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LuckyLefty

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Flare decreasing weigtholes
« on: September 05, 2006, 11:13:55 PM »
I note that Brunswick claims that the holes placed closer to the grip center by 2 1/4 inches from PAP along pin to pap line are to give more length???

Do you use them?  Do you find they give more length????


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Re: Flare decreasing weigtholes
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2006, 07:28:55 AM »
I had a TPC Shooter with such a hole, and it really tamed down the hook and back end on this ball for dry back ends. I think it is both the slight reduction in top and side weight that helps in this case. I think it is not more length, just an overall reaction reduction.
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LuckyLefty

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Re: Flare decreasing weigtholes
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2006, 07:32:35 AM »
Well I agree with you....this is my experience too....earlier with a very smooth reaction.

I took the information about longer from their drill sheet for the Absolute inferno.

Anyone else see reaction Brunswick describes....longer and milder from this weighthole?

By the way....I hope you realize you are posting in a Brunswick forum....you just stated that ending cg...do .....madeh.......

ooops!

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Re: Flare decreasing weigtholes
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2006, 07:44:36 AM »
IMHO, CG maddas... unless it is overridden by high MB.

As far as I know, the x-holes Brunswick recommends are rather for fine-tuning once the ball is already set up.
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LuckyLefty

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Re: Flare decreasing weigtholes
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2006, 08:47:59 AM »
Well Rick...

I have a condition of wet heads....bone dry midlanes for 25 feet and then carrydown.  40 foot original laydown at 6:00 am followed by a 16 foot preleague short run in the heads.

Does it make sense to drill an absolute(which looks good in this house) 4L (3/4 ounce sideweight) and if not enough backend(in the carrydown) or too much apply the reaction increasing or decreasing weighthole?  If increasing I guess ball is then a 3L?

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Re: Flare decreasing weigtholes
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2006, 08:50:55 AM »
I was at a supplier trade show this summer and Brunswick had Mika demonsrtating their new line. They had a Radidcal Inferno with four weight holes drilled 1" x 3" deep at the 4 positions in their drill sheet. flare decrease 2 1/4 toward grip from axis, flare increase 2 1/4 away from grip, bowtie raising flare increasing on VAL below PAP 2 1/4, and flare decrease bowtie lowering on VAL above PAP 2 1/4.  They then had removeable plugs made that they could take in and out of the ball. Mika threw the ball with all the plugs in, and then they removed one at a time and actually showed you the oil rings on the ball and you could see a very dramatic difference when each of the weight holes were used.  Ball reaction was also quite different with each. Mika also stood and threw the same line with each shot, which was cool because the decreasing flare left a washout, and the flare increase climbed high enough to leave the 3 6 10. Mika also explained the changes in his thick accent and why he liked or disliked each ball reaction. On patterns that are too jumpy in the back, he actually likes the flare increase, bowtie raise drill and weight hole because the ball will over flare and his bowtie migrates enough to flare over his early oil rings from the heads and actully tames the backend from catching these oil rings....This guy does repeat shots and can put some stuff on the ball when he wants.  Pretty cool demo.  They also went to the detail of making the remveable plugs so the densities and weights did not change the original balls dynamics when they were back in the ball.

        If you ever get a chance to go to a Brunswick demo don't miss it, Al

LuckyLefty

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Re: Flare decreasing weigtholes
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2006, 08:58:16 AM »
great read...and sounds like a really neat demo.

As to my condition I posted....note...I said jumpy midlanes...sloppy back.

Any thoughts on that?  

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LuckyLefty

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Re: Flare decreasing weigtholes
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2006, 11:22:06 AM »
Thanks....Bruns!

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Re: Flare decreasing weigtholes
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2006, 01:56:41 PM »
I use flare reducing weight holes when the ball flares too much and rolls out.  In this case, it actually make the reaction stronger on what I consider medium oil lanes.  Now if they were heavily oiled, the ball without the hole would be stronger.  Mo Pinel actually suggests adding a weight hole BEFORE making a coverstock adjustment to get the reaction you want.  It's all about fine-tuning the ball to get the right reaction on the conditions you're use to.
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