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ImBackInTheGame

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What exactly is the Chemical Friction Technology coverstock?
« on: March 05, 2010, 01:35:57 AM »
As the title states, what is it?  A pearl, a hybrid, solid?  I'm not only still relatively new to bowling, but I have no clue about the Big B product.  I won a C-(System) 3.5 in a raffle and I tried to do some reasearch about it, but couldn't find anything on this.  The cover "looks" like it might be a pearl.  Also where should it "fit" in my arsenal (see sig)?
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Re: What exactly is the Chemical Friction Technology coverstock?
« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2010, 05:56:22 PM »
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It always sounded like the definition of resin enhanced urethane to me.  The original resin balls got more friction from the resin ( a chemical ) than from the abrasive nature of the urethane.  

Also, I guess the 3.5 may be okay, but I have never seen anyone, including several B staffers look good with the 2.5 in their hands.


Bob,

I am suprised at your response. I believe you have just not looked hard enough.
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Doug Sterner

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Re: What exactly is the Chemical Friction Technology coverstock?
« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2010, 08:21:10 PM »
I see where you are coming from charlest....and I agree that something has to be wrong since Bob has never seen a good looking 2.5.

My guess would be pro shops over drilling the ball to do more than is necessary.
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Re: What exactly is the Chemical Friction Technology coverstock?
« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2010, 09:51:39 PM »
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I wonder how much different the chemical friction technology is from the Hammer white sharp-edge coverstock material.  Don't both just have to do with changing the make-up of the reactive coverstock?


Ask Carmen Salvino. Don't assume.
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Re: What exactly is the Chemical Friction Technology coverstock?
« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2010, 09:38:25 PM »
Well, whatever CFT is, I love it!

692 first night out of the box tonight!  This is a personal best series for me.

Thank you Brunswick, and Sir Bowl-a-lot since he ran the raffle I won this ball in!
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charlest

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Re: What exactly is the Chemical Friction Technology coverstock?
« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2010, 10:37:16 PM »
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I wonder how much different the chemical friction technology is from the Hammer white sharp-edge coverstock material.  Don't both just have to do with changing the make-up of the reactive coverstock?


Ask Carmen Salvino. Don't assume.
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Why the attitude?  I never said anything bad about either ball.


Sorry if you saw attitude in that reply. I like my 2.5. I just can't find enough oil locally to use it properly. I don't what "chemical" means in this case. I doubt that anyone else outside of Mr. Salvino or the Brunswick chemistsdo either. I was simply referring you to the source. That's where the answer MUST come from.


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Re: What exactly is the Chemical Friction Technology coverstock?
« Reply #21 on: March 11, 2010, 10:40:50 PM »
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I see where you are coming from charlest....and I agree that something has to be wrong since Bob has never seen a good looking 2.5.

My guess would be pro shops over drilling the ball to do more than is necessary.
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Doug,

when I saw the first posts about this ball (the 2.5), I noted that eveyr success had drilled it with the pin at or below the bridge area. So that's where I put mine. Given the VERY STRONG backend on it and its oil-loving cousin, the 3.5, I decided to even kick the MB out a littl emore than I normally do. I was right, for me and my delivery. When I see enough oil, I get plenty of backend, almost more than I can handle, even with a drilling that normally provides a lot of roll, for me.

For me, this ball, the 2.5, needs true medium oil, at a minimum, to perform.

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Re: What exactly is the Chemical Friction Technology coverstock?
« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2010, 02:58:35 PM »
not sure how really different these coverstocks are or if they are just a marketing ploy...

anyway.. does anyone have any reports how these balls are with cover death or diminished hook-ability after use??  How are the C-systems holding up.

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charlest

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Re: What exactly is the Chemical Friction Technology coverstock?
« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2010, 03:16:21 PM »
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"For me, this ball, the 2.5, needs true medium oil, at a minimum, to perform."


What a revelation.  Is there anywhere in the lit on the 2.5 that said it''s for light oil?  What next, the sun is made of helium and is really hot?


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Re: What exactly is the Chemical Friction Technology coverstock?
« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2010, 03:21:50 PM »

There is no marketing ploy. The 3.5 has more of the "chemical friction additive", for lack of better explanation. Exact percentage is Brunswick's formula to reveal (or not).

My 2.5 has tons of games on it without any loss of reaction that I can see. Mine is great with a little polish because I can use it more often.

The 3.5 doesn't have nearly the use, but I suspect it will remain true to Brunswick's reputation of durability.

The 2 C-System balls are quite different. Anyone who owns them both should be able to confirm that. They are VERY responsive to surface changes, too.

 


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Re: What exactly is the Chemical Friction Technology coverstock?
« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2010, 06:11:06 PM »
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As the title states, what is it?  A pearl, a hybrid, solid?  I'm not only still relatively new to bowling, but I have no clue about the Big B product.  I won a C-(System) 3.5 in a raffle and I tried to do some reasearch about it, but couldn't find anything on this.  The cover "looks" like it might be a pearl.  Also where should it "fit" in my arsenal (see sig)?
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Roto-Grip Cell Pearl (500/4000 abralon)
Lane #1 Chainsaw (2000 + Secret Sauce)
Roto-Grip Cell (2000 abralon)
Brunswick C-System 3.5 (NIB)



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Doug Sterner

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Re: What exactly is the Chemical Friction Technology coverstock?
« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2010, 09:44:49 PM »
I seem to remember the Brunswick guys saying at the C-System 2.5 seminar that the 2.5 stands for the percentage of the additive in the coverstock.

This would make sense since the 3.5 is significantly stronger than the 2.5.

Anyone else who attended the seminar hear that? Or am I dreaming??
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Re: What exactly is the Chemical Friction Technology coverstock?
« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2010, 11:20:13 PM »
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I seem to remember the Brunswick guys saying at the C-System 2.5 seminar that the 2.5 stands for the percentage of the additive in the coverstock.

This would make sense since the 3.5 is significantly stronger than the 2.5.

Anyone else who attended the seminar hear that? Or am I dreaming??
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So how does this additive effect the coverstock..?? is it like plasticizer that is used in the creation of porous coverstocks or is it something else..


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Re: What exactly is the Chemical Friction Technology coverstock?
« Reply #28 on: March 13, 2010, 07:56:16 AM »
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 What next, the sun is made of helium and is really hot?


Elements in the Sun

Element----------------------% of total atoms-----------------% of total mass
Hydrogen--------------------------91.2-------------------------------71.0
Helium-----------------------------8.7-------------------------------27.1
Oxygen-----------------------------0.078------------------------------0.97
Carbon-----------------------------0.043------------------------------0.40
Nitrogen---------------------------0.0088-----------------------------0.096
Silicon----------------------------0.0045-----------------------------0.099
Magnesium--------------------------0.0038-----------------------------0.076
Neon-------------------------------0.0035-----------------------------0.058
Iron-------------------------------0.030------------------------------0.014
Sulfur-----------------------------0.015------------------------------0.040

 Although you are correct in your ASSUMPTION that the sun is hot, you obviously don't know the whole story. It is composed of thousands of elements, with these being the most abundant 10. Helium IS there, but it is only a secondary element as HYDROGEN is the main component of the sun.

 Now, if you know as much about CFT as you do the sun, we are in trouble.

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Re: What exactly is the Chemical Friction Technology coverstock?
« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2010, 01:22:44 PM »
I cannot say for sure J_W....it would seem to me that the additive is what enhances the ball reaction. Now with that said the 3.5 is stronger on the backend than the 2.5 so I would say that the additive acts like a slip agent to preserve as much energy as possible for the backend. HOWEVER the 3.5 is also stronger in the midlane which  contradicts my previous statement.

So....just what is the additive? I do recall them saying that the additive is a liquid and the annotation of the ball (2.5 and 3.5) results from the amount of the additive added to the base resin. It would seem to me that it could be a chemical that changes the orientation of the molecules within the coverstock material. This would make sense, but then again as has been said, only Carmen Salvino knows for sure.
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