Author Topic: If Brunswick moves to Mexico.... (Read 7949 times)

Rantings · « **on:** June 17, 2005, 01:40:45 AM »

are you going to continue buying brunswick equipment?

I say No.

We are loosing more and more companies to this so-called free trade agreements. If you really looked at it, only the US is free trade. China and other countries still demand tariffs as this country ought. Read the constitution.

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Bjaardker · « **Reply #16 on:** June 17, 2005, 12:19:30 PM »

No, I will not continue to buy Brunswick, or any part of Brunswick. Whether it be their Hammer Strength weight machines, their marine division, or their bowling balls.

People always say "you wont make a difference". That's the exact same train of thought that has led America into the outsourcing/trade deficit situation we're in today.

There was a small group of people here 200 years ago. If they had said "just a few of us can't make a difference" we would still be singing "God Save the Queen" today.

Like I said in a previous thread, I don't care if Brunswick does or doesn't care about my business, that's not why I'm doing it. I do it to know that when my head hits the pillow at the end of the day, I've done everything I could to make sure we stay one of the greatest nations & keep my neighbors and myself for that matter employed.

TheDude · « **Reply #17 on:** June 17, 2005, 12:22:38 PM »

Plant Quality Awards
The quality story doesn't end there this year for 'the General', since GM manufacturing units took all three medals awarded for 'North/South America plant quality'. Canadian workers can be rightfully proud that the Oshawa #2 and Oshawa #1 plants - where several of the cars mentioned above are built - received the coveted Gold and Silver Plant Quality Awards, ___ while the Bronze went to the Hamtramck, Michigan facility. ___

Still, the Platinum Award for worldwide plant quality went to Toyota's Tahara, Japan facility, for a fourth consecutive year. Toyota's Higashi-Fuji plant and Nissan's Tochigi factory, both in Japan, took the Silver and Bronze awards for the Asia Pacific region.

The Jaguar plant, in Halewood, U.K. (part of Ford's Premier Auto Group), earned the Gold Plant Quality Award for Europe, while BMW's Regensburg, Germany plant took the Silver medal. The Bronze was shared by BMW's Munich plant, and Porsche's original venue, in Zuffenhausen, near Stuttgart.

only 1 plant in america took a jd power award. so tell me why the worldwide gold medal winner is in japan and they are not unionized.

taken from http://en.autos.sympatico.msn.ca/advice/windowshop.aspx?contentid=4022690&src=home&pos=Edit1

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a_ak57 · « **Reply #18 on:** June 17, 2005, 12:56:26 PM »

Bjaardker, I really hate to break it to you, but you're fooling yourself if you think you're doing CRAP to help anyone. You aren't "helping", just not buying brunswick. Is you boycotting them going to bring back the jobs? NO. Get that through your head. I know you're trying to be majestic and noble and trying to "help", but you really aren't doing anything to help the people. If you went and asked the people who are going to lose your jobs "Hey, have I helped you by stop buying stuff?" They'd say "No, that's not giving me a job back now is it?"

Sorry to burst your bubble but your thought of "Helping out the country" is a bunch of crap. If you ACTUALLY want to help, you know actually get off your butt and do something REAL, get a petition going. If you get enough people to back you up, then maybe you can force Brunswick to do something. Think about it, you aren't doing anything by doing nothing (aka not buying their stuff).....

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Like I said in a previous thread, I don't care if Brunswick does or doesn't care about my business, that's not why I'm doing it. I do it to know that when my head hits the pillow at the end of the day, I've done everything I could to make sure we stay one of the greatest nations & keep my neighbors and myself for that matter employed.

Like I said, I honestly don't know how the hell you think you're doing ANYTHING to "keep your neighbors employed". Please, explain that to me. I'm not being rude, I just honestly can't find ANY train of thought that would explain how not buying something, somehow gives people their jobs back??

Oh, BTW. Don't think I'm anti-boycott, because I'm not. I only just oppose it for only odd reasons like thinking it will help out people being employed. You can bet that if the quality of their products drops, or if something similar happens again (not just a one time occurence), then I'll be buying other stuff. But right now, if you truly want to feel like you're doing something, we need to find some way to help out those who will be leaving their jobs. Maybe we can start a petition to get brunswick to compensate for them or something. Afterall, with all the 5-7 million bucks their saving, they could surely help out 117 people or whatever the number is.

As you can see, even with my hostility towards you (which I'm sorry if I offended you), I'm a believer in trying to create positive solutions to benefit everyone, not negative ones.
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a_ak57 · « **Reply #19 on:** June 17, 2005, 01:22:26 PM »

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if someone wants to "boycott" a certian product for any reason, then they have the right to do that, regardless if someone else thinks it serves so purpose.
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Glad to see you don't know how to read. My post wasn't saying he shouldn't boycott them, I was telling him that doing so wouldn't help the people get their jobs back (which is why he said he would do it). If you learned how to read, you'd have noticed I said I'm not anti-boycott, just only if it's for weak reasons...Hell, I even said I'd do it if the quality drops, or if this kind of thing happens again....

Read before you put words into someone's mouth. Nobody here is supporting the move, it's just different degrees of "how much do you hate it" and "what will you do about it"....
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DanH78 · « **Reply #20 on:** June 17, 2005, 01:30:13 PM »

If enough people stood behind a boycott so that Brunswick could see it, then the plant would not move and people would not lose their jobs. Why should they not consider moving when so many people just here on this site have said they don't care where production moves as long as quality remains high. Once the plant moves, it's not coming back, so now is the time to tell Brunswick. If their aim is to lower costs, they are NOT going to compensate the workers they are putting out of work. If they did, they wouldn't be lowering costs. If everyone that had the attitude of "I'm only one person and can't make a difference" stood together, they would see they are not One person, but simply a part of the Whole that can make a difference.

Boycotting a company because you do not agree with their business practices is not a "weak reason", regardless of whether you help someone.

on edit: If you feel displeasure towards this move, email the Corporate HQ in Lake Forest, IL

services@brunswick.com

Will it help? Maybe not, but it's worth a try
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Walking E · « **Reply #21 on:** June 17, 2005, 01:42:35 PM »

I'm not going to boycott them for the sake of boycotting them, but I will be a little skeptical of the quality until I hear otherwise. If I hear good reports then I'll consider buying more Brunswick. Unfortunately for Brunswick, those of us who follow bowling closely know about the disaster that happened to Linds products after they moved production to Mexico, and we would be rightfully skeptical of the build quality at first.

I mean, it would be great if this resulted in the price of an Inferno or Zone ball dropping 20-30 bucks or so, but we all know that this isn't going to happen.
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Leftyhi-trak · « **Reply #22 on:** June 17, 2005, 02:51:47 PM »

I too have a tough time swallowing company movement. Having been up and down the scale and having done business worldwide I firmly understand its place in corporate economy. Having also studied much history "Empires" both socially and in business, have declined when they spread themselves to thin. If we keep sending work out to other countries who will be making a salary here to pay for the products? You will see greater separation of social classes. The US and its inhabitants tend to have a special chracteristic that is worldwide but is at its best here. We like "stuff", we buy boatloads of it all the time. "Stuff" by my definition is a want and not a need. Everyone likes products which are cheaper so this diminishes margin. When you have the option to put in a new facility where cost is signifigantly less its a no brainer as its much easier to meet corporate goals. The company I work for has plants in Europe and Korea as our market has grown and we needed expansion to meet foreign demand which is growing leaps and bounds especially China.

For all of you people who would boycott. What bowling shoes do you wear?

Linds Implex-China when it was sold by Greg Lind
ABS- China
Dexter - Recently China

Etonic- not totally sure, I think USA.

I always looked at the bowling ball industry as a smart business as they have never really had foreign intrusion into its production but maybe now the door may open. I will buy anything from anywhere but I'm also not short sighted, seeing american business whaning.

tburky · « **Reply #23 on:** June 17, 2005, 05:27:20 PM »

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Well who's fault is it for sighning one sided free trade agreements with other countries, and you can"t blame corprate America for wanting to leave with the high tax rates, and the high salaries. Why is the general motors car corporation in such defict because the average salary is about 25$ per hour, and 1000$ per car sold has to be put away into the pension fund, so as a director of a business were would you rather put your factory some place were you can pay minimun wage and someplace were your business can cut some corners but still turn a profit, or a place were you are going to show a loss 3 out of every 5 years. Do the math it is just simple business. For the people who boycott a product because a company moved there plant mexico, wake up smell the Columbian coffee, Put on your levis or Tommy jean(witch are made in thailand) get into your import car(Toyota honda mazda kia nissan ect.) and go about your day because saying lets boycott because a company decides it wants to survive in a global economy is a joke........
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Don't know where you get your information on $1000 per car. Pension is figured so much on the hour for a 40 hour work week. For example $2.00 per hour into the pension fund figures to be $320 for 160 hour month. Also, note that the automakers pension fund is way under funded. The federal government (PBGC) that controls pensions should have froze and terminate the pension plan instead of it going millions and millions of dollars in debt. Also, sometimes corporations should step in and say no we cannot afford it anymore. I can go on and on but I won't.

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tburky · « **Reply #24 on:** June 17, 2005, 10:48:36 PM »

Look back in the history books and see what American manufacturing has done for this country and look how little of it we have left in the U.S. It is in Mexico, China, Korea, etc.

DP3 · « **Reply #25 on:** June 20, 2005, 12:00:43 AM »

You guys know when that super duper angle monster comes out you're gonna get it whether it's made in Mexico or not.
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stanski · « **Reply #26 on:** June 20, 2005, 12:08:40 AM »

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Well who's fault is it for sighning one sided free trade agreements with other countries, and you can"t blame corprate America for wanting to leave with the high tax rates, and the high salaries. Why is the general motors car corporation in such defict because the average salary is about 25$ per hour, and 1000$ per car sold has to be put away into the pension fund, so as a director of a business were would you rather put your factory some place were you can pay minimun wage and someplace were your business can cut some corners but still turn a profit, or a place were you are going to show a loss 3 out of every 5 years. Do the math it is just simple business. For the people who boycott a product because a company moved there plant mexico, wake up smell the Columbian coffee, Put on your levis or Tommy jean(witch are made in thailand) get into your import car(Toyota honda mazda kia nissan ect.) and go about your day because saying lets boycott because a company decides it wants to survive in a global economy is a joke........
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I've got two surface choices: Green Scotch Brite Or 2000 Grit Polish.Choose your death grasshopper.

And you do know that the major expenditures (The only thing that can make a dent in earnings) in most auto plants are the costs to run the machinery? My father worked for an auto plant making glass, and the cost to run the furnaces was rediculously large compared to the salaries of its workers. The plant moved down to mexico and all its workers were either transferred or got an optional retirement with full benifits and a bonus (my father took the latter).

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Hammer3003 · « **Reply #27 on:** June 20, 2005, 12:40:15 AM »

You have that right! answer me this do you or would you use LINDS products?
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taylorj99 · « **Reply #28 on:** June 20, 2005, 04:42:54 AM »

I don't know, Infierno Ultimo and Infierno Absoluto sound pretty sweet.

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