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what the?
« on: February 07, 2008, 05:29:56 AM »
in the past 2 days i have drilled a red zone and a strike zone up for customers both balls new in the box and in both balls i found a red plastic drinking straw in the ball going into the weight block one in the area of the mass bias the other just there. I called the 800 number at the brunswick place to ask about this but got the runaround and ended up getting transferred 5 times and finally left a message. My question is why in the hell are there drinking straws in the bowling balls? I know mexican labor is cheaper but thats ridiculous whats next tomatoes in place of a weight block. has any one else seen or heard of this? this is the main reason why i try to defer customers from buying these balls

 

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Re: what the?
« Reply #31 on: February 16, 2008, 06:14:21 PM »
We were digging a hole in the yard of this house one day an we found a dead cow buried.....Kinda the same thing
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Re: what the?
« Reply #32 on: February 16, 2008, 06:15:15 PM »
Honestly, all companies have their flaws.. right? Now before anyone tries to throw a taco at me or something, all I'm trying to say is that this 'Brunswick going to Mexico' thing is just getting old. Next topic...

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Re: what the?
« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2008, 12:41:28 AM »
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How would you feel if someone came to your place of employment and browbeat you the way some of you browbeat the Brunswick boys.
It's about time they get a taste of their own medicine..!!

jfpops, you've got it correct, the bib B boys can't handle the truth. When the truth comes out, as you can see, they go and hide..!! =:^D

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Re: what the?
« Reply #34 on: February 17, 2008, 06:50:29 AM »
Why can't we just let this go? Do you blame the Brunswick guys for not coming in here and trying to explain this. Every time they try to explain something they get beat to death on it. I actually applaud them for not coming in here. Jls you would be the first to attack them and to say that they are not telling the truth. Maybe some close minded people will follow you and not buy Brunswick so be it. They must be releasing some darn good balls because of all the new balls drilled in my area that I have seen the Twisted and the Cell are the only two I have seen with the Twisted by far blowing the Cell away. Let's all just drop this and get over it. Gee I wonder why you guys have not been jumping over the cracked Cell's and Storm balls that are cracking. Oh I know why cause it's not Brunswick.  Brunswick seems to the company to beat down right now.
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Re: what the?
« Reply #35 on: February 17, 2008, 10:07:38 AM »
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How would you feel if someone came to your place of employment and browbeat you the way some of you browbeat the Brunswick boys.
It's about time they get a taste of their own medicine..!!

jfpops, you've got it correct, the bib B boys can't handle the truth. When the truth comes out, as you can see, they go and hide..!! =:^D




T-God,  Some [people just don't like it when a small pro shop sticks up for themselves.  However if the wan a bees, took  the time to actually read our post,  they would see that we never knock Brunswick's product.  In fact, spoke highly of it.  It's their way of doing business that sucks.  To pretend that all dist. were crying,  well i do not believe that.  Our dist wasn't.  I believe it was the 6 or 7 dist. that are known to sell to online dealers, that were the ones crying.  Because they over bought the Fury, and their online dealers were not selling them.  So that it what I believe was the reason for the sudden price drop of the Fury.  Before a new model was due out.

And now 4 months later,  there still is no new oil ball in the Fury line.
The good people at Ebonite gave pro shops plenty of notice that a new Complete NV was coming out in late Jan.  That gave pro shops time to adjust their stock of the NVS.  And that is why, when the NVS was reduced in price a week or so ago,  that most pro shops were not upset.  We knew it was due to be dropped from the line. And we had time to adjust our stock.  Thanks Mr Reid of Ebonite.

Brunswick likes to talk the talk,  but they don't walk the walk.  They just get their wan a bees to come on, once a week and attack.

If as Mr Verb said,  that a straw like material is used,  then why didn't someone from the Bg B. just come on and say so, case closed.  No,  they asked Abrown not to post any pic's.  Why???  Do they have something to hide.  Kinda like when they seem to have forgotten to put "made in Mexico" on thier balls.
I believe that is a law????  NOw after some other companies may have complained, the big B.  now is putting  a cute little sticker on the balls, saying "made in Mexico"  Makes one wonder why this was not engraved on their balls in the first place.  Maybe when they moved to Mexico, they forget the engraving machine??? Or maybe no one in Mexico knows how to spell, "made in Mexico"  IN ENGLISH???

All the other major ball companies have their balls engraved.  All the Ebonite
family of balls clearly say, Made in the USA"  <<< proudly,   And the white dots clearly say, "made in China".  I guess ebonite is not ashammed to say where their balls are made.  Is Brunswick????  Or did they just simply forget to do this.  Ya right!!!!!

Now I wonder,  Do we have to wait another week before this lowlife cool person comes on to attack jls.  

And we will probably find out who shot JFK and JR.  before we find out the truth about the straw!!!!

And I wonder,  if the boys at the Big B.  are please that cool person brought this thread back to life,  after it was silent for a week, and was almost off the first page!!!!  Nice going cool person!!!!


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Re: what the?
« Reply #36 on: February 17, 2008, 10:11:51 AM »
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How would you feel if someone came to your place of employment and browbeat you the way some of you browbeat the Brunswick boys.
It's about time they get a taste of their own medicine..!!

jfpops, you've got it correct, the bib B boys can't handle the truth. When the truth comes out, as you can see, they go and hide..!! =:^D




T-God,  Some [people just don't like it when a small pro shop sticks up for themselves.  However if the wan a bees, took  the time to actually read our post,  they would see that we never knock Brunswick's product.  In fact, spoke highly of it.  It's their way of doing business that sucks.  To pretend that all dist. were crying,  well i do not believe that.  Our dist wasn't.  I believe it was the 6 or 7 dist. that are known to sell to online dealers, that were the ones crying.  Because they over bought the Fury, and their online dealers were not selling them.  So that it what I believe was the reason for the sudden price drop of the Fury.  Before a new model was due out.

And now 4 months later,  there still is no new oil ball in the Fury line.
The good people at Ebonite gave pro shops plenty of notice that a new Complete NV was coming out in late Jan.  That gave pro shops time to adjust their stock of the NVS.  And that is why, when the NVS was reduced in price a week or so ago,  that most pro shops were not upset.  We knew it was due to be dropped from the line. And we had time to adjust our stock.  Thanks Mr Reid of Ebonite.

Brunswick likes to talk the talk,  but they don't walk the walk.  They just get their wan a bees to come on, once a week and attack.

If as Mr Verb said,  that a straw like material is used,  then why didn't someone from the Bg B. just come on and say so, case closed.  No,  they asked Abrown not to post any pic's.  Why???  Do they have something to hide.  Kinda like when they seem to have forgotten to put "made in Mexico" on thier balls.
I believe that is a law????  NOw after some other companies may have complained, the big B.  now is putting  a cute little sticker on the balls, saying "made in Mexico"  Makes one wonder why this was not engraved on their balls in the first place.  Maybe when they moved to Mexico, they forget the engraving machine??? Or maybe no one in Mexico knows how to spell, "made in Mexico"  IN ENGLISH???

All the other major ball companies have their balls engraved.  All the Ebonite
family of balls clearly say, Made in the USA"  <<< proudly,   And the white dots clearly say, "made in China".  I guess ebonite is not ashammed to say where their balls are made.  Is Brunswick????  Or did they just simply forget to do this.  Ya right!!!!!

Now I wonder,  Do we have to wait another week before this lowlife cool person comes on to attack jls.  

And we will probably find out who shot JFK and JR.  before we find out the truth about the straw!!!!

And I wonder,  if the boys at the Big B.  are please that cool person brought this thread back to life,  after it was silent for a week, and was almost off the first page!!!!  Nice going cool person!!!!




jls, I mean... jfpops, sorry to interupt this thread, but i'm sad to say, you're not good at hiding your identity. LOL.
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Re: what the?
« Reply #37 on: February 17, 2008, 10:22:20 AM »
jls, I mean... jfpops, sorry to interupt this thread, but i'm sad to say, you're not good at hiding your identity. LOL.
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Fasttrack, no one is trying to.
I guess you never heard of a shop with more then one person working there.
Well thats just too bad,  If I also want to post I will,  If you or that lowlife cool person don't like it,  Please hit ignore.



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Re: what the?
« Reply #38 on: February 17, 2008, 10:25:25 AM »
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jls, I mean... jfpops, sorry to interupt this thread, but i'm sad to say, you're not good at hiding your identity. LOL.
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Fast
I guess you never heard of a shop with more then one person working there.
Well thats just too bad,  If I want to post I will,  If you or that lowlife cool person don't like it,  Please hit ignore.[/quote]

It think it's more lowlife to use ignore, if anything. I only use ignore if I get personally attacked, because really, I don't need that. I was just simply stating you sound a lot like jls. Lol. But sorry.. Continue on with the red straw thread.. Lol..
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Re: what the?
« Reply #39 on: February 17, 2008, 10:33:52 AM »
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jls, I mean... jfpops, sorry to interupt this thread, but i'm sad to say, you're not good at hiding your identity. LOL.
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Fast
I guess you never heard of a shop with more then one person working there.
Well thats just too bad,  If I want to post I will,  If you or that lowlife cool person don't like it,  Please hit ignore.


It think it's more lowlife to use ignore, if anything. I only use ignore if I get personally attacked, because really, I don't need that. I was just simply stating you sound a lot like jls. Lol. But sorry.. Continue on with the red straw thread.. Lol..
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Fast,  I will go over this one more time,  the boys at the big B know this allready from many im's back and forth.

JLS owns the shop,  jfpops is the screen name I started using back in Nov. when I first came on BR.

I work their,  and JLS is my Dad.  And so yes,  since we work together and face the same problems.  We do have the same opinion on many subjects.

And I did not like it when this lowlife cool person attack JLS on the 9th,  because Abrown posted about a straw.  And then after a week on hiding in his hole,  he came out and stared attack again on the 16th.  And I fired back.

JlS probably won't see any of this till monday, when he goes into the shop.
And just like last week,  I doubt he will respond.  He doesn't want anyone to think that he does not love taco's.  oops

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Re: what the?
« Reply #40 on: February 17, 2008, 11:08:51 AM »
Jfpops the reason I said what I said about JLS is he has been knowen to atack Brunswick lately. My question is this. How are Brunswick balls reacting? From what I have seen they are just as good if not better then before the move. So whatever this maybe that the original topic was all about must not be hurting the ball at all. I am just tired of all the ripping on Brunswick because they have problems with their equipment. As I stated in before not a whole lot of ripping on Storm and Roto Grip for their equipment cracking or having problems. As soon as people started reporting that their Twisted's were cracking it was jump all over Brunswick, why is this going on blah blah blah. Balls crack from ALL companies. ALL companies have problems why is it so hard to learn that and get over it?
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Re: what the?
« Reply #41 on: February 17, 2008, 12:30:22 PM »
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Jfpops the reason I said what I said about JLS is he has been knowen to atack Brunswick lately. My question is this. How are Brunswick balls reacting? From what I have seen they are just as good if not better then before the move. So whatever this maybe that the original topic was all about must not be hurting the ball at all. I am just tired of all the ripping on Brunswick because they have problems with their equipment. As I stated in before not a whole lot of ripping on Storm and Roto Grip for their equipment cracking or having problems. As soon as people started reporting that their Twisted's were cracking it was jump all over Brunswick, why is this going on blah blah blah. Balls crack from ALL companies. ALL companies have problems why is it so hard to learn that and get over it?
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Sdbowler,  You hit it right on the head,  We think their product is good.
JlS posted that he thought the Fury was a great ball, when put in the hands of the right bowler, for the right shot.  And he was sorry to see it go.  And last week we got in their new line of balls.  And we expect them to do well.

We have both said over and over, that we have not knocked the Big B's equipment.
We as small pro shops are not happy with the way they do business.  They know, and we know and now everyone should know that the real reason for the sudden closeout was more then likely brought on by 6-7 dist, who mainly sell to online dealers, being overstocked on the Fury.  Because they bought too many and they probably did not see the online sales on that model, they thought they would.  And so they cried to the big B, that the Fury "had slowed down in sales to a crawl"  BS.

And because JLS called them on this,   the Big B. Geek squad of wan a bees attacked.  

Most ball companies plan their closeout models to go along with the intro of a new model.  Hello cool jerk,  it's  been 4 months, and no new model!!!!

The good people at Ebonite let pro shops know that a new Complete NV was coming out,  and by telling the shops, the specs of the new ball,  most shops had no problem figuring out that the new ball will be a replacement to the NVS.
This is not rocket science!!!  And most shops had more then enough time to adjust their inventories.  And that is why, when the NVS was closeout and now is online for $119.  Most shops are not upset,  because they have probably sold out of the old NVS by now.  Thanks Mr Reid of Ebonite!!!

Unlike the Fury deal.  We checked with 3 different dist. at that time, and now of them had the Fury for $99.  they ranged from $112 - $126.  And most give us the impression that they were not having problems moving the ball.  Because if they did,  Why would they still be at $112 - $126 when everyone in the world knows that the ball is online for $99?

Thats why we feel that it was just a select few dist.  that Cried to the big B,
that the Fury had "slowed down in sales to a crawl"   because they probably bought too many!!!!  So at a time when the Twisted had added new life to the Fury line,  the big B, caved in and closed out a ball that they probably could have sold at regular price during the PEAK SEASON OF NOV - JAN.  Which anyone with a brain knows is a big ball selling period!!!!!!!


So to again answer your question Sdbowler,  We think the BIG B line of balls are good,  and I know for a fact that JLS never ever bashed Brunswick for their
move to Mexico.  Go back and research threads from a year or so ago,  when the move first happened.  Many many bashed the Big B.  But JLS never did.

JLS just did not like the poor timing of closing out the Fury.  It came at a time when real pro shops are stocking up for Christmas sales.  Real pro shops don't wait till dec 23rd to stock up.  And many shops may have brought in a case or two of Fury's for Christmas,  only to find out a few days later that they are now being footballed online for $99.  Ya, real class Brunswick.
Lucky for us that we were sold out of the Fury, and were just about to place an order the next day for some, when we found out about the closeout.
So JLS just cut the from his order and sold a few more Resurgence's.  

And then some Big B people offer JLS some info on where he could buy some from some dist. at the closeout price of $99.  Hello is anyone home.  By that time, every online dealer in the world had them for $99 with free shipping. So why would jls need to buy them at $99 from any dist??

now one person from ther Big b did address that, and told JLS he could put him in touch with a dist, that would sell him the balls at a lower price.  Thanks, but he turned that down.  Why,  Because he felt that the dist. in question was more then likely one of the 6-7 that supply online dealers.  And he choose to deal with dist. that sell to pro shops at a fair price.

Btw,  did I mention that in Jan of 08,  Hammer and Columbia out sold the big B 8-1 in our shop, and Ebonite out sold them, 7-1.  Thanks Mr Reid of Ebonite.

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Re: what the?
« Reply #42 on: February 17, 2008, 01:14:13 PM »
T-Zone's aren't supposed to have pins on the surface, there's no point.

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Re: what the?
« Reply #43 on: February 17, 2008, 01:30:06 PM »
What happened to the pictures that were to be posted?
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Re: what the?
« Reply #44 on: February 17, 2008, 02:43:49 PM »
This really is no joke, drilled a vapor and a redzone that had this thing in it.  As described it litterally looked like a slurpee straw, flat on the end just like the 7-11 dealies.  I always wondered wtf it was, I will have to see if we still have it at the shop i could post some picts.  I really don't know what it is, but the ball seemed fine so who cares?  I used the redzone for 1.5 seasons no issues.  Vapor hasn't come back so I'll assume the same.

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Re: what the?
« Reply #45 on: February 17, 2008, 05:52:27 PM »
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This really is no joke, drilled a vapor and a redzone that had this thing in it.  As described it litterally looked like a slurpee straw, flat on the end just like the 7-11 dealies.  I always wondered wtf it was, I will have to see if we still have it at the shop i could post some picts.  I really don't know what it is, but the ball seemed fine so who cares?  I used the redzone for 1.5 seasons no issues.  Vapor hasn't come back so I'll assume the same.



So it appears that Mr Verb was right.  And a straw like material is used.  It sounds like the same shape as Abrown posted.  It would have been nice if someone from the big b would have posted what Mr Verb posted.
But at least it appears to be clear now, that there is nothing wrong with Big B's quality control.

As for their closing out the Fury,  as someone posted,  that is a dead horse.
And hopefully the next time someone post something negative about the Big B,  cool person won't feel the need to attack again.  As anyone can plainly see by reviewing this entire thread,  it was cool person who fired the first shot.

Because it was cool person who brought back the dead horse issue, of the Fury closeouts.  That issue had nothing to do with the thread Abrown posted.
but cool person felt the need to once again attack, and when someone fires back, well he does not like that!!!

Too bad

And once more,  for all the wan a bees who can not read.  Our shop did not have one single defective Brunswick bowling ball in all of 2007.
So I don't know what more one can say about their quality.
Seems pretty good to me!!!
Maybe they will work on that pricing issue.

Have a great day

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