Post by: abrown on February 07, 2008, 05:29:56 AM
Post by: dpunky on February 07, 2008, 01:31:13 PM
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Post by: abrown on February 07, 2008, 01:33:07 PM
Post by: northface28 on February 07, 2008, 01:34:07 PM
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Post by: raiderh20boy on February 07, 2008, 01:45:56 PM
Post by: Verbs on February 07, 2008, 05:36:00 PM
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in the past 2 days i have drilled a red zone and a strike zone up for customers both balls new in the box and in both balls i found a red plastic drinking straw in the ball going into the weight block one in the area of the mass bias the other just there. I called the 800 number at the brunswick place to ask about this but got the runaround and ended up getting transferred 5 times and finally left a message. My question is why in the hell are there drinking straws in the bowling balls? I know mexican labor is cheaper but thats ridiculous whats next tomatoes in place of a weight block. has any one else seen or heard of this? this is the main reason why i try to defer customers from buying these balls
The red straw like material you are descibing is actually a spacer to keep the core properly spaced inside the outer core. These cores are actually made in the good old USA and shipped to the new plant in Mexico.
Not defending Brunswick, just stating the facts.
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Post by: jls on February 08, 2008, 03:49:40 PM
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in the past 2 days i have drilled a red zone and a strike zone up for customers both balls new in the box and in both balls i found a red plastic drinking straw in the ball going into the weight block one in the area of the mass bias the other just there. I called the 800 number at the brunswick place to ask about this but got the runaround and ended up getting transferred 5 times and finally left a message. My question is why in the hell are there drinking straws in the bowling balls? I know mexican labor is cheaper but thats ridiculous whats next tomatoes in place of a weight block. has any one else seen or heard of this? this is the main reason why i try to defer customers from buying these balls
cooldaddy, Did you take the time to read this, 5 times he got transferred.
He never heard of straws in a ball. And it appears, not to many other ball drillers have.
And I seriously doubt that you knew that. In fact I seriously doubt if you know anything. Your just a geek who surfs the net in his underwear while drinking coffee.
How's that for the facts!!!
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jls, proud watcher of womens golf
Edited on 2/8/2008 4:58 PM
Post by: rhbowling07 on February 08, 2008, 03:58:37 PM
Post by: RealBowler on February 08, 2008, 04:24:45 PM
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Post by: northface28 on February 08, 2008, 09:19:29 PM
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Facts! Facts! You don't really think northface and jls pay attention to those do you? Please.
Cute....
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Post by: Joe Jr on February 09, 2008, 12:53:48 AM
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in the past 2 days i have drilled a red zone and a strike zone up for customers both balls new in the box and in both balls i found a red plastic drinking straw in the ball going into the weight block one in the area of the mass bias the other just there. I called the 800 number at the brunswick place to ask about this but got the runaround and ended up getting transferred 5 times and finally left a message. My question is why in the hell are there drinking straws in the bowling balls? I know mexican labor is cheaper but thats ridiculous whats next tomatoes in place of a weight block. has any one else seen or heard of this? this is the main reason why i try to defer customers from buying these balls
The red straw like material you are descibing is actually a spacer to keep the core properly spaced inside the outer core. These cores are actually made in the good old USA and shipped to the new plant in Mexico.
Not defending Brunswick, just stating the facts.
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So Brunswick's new state of the art core machine isn't actually making any cores yet?
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And yeah, I do know it all.. I don't spend 30+ hours a week learning more about bowling for my heatlh... I do it so I know more than all of you.. which I do. (besides the random few that are staffers/work in the bowling business.. which that population is decreasing little by little)
Post by: NappyCuts on February 09, 2008, 06:21:38 AM
Post by: Verbs on February 09, 2008, 07:32:44 AM
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I had a problem with a ball and the shop called the rep that was in the brunswick catalog and he took care of it right away. It was not an 800 number, it was his reps number. they are all in the catalog. I would like to see this straw thing. Sounds very unusual. Why would they do cores like that I wonder. It sounds like sabotage from the other Michigan people making cores. I still use mostly brunswick because I bowl best with them and they always will stand behind their product. And they don't lose reaction very quick.
It isn't sabotage. As I stated previously, the red straw like material is a spacer that the core manufacturer uses to keep the inner core properly set within the outer core.
And you are correct. If you do have an issue, have the pro shop operator contact the Product Specialist, listed in the catalog, for your area.
As far as the Brunswick Reps. not coming on here. Look at the way some of you browbeat them when they do answer a legitimate question. Just remember, they are people too that are just trying to make a living. All of the decisions that were made to move the manufacturing plant to Mexico didn't involve them. They simply work for the corporation.
So the next time one of the Brunswick boys comes on here to answer a question, defend a false statement, etc. please try and remember, they are people to with feelings and a job to do. How would you feel if someone came to your place of employment and browbeat you the way some of you browbeat the Brunswick boys.
Verbs
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Post by: abrown on February 09, 2008, 08:09:19 AM
Post by: pop_1 on February 09, 2008, 08:24:09 AM
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It isn't sabotage. As I stated previously, the red straw like material is a spacer that the core manufacturer uses to keep the inner core properly set within the outer core.
And you are correct. If you do have an issue, have the pro shop operator contact the Product Specialist, listed in the catalog, for your area.
As far as the Brunswick Reps. not coming on here. Look at the way some of you browbeat them when they do answer a legitimate question. Just remember, they are people too that are just trying to make a living. All of the decisions that were made to move the manufacturing plant to Mexico didn't involve them. They simply work for the corporation.
So the next time one of the Brunswick boys comes on here to answer a question, defend a false statement, etc. please try and remember, they are people to with feelings and a job to do. How would you feel if someone came to your place of employment and browbeat you the way some of you browbeat the Brunswick boys.
Verbs
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Well said Verbs.
Post by: Verbs on February 09, 2008, 08:59:18 AM
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it wasnt a red straw like material it was indeed a red straw like you get at 7 11 for a slurpy had the spoon tip on it the brunswick rep contacted me yesterday saying that it was a clear pin not a straw. But the fact is its hard enough to sale brunswick equipment around here with so many factory jobs lost to moving to mexico i cant push them. people are interested till they see made in mexico, well from what i was told the cores and all the other things are made here and sent to mexico so be assembled but if i remember reading they completely shut down there plant and built one in Mexico for the pics i was asked not to post them by a brunswick person but i will as soon as i get them in my computer
abrown,
I apologize. I may have been misspoken about the red straw, but I have seen that before myself when I was working for Brunswick. Not seeing the ball in person, I assumed it was the same as what I had seen in my previous life.
Now that you have spoken directly to a Brunswick Rep., and they asked you not to post the picture, I would hope that you would abide by there wishes and not post it as what good would it do except "feed the trolls".
You are correct in stating that in some areas it is difficult to sell Brunswick products, and situations like this don't make it any easier. But as the Brunswick rep. informed you, the plant in Mexico just assembles the parts. The high performance cores are made here in the US at the same facility that has made Brunswick cores for many years. The cover stock materials are being supplied by the same vendors as when the plant was in Muskegon, MI.
And as I stated, I had seen this before. Even before the plant was moved to Mexico.
Since abrown has spoken to a Brunswick Rep. directly. And the situation will be resolved, I believe that there should be no further discussion on this as this particuler situation has been taken care of.
Verbs
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Post by: TheDude on February 09, 2008, 09:53:56 AM
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Keep them honest!
Post by: Joe Jr on February 09, 2008, 10:02:09 AM
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I was always under the impression that the entire ball was made in mexico. Cores made in one part of the country and then shipped out and then back again? Might explain the constant delays and time consuming back orders.
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LaSalle, Quebec
Located inside Pont Mercier Lanes.
Edmonton, Alberta.
Located inside Ed's Rec Room.(WEST ED MALL)
King Of Roto-Grip In Canada.
Keep them honest!
That's what I thought. I'm curious as to why there new core machine isn't being used.
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And yeah, I do know it all.. I don't spend 30+ hours a week learning more about bowling for my heatlh... I do it so I know more than all of you.. which I do. (besides the random few that are staffers/work in the bowling business.. which that population is decreasing little by little)
Post by: ccrider on February 09, 2008, 07:30:53 PM
Why should the conversation about this cease. Are you on Big B's payroll. If not, it seams like your are. Some of us would like to see the pics of this before we spend our money on more Big B balls.
Just because the problem has, as you say, been addressed by a Brunswick rep, nothing more should be said. You have got to just be kidding.
Will you input a profile so we can no more about the source of your opinion/
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Post by: Joe Jr on February 09, 2008, 07:47:21 PM
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Verbs,
Why should the conversation about this cease. Are you on Big B's payroll. If not, it seams like your are. Some of us would like to see the pics of this before we spend our money on more Big B balls.
Just because the problem has, as you say, been addressed by a Brunswick rep, nothing more should be said. You have got to just be kidding.
Will you input a profile so we can no more about the source of your opinion/
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Larry was the product specialist for Brunswick in the North eastern territory.
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Quote from Conspirator300/Chris-m:
And yeah, I do know it all.. I don't spend 30+ hours a week learning more about bowling for my heatlh... I do it so I know more than all of you.. which I do. (besides the random few that are staffers/work in the bowling business.. which that population is decreasing little by little)
Post by: Verbs on February 09, 2008, 07:52:25 PM
I will tell you this, I was an employee of Brunswick until from January 2002 to June 2007. I was basically a victim of corporate downsizing. Now I work for their largest customer.
So, if anyone has an axe to grind against Brunswick, it would be me.
But I choose to take the high road.
As I stated previously, in my years at Brunswick, I had seen something similar. It was explained to me as a spacer to keep the inner core "centered" in the outer core. abrown's case sounds to be different than what I had seen.
My feeling is that this is certainly an isolated case and should not discourage anyone from purchasing a Brunswick product.
In addition, as I stated, I work for Brunswick's largest customer (a VERY LARGE distributor in the mid-west). I see issues with every company. Brunswick is certainly no worse qualitywise, and in many ways better, than all of the other manufacturers that we sell. It just seems that Brunswick is under the magnifing glass.
My thought in asking abrown to adhere to the Brunswick reps. wishes not to put a photo on Ball Reviews is what purpose would it serve, other than satisfing a few peoples curiosity?
Have a great day and bowl well!!!!!!
Verbs
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Post by: sdbowler on February 09, 2008, 07:56:20 PM
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Verbs,
Why should the conversation about this cease. Are you on Big B's payroll. If not, it seams like your are. Some of us would like to see the pics of this before we spend our money on more Big B balls.
Just because the problem has, as you say, been addressed by a Brunswick rep, nothing more should be said. You have got to just be kidding.
Will you input a profile so we can no more about the source of your opinion/
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Verbs (use to be VerbsWick if I recall right) worked for Brunswick for many years. He knows what he is talking about. There is no need to question what he is saying when it comes to Brunswick stuff. For the people that have been around for awhile know who he is. Somebody like him I would say does not need a profile. Now as far as the rep contacting and asking abrown not to post anything it is a smart move to do. Why do we need to see it. Why can't we honor Brunswicks request on this?
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Post by: ccrider on February 09, 2008, 08:13:12 PM
I do not question what you say. Nor do I question whether abrown knows the difference between a spoon and a spacer.
If it is truly a spacer, post the pics, let you look at them and say it is a spacer. If it's a spoon, like abrown, I say, what the??
If it is a spoon, it may not dissuade anyone from purchasing another Big B ball. Frankly, I would think that Brunswick people would like to know. Maybe they need to check their qc people, find and correct the problem. Don't you agree. I certainly don't like the ignore it and it will go away attitude.
CC
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Post by: Verbs on February 09, 2008, 08:28:49 PM
You are correct. The R & D department will want to see the ball. And knowing the Brunswick Boys the way I do, I am sure that they did ask abrown to either send them a picture, send the ball back to Brunswick or all the above.
But it will be best handled by abrown and Brunswick.
Personally, I think we have beaten this dead horse enough.
Verbs
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Post by: themachine300 on February 09, 2008, 10:38:50 PM
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Post by: Sjf on February 10, 2008, 08:23:33 PM
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jls, jls, jls......tsk tsk tsk.
Glad you quit crying and posting your usual bleating about how cruel brunswick was for discontinuing the Fury and making them available cheap and you can't make any money and, and, and, and........boo hoo.
There's hope for you yet. Please feel free to post here instead of sending me insipid pm's. If you read my profile you'd know how off base your childish post was. Did you know that you too can post a profile? Or would it just be so laughably lame that even you would be embarassed?
Cool daddy, if you know how to read, you would have known that our shop was sold out of Fury's when the Big B caved into a few of their dist. who were the ones that were crying, cause they must have had too many in stock. Our comment was the very poor timing of the closeout. It came right at a time when real pro shops are stocking up for Christmas sales. And may have bought Fury's from their dist. before the closeout, At full price!!!!
And isn't it rather odd, that 4 months after the closeout of the Fury, that there still isn't a new Fury "heavy oil" ball to replace the closeout model.
One would think that the Nov. Dec. Jan. Feb. period, would be a good time to introduce a new model. I believe it's called, "peak season".
Now you and a few of your Brunswick boys seem to always come on and bash anyone that makes a negitive post on Brunswick. This straw thing is just another example.
Now in our shop, we have never had anything like this happen. And i believe that we did not even have one single defective Brunswick ball, in all of 2007.
If this was indeed a straw, it may just be an employee doing this. If possible. I don't feel it is a bad reflection on Brunswick. And if it is like Verb said, then there is really no problem.
Your two bit attacks on anyone who post something about Brunswick are childish.
If you owned a pro shop, and had Fury's in stock at full price, and then saw them footballed for $20-$30 less then you paid, I believe even an idiot like you would be upset. And if you or any of your Brunswick wan a bees don't like the truth, too bad.
Your a joke.
Edited on 2/10/2008 10:17 PM
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Post by: ccrider on February 16, 2008, 05:44:45 PM
Please follow up so the truth will be known.
CC
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in the past 2 days i have drilled a red zone and a strike zone up for customers both balls new in the box and in both balls i found a red plastic drinking straw in the ball going into the weight block one in the area of the mass bias the other just there. I called the 800 number at the brunswick place to ask about this but got the runaround and ended up getting transferred 5 times and finally left a message. My question is why in the hell are there drinking straws in the bowling balls? I know mexican labor is cheaper but thats ridiculous whats next tomatoes in place of a weight block. has any one else seen or heard of this? this is the main reason why i try to defer customers from buying these balls
abrown
Well you started this thread, so why don't you finish it by telling us what you found out. Or is that a top secret??
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Post by: Rileybowler on February 16, 2008, 05:49:41 PM
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Post by: T-GOD on February 17, 2008, 12:41:28 AM
quote:It's about time they get a taste of their own medicine..!!
How would you feel if someone came to your place of employment and browbeat you the way some of you browbeat the Brunswick boys.
jfpops, you've got it correct, the bib B boys can't handle the truth. When the truth comes out, as you can see, they go and hide..!! =:^D
Post by: sdbowler on February 17, 2008, 06:50:29 AM
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Post by: Sjf on February 17, 2008, 10:07:38 AM
quote:quote:It's about time they get a taste of their own medicine..!!
How would you feel if someone came to your place of employment and browbeat you the way some of you browbeat the Brunswick boys.
jfpops, you've got it correct, the bib B boys can't handle the truth. When the truth comes out, as you can see, they go and hide..!! =:^D
T-God, Some [people just don't like it when a small pro shop sticks up for themselves. However if the wan a bees, took the time to actually read our post, they would see that we never knock Brunswick's product. In fact, spoke highly of it. It's their way of doing business that sucks. To pretend that all dist. were crying, well i do not believe that. Our dist wasn't. I believe it was the 6 or 7 dist. that are known to sell to online dealers, that were the ones crying. Because they over bought the Fury, and their online dealers were not selling them. So that it what I believe was the reason for the sudden price drop of the Fury. Before a new model was due out.
And now 4 months later, there still is no new oil ball in the Fury line.
The good people at Ebonite gave pro shops plenty of notice that a new Complete NV was coming out in late Jan. That gave pro shops time to adjust their stock of the NVS. And that is why, when the NVS was reduced in price a week or so ago, that most pro shops were not upset. We knew it was due to be dropped from the line. And we had time to adjust our stock. Thanks Mr Reid of Ebonite.
Brunswick likes to talk the talk, but they don't walk the walk. They just get their wan a bees to come on, once a week and attack.
If as Mr Verb said, that a straw like material is used, then why didn't someone from the Bg B. just come on and say so, case closed. No, they asked Abrown not to post any pic's. Why??? Do they have something to hide. Kinda like when they seem to have forgotten to put "made in Mexico" on thier balls.
I believe that is a law???? NOw after some other companies may have complained, the big B. now is putting a cute little sticker on the balls, saying "made in Mexico" Makes one wonder why this was not engraved on their balls in the first place. Maybe when they moved to Mexico, they forget the engraving machine??? Or maybe no one in Mexico knows how to spell, "made in Mexico" IN ENGLISH???
All the other major ball companies have their balls engraved. All the Ebonite
family of balls clearly say, Made in the USA" <<< proudly, And the white dots clearly say, "made in China". I guess ebonite is not ashammed to say where their balls are made. Is Brunswick???? Or did they just simply forget to do this. Ya right!!!!!
Now I wonder, Do we have to wait another week before this lowlife cool person comes on to attack jls.
And we will probably find out who shot JFK and JR. before we find out the truth about the straw!!!!
And I wonder, if the boys at the Big B. are please that cool person brought this thread back to life, after it was silent for a week, and was almost off the first page!!!! Nice going cool person!!!!
Post by: FastTracker33 on February 17, 2008, 10:11:51 AM
quote:quote:quote:It's about time they get a taste of their own medicine..!!
How would you feel if someone came to your place of employment and browbeat you the way some of you browbeat the Brunswick boys.
jfpops, you've got it correct, the bib B boys can't handle the truth. When the truth comes out, as you can see, they go and hide..!! =:^D
T-God, Some [people just don't like it when a small pro shop sticks up for themselves. However if the wan a bees, took the time to actually read our post, they would see that we never knock Brunswick's product. In fact, spoke highly of it. It's their way of doing business that sucks. To pretend that all dist. were crying, well i do not believe that. Our dist wasn't. I believe it was the 6 or 7 dist. that are known to sell to online dealers, that were the ones crying. Because they over bought the Fury, and their online dealers were not selling them. So that it what I believe was the reason for the sudden price drop of the Fury. Before a new model was due out.
And now 4 months later, there still is no new oil ball in the Fury line.
The good people at Ebonite gave pro shops plenty of notice that a new Complete NV was coming out in late Jan. That gave pro shops time to adjust their stock of the NVS. And that is why, when the NVS was reduced in price a week or so ago, that most pro shops were not upset. We knew it was due to be dropped from the line. And we had time to adjust our stock. Thanks Mr Reid of Ebonite.
Brunswick likes to talk the talk, but they don't walk the walk. They just get their wan a bees to come on, once a week and attack.
If as Mr Verb said, that a straw like material is used, then why didn't someone from the Bg B. just come on and say so, case closed. No, they asked Abrown not to post any pic's. Why??? Do they have something to hide. Kinda like when they seem to have forgotten to put "made in Mexico" on thier balls.
I believe that is a law???? NOw after some other companies may have complained, the big B. now is putting a cute little sticker on the balls, saying "made in Mexico" Makes one wonder why this was not engraved on their balls in the first place. Maybe when they moved to Mexico, they forget the engraving machine??? Or maybe no one in Mexico knows how to spell, "made in Mexico" IN ENGLISH???
All the other major ball companies have their balls engraved. All the Ebonite
family of balls clearly say, Made in the USA" <<< proudly, And the white dots clearly say, "made in China". I guess ebonite is not ashammed to say where their balls are made. Is Brunswick???? Or did they just simply forget to do this. Ya right!!!!!
Now I wonder, Do we have to wait another week before this lowlife cool person comes on to attack jls.
And we will probably find out who shot JFK and JR. before we find out the truth about the straw!!!!
And I wonder, if the boys at the Big B. are please that cool person brought this thread back to life, after it was silent for a week, and was almost off the first page!!!! Nice going cool person!!!!
jls, I mean... jfpops, sorry to interupt this thread, but i'm sad to say, you're not good at hiding your identity. LOL.
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Post by: Sjf on February 17, 2008, 10:22:20 AM
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Fasttrack, no one is trying to.
I guess you never heard of a shop with more then one person working there.
Well thats just too bad, If I also want to post I will, If you or that lowlife cool person don't like it, Please hit ignore.
Edited on 2/17/2008 1:30 PM
Post by: FastTracker33 on February 17, 2008, 10:25:25 AM
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jls, I mean... jfpops, sorry to interupt this thread, but i'm sad to say, you're not good at hiding your identity. LOL.
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Fast
I guess you never heard of a shop with more then one person working there.
Well thats just too bad, If I want to post I will, If you or that lowlife cool person don't like it, Please hit ignore.[/quote]
It think it's more lowlife to use ignore, if anything. I only use ignore if I get personally attacked, because really, I don't need that. I was just simply stating you sound a lot like jls. Lol. But sorry.. Continue on with the red straw thread.. Lol..
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Post by: Sjf on February 17, 2008, 10:33:52 AM
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jls, I mean... jfpops, sorry to interupt this thread, but i'm sad to say, you're not good at hiding your identity. LOL.
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Fast
I guess you never heard of a shop with more then one person working there.
Well thats just too bad, If I want to post I will, If you or that lowlife cool person don't like it, Please hit ignore.
It think it's more lowlife to use ignore, if anything. I only use ignore if I get personally attacked, because really, I don't need that. I was just simply stating you sound a lot like jls. Lol. But sorry.. Continue on with the red straw thread.. Lol..
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Fast, I will go over this one more time, the boys at the big B know this allready from many im's back and forth.
JLS owns the shop, jfpops is the screen name I started using back in Nov. when I first came on BR.
I work their, and JLS is my Dad. And so yes, since we work together and face the same problems. We do have the same opinion on many subjects.
And I did not like it when this lowlife cool person attack JLS on the 9th, because Abrown posted about a straw. And then after a week on hiding in his hole, he came out and stared attack again on the 16th. And I fired back.
JlS probably won't see any of this till monday, when he goes into the shop.
And just like last week, I doubt he will respond. He doesn't want anyone to think that he does not love taco's. oops
Post by: sdbowler on February 17, 2008, 11:08:51 AM
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Post by: Sjf on February 17, 2008, 12:30:22 PM
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Jfpops the reason I said what I said about JLS is he has been knowen to atack Brunswick lately. My question is this. How are Brunswick balls reacting? From what I have seen they are just as good if not better then before the move. So whatever this maybe that the original topic was all about must not be hurting the ball at all. I am just tired of all the ripping on Brunswick because they have problems with their equipment. As I stated in before not a whole lot of ripping on Storm and Roto Grip for their equipment cracking or having problems. As soon as people started reporting that their Twisted's were cracking it was jump all over Brunswick, why is this going on blah blah blah. Balls crack from ALL companies. ALL companies have problems why is it so hard to learn that and get over it?
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Sdbowler, You hit it right on the head, We think their product is good.
JlS posted that he thought the Fury was a great ball, when put in the hands of the right bowler, for the right shot. And he was sorry to see it go. And last week we got in their new line of balls. And we expect them to do well.
We have both said over and over, that we have not knocked the Big B's equipment.
We as small pro shops are not happy with the way they do business. They know, and we know and now everyone should know that the real reason for the sudden closeout was more then likely brought on by 6-7 dist, who mainly sell to online dealers, being overstocked on the Fury. Because they bought too many and they probably did not see the online sales on that model, they thought they would. And so they cried to the big B, that the Fury "had slowed down in sales to a crawl" BS.
And because JLS called them on this, the Big B. Geek squad of wan a bees attacked.
Most ball companies plan their closeout models to go along with the intro of a new model. Hello cool jerk, it's been 4 months, and no new model!!!!
The good people at Ebonite let pro shops know that a new Complete NV was coming out, and by telling the shops, the specs of the new ball, most shops had no problem figuring out that the new ball will be a replacement to the NVS.
This is not rocket science!!! And most shops had more then enough time to adjust their inventories. And that is why, when the NVS was closeout and now is online for $119. Most shops are not upset, because they have probably sold out of the old NVS by now. Thanks Mr Reid of Ebonite!!!
Unlike the Fury deal. We checked with 3 different dist. at that time, and now of them had the Fury for $99. they ranged from $112 - $126. And most give us the impression that they were not having problems moving the ball. Because if they did, Why would they still be at $112 - $126 when everyone in the world knows that the ball is online for $99?
Thats why we feel that it was just a select few dist. that Cried to the big B,
that the Fury had "slowed down in sales to a crawl" because they probably bought too many!!!! So at a time when the Twisted had added new life to the Fury line, the big B, caved in and closed out a ball that they probably could have sold at regular price during the PEAK SEASON OF NOV - JAN. Which anyone with a brain knows is a big ball selling period!!!!!!!
So to again answer your question Sdbowler, We think the BIG B line of balls are good, and I know for a fact that JLS never ever bashed Brunswick for their
move to Mexico. Go back and research threads from a year or so ago, when the move first happened. Many many bashed the Big B. But JLS never did.
JLS just did not like the poor timing of closing out the Fury. It came at a time when real pro shops are stocking up for Christmas sales. Real pro shops don't wait till dec 23rd to stock up. And many shops may have brought in a case or two of Fury's for Christmas, only to find out a few days later that they are now being footballed online for $99. Ya, real class Brunswick.
Lucky for us that we were sold out of the Fury, and were just about to place an order the next day for some, when we found out about the closeout.
So JLS just cut the from his order and sold a few more Resurgence's.
And then some Big B people offer JLS some info on where he could buy some from some dist. at the closeout price of $99. Hello is anyone home. By that time, every online dealer in the world had them for $99 with free shipping. So why would jls need to buy them at $99 from any dist??
now one person from ther Big b did address that, and told JLS he could put him in touch with a dist, that would sell him the balls at a lower price. Thanks, but he turned that down. Why, Because he felt that the dist. in question was more then likely one of the 6-7 that supply online dealers. And he choose to deal with dist. that sell to pro shops at a fair price.
Btw, did I mention that in Jan of 08, Hammer and Columbia out sold the big B 8-1 in our shop, and Ebonite out sold them, 7-1. Thanks Mr Reid of Ebonite.
Post by: HamPster on February 17, 2008, 01:14:13 PM
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I have HIT what looks like core pins under the surface on a few t-zone that I 've had to put plug in and re drill . These balls had NO PINS ON THE SURFACE!!!
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Post by: Rileybowler on February 17, 2008, 01:30:06 PM
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Post by: crankncrash on February 17, 2008, 02:43:49 PM
Post by: Sjf on February 17, 2008, 05:52:27 PM
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This really is no joke, drilled a vapor and a redzone that had this thing in it. As described it litterally looked like a slurpee straw, flat on the end just like the 7-11 dealies. I always wondered wtf it was, I will have to see if we still have it at the shop i could post some picts. I really don't know what it is, but the ball seemed fine so who cares? I used the redzone for 1.5 seasons no issues. Vapor hasn't come back so I'll assume the same.
So it appears that Mr Verb was right. And a straw like material is used. It sounds like the same shape as Abrown posted. It would have been nice if someone from the big b would have posted what Mr Verb posted.
But at least it appears to be clear now, that there is nothing wrong with Big B's quality control.
As for their closing out the Fury, as someone posted, that is a dead horse.
And hopefully the next time someone post something negative about the Big B, cool person won't feel the need to attack again. As anyone can plainly see by reviewing this entire thread, it was cool person who fired the first shot.
Because it was cool person who brought back the dead horse issue, of the Fury closeouts. That issue had nothing to do with the thread Abrown posted.
but cool person felt the need to once again attack, and when someone fires back, well he does not like that!!!
Too bad
And once more, for all the wan a bees who can not read. Our shop did not have one single defective Brunswick bowling ball in all of 2007.
So I don't know what more one can say about their quality.
Seems pretty good to me!!!
Maybe they will work on that pricing issue.
Have a great day
Edited on 2/17/2008 6:56 PM
Post by: Stampy on February 17, 2008, 09:19:17 PM
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Post by: lsf_21 on February 17, 2008, 09:26:33 PM
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Post by: jls on February 18, 2008, 10:40:04 AM
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You know, it's cool you want to defend your dad. Not a problem with that. The problem is the general tone of your dad's posts. Henry Ford II said it best with his book title: "Never complain, never explain" (they might be in the wrong order).
Edited on 2/18/2008 11:28 AM
Hey cool daddy, it's me, Maybe we can start over. Now this thread was about the straw. I am sure by now you have noticed that we did not attack Brunswick's quality control on this straw issue. Yes we were not happy over the Fury closeout, because we "lost millions" <, I forgot who said that. But as I am sure you have noticed, we have indeed posted good comments about the Fury, and I also posted on the Twisted thread, that we did not have a single defective Brunswick ball in all of 2007.
Now your right when you say companies may have to closeout some balls. However it was the timing of the closeout that was rather odd.
And your right when you say that Brunswick has a good oil ball in the Blast Zone. However my point was this, In our shop we stock mainly the Fury line. For some reason, we don't do well with the Zone lines. We do carry the Blast Zone. But we do have a void now that we don't have an oil ball in the Fury line. Hopefully soon!!!
Sorry cool daddy that this got out of hand, Hope we can move on.
have a good day.
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Post by: Sjf on February 18, 2008, 07:19:57 PM
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You know, it's cool you want to defend your dad. Not a problem with that. The problem is the general tone of your dad's posts. Henry Ford II said it best with his book title: "Never complain, never explain" (they might be in the wrong order).
Edited on 2/18/2008 11:28 AM
Thanks Cool Daddy, I am sure glad we all got past this. And thanks to Mr Verb.
For doing a good job explaining the straw like material.
Maybe that's why Brunswick wants their balls drilled at least 1" from the pins.
Thanks again Cool Daddy