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DP3

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What will be done in 2008 to reverse the current trend?
« on: October 02, 2007, 02:05:40 AM »
Ok, 2007 has been a pretty dismal year for the Big B on the production side.  Avalanches are delayed until January 08.  Production on Powergrooves don't start for another 2 weeks or so, which means shops probaly won't get them for another 5-6 weeks.  T-Zones are backordered until December I hear in all except for 2 colors, and Viz-A-Balls are very backed up(everyone wants the spirals, but we are having to search far and wide just to find a pair, and after this week there may be none.

What does Brunswick plan on doing in 2008 to cut down on these huge delays.  Ever since the Spring I've seen and have had Brunswick faithfuls losing faith in their products and "jumping shift" left and right, and some are much happier since doing so.  What is in the works to keep the Brunswick faithfuls happy and how do you guys plan on following up on a very bad year production wise?  We've been selling the products very well for years, but lately there's hardly been anything to sell.  And when a ball is availible, shops are getting to the point where they are too jaded to want to stock/sell/push the product, and people are losing interest in even throwing the product.
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DON DRAPER

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Re: What will be done in 2008 to reverse the current trend?
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2007, 10:49:06 AM »
i don't really understand what the problem is. yes, i saw the availability of plastic balls was limited but the other balls i wanted-----fury, total inferno, power groove....i had no problem getting them. i also had no problem getting a morich awesome hook( made by brunswick ).

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Re: What will be done in 2008 to reverse the current trend?
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2007, 10:54:42 AM »
Yes, some production backed up, and so does all other brands.

This season seems very hard to buy stuff.
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Re: What will be done in 2008 to reverse the current trend?
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2007, 11:17:00 AM »
I understand that Brunswick had some problems, but I think Ebonite has the worst right now. They are making 4 ball companies out of one factory. Also the Brunswick production flaw just recently happened. Numerous bowling balls have been delayed. Track's rising was delayed 3 months. All ball companies go through this. If you have people jumping ship over a plastic ball then they really aren't brunswick loyals.
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Re: What will be done in 2008 to reverse the current trend?
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2007, 11:26:26 AM »
Missy Belinder has a pretty Pink Plastic ball!

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Re: What will be done in 2008 to reverse the current trend?
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2007, 02:40:04 PM »
I think they (Brunswick) will turn the corner. All companies have moving or growing pains. I think too many people want to jump on the Big B because they moved out of country. All these companies have their problems.

Bowling ball consumers are like fickle front-running sports fans. Whoever the hot team is, they run around in their gear and praise them every chance they get. When they start losing.........
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Re: What will be done in 2008 to reverse the current trend?
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2007, 02:41:16 PM »
All this over plastic balls? We're talking about plastic; not reactive resin, but plastic.
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Re: What will be done in 2008 to reverse the current trend?
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2007, 02:43:45 PM »
I thought half the reason they moved to Mexico was to make a state of the art ball factory.  Should a state of the art facility struggle with production like they are?  And we aren't just talking plastic, the Avalanche was delayed significantly.
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Re: What will be done in 2008 to reverse the current trend?
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2007, 02:54:42 PM »
For some reason, I just saw the Allen Iverson news conference flash in my head where he says "practice" about 25 times. "We're talking about plastic here"

Mike

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All this over plastic balls? We're talking about plastic; not reactive resin, but plastic.
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Re: What will be done in 2008 to reverse the current trend?
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2007, 03:08:54 PM »
Bingo!
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Re: What will be done in 2008 to reverse the current trend?
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2007, 03:22:05 PM »
waited a while for vapours but finally got them. and vizaballs are supposed to be cleared up by the end of the month. But i too am tired of waiting excessively long for product.

Can't get 14lbs wizards, and spirals are tough to get as well. we don't sell power grooves anymore. Tropicals are pretty and more available.


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Re: What will be done in 2008 to reverse the current trend?
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2007, 03:25:36 PM »
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All this over plastic balls? We're talking about plastic; not reactive resin, but plastic.
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Re: What will be done in 2008 to reverse the current trend?
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2007, 03:41:57 PM »
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For some reason, I just saw the Allen Iverson news conference flash in my head where he says "practice" about 25 times. "We're talking about plastic here"

Mike

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All this over plastic balls? We're talking about plastic; not reactive resin, but plastic.
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Re: What will be done in 2008 to reverse the current trend?
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2007, 04:41:21 PM »
Who said all of the fuss was about plastic balls?  Although, plastic and low end usually makes up for the majority of a pro shop's sales.  Not all of our customers are ballreviews.com tech geniuses that know what they want, how they want it drilled and preped, and what specs they want before they come to the shop to have a ball drilled.

Between plastic and low end reactives, that's where about 70% of our business and profit comes from.  We sold a ton of Powergrooves because we felt that for the dollar and ROI(Return on Investment), that it was the best value in the business for both the customer and the pro shop.  When these were harder and harder to get, we had to go to other companies for more expensive low end products just to keep in supply with the demand.

Now when a customer comes in for their first ball and gets something like a powergroove, it's alot easier to move them up to a BVP for their second ball when they are ready.  Then when they are ready to step into the high performance, they already have two Brunswick balls in the bag and they want to get that new Brunswick high end ball and the three ball Brunswick Roller, the Brunswick polish to clean those balls and the Brunswick shoes to match the entire package.  If you cut off that first initial step(with the starter ball for the company), you've lost a potential diehard customer(I'm sure the other pro shops will understand my logic).  

Once the Powergroove and Target Zone supply went slim, more of our customers were pushed into the Tropical Storm(New bowlers love having a ball that has a scent to it for the novelty factor), Tornado, and Planet series from Roto-Grip.  Then when they move up, they're more likely to go with the brand they have already.  Now instead of Brunswick being our #2 seller in shop, there's not a single Brunswick ball on the shelf in here.  A couple of other shops I've known have gone the same route.  Not because the product wasn't good, but because alot of it wasn't readily availible and other equipment was.  So when you have to go to something else, and it does successful, guess what we're going to keep selling?  We were really excited about the Avalanche series because that type of low end/big reaction sells a ton in our area.  Now it looks like we'll just keep pushing the Planets, Clashes, and Bashes.

I'm not looking for a promise from Brunswick or anything that things will get better, but it is starting to look like these production backups are becoming an ongoing trend.  I just wanted to know when they were going to kick things into second gear and become the reliable Brunswick of old with high quality products and no problems.
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Re: What will be done in 2008 to reverse the current trend?
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2007, 04:46:37 PM »
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For some reason, I just saw the Allen Iverson news conference flash in my head where he says "practice" about 25 times. "We're talking about plastic here"

Mike

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All this over plastic balls? We're talking about plastic; not reactive resin, but plastic.
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He's just keeping it real, in true AI fashion.  http://www.sportspickle.com/features/volume2/2003-1112-iverson.html


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I worked at Chuck E Cheese over the summer, and Allen Iverson came in for his daughter's birthday party. Not only did he keep asking for free stuff, he didn't even tip the birthday hostess. Multi-millionaire couldn't spare $20 for grautity...

Mmmk...back on topic!
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