Post by: DP3 on October 02, 2007, 02:05:40 AM
What does Brunswick plan on doing in 2008 to cut down on these huge delays. Ever since the Spring I've seen and have had Brunswick faithfuls losing faith in their products and "jumping shift" left and right, and some are much happier since doing so. What is in the works to keep the Brunswick faithfuls happy and how do you guys plan on following up on a very bad year production wise? We've been selling the products very well for years, but lately there's hardly been anything to sell. And when a ball is availible, shops are getting to the point where they are too jaded to want to stock/sell/push the product, and people are losing interest in even throwing the product.
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Post by: DON DRAPER on October 02, 2007, 10:49:06 AM
Post by: laufaye on October 02, 2007, 10:54:42 AM
This season seems very hard to buy stuff.
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Post by: LuckyLefty on October 02, 2007, 11:26:26 AM
REgards,
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Post by: Bigmike on October 02, 2007, 02:40:04 PM
Bowling ball consumers are like fickle front-running sports fans. Whoever the hot team is, they run around in their gear and praise them every chance they get. When they start losing.........
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Post by: KDawg77 on October 02, 2007, 02:41:16 PM
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Post by: splendorlex on October 02, 2007, 02:43:45 PM
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Post by: Bigmike on October 02, 2007, 02:54:42 PM
Mike
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All this over plastic balls? We're talking about plastic; not reactive resin, but plastic.
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Post by: KDawg77 on October 02, 2007, 03:08:54 PM
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Post by: TheDude on October 02, 2007, 03:22:05 PM
Can't get 14lbs wizards, and spirals are tough to get as well. we don't sell power grooves anymore. Tropicals are pretty and more available.
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Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on October 02, 2007, 03:25:36 PM
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All this over plastic balls? We're talking about plastic; not reactive resin, but plastic.
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Post by: Dan Belcher on October 02, 2007, 03:41:57 PM
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For some reason, I just saw the Allen Iverson news conference flash in my head where he says "practice" about 25 times. "We're talking about plastic here"
Mikequote:
All this over plastic balls? We're talking about plastic; not reactive resin, but plastic.
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He's just keeping it real, in true AI fashion. http://www.sportspickle.com/features/volume2/2003-1112-iverson.html
Post by: DP3 on October 02, 2007, 04:41:21 PM
Between plastic and low end reactives, that's where about 70% of our business and profit comes from. We sold a ton of Powergrooves because we felt that for the dollar and ROI(Return on Investment), that it was the best value in the business for both the customer and the pro shop. When these were harder and harder to get, we had to go to other companies for more expensive low end products just to keep in supply with the demand.
Now when a customer comes in for their first ball and gets something like a powergroove, it's alot easier to move them up to a BVP for their second ball when they are ready. Then when they are ready to step into the high performance, they already have two Brunswick balls in the bag and they want to get that new Brunswick high end ball and the three ball Brunswick Roller, the Brunswick polish to clean those balls and the Brunswick shoes to match the entire package. If you cut off that first initial step(with the starter ball for the company), you've lost a potential diehard customer(I'm sure the other pro shops will understand my logic).
Once the Powergroove and Target Zone supply went slim, more of our customers were pushed into the Tropical Storm(New bowlers love having a ball that has a scent to it for the novelty factor), Tornado, and Planet series from Roto-Grip. Then when they move up, they're more likely to go with the brand they have already. Now instead of Brunswick being our #2 seller in shop, there's not a single Brunswick ball on the shelf in here. A couple of other shops I've known have gone the same route. Not because the product wasn't good, but because alot of it wasn't readily availible and other equipment was. So when you have to go to something else, and it does successful, guess what we're going to keep selling? We were really excited about the Avalanche series because that type of low end/big reaction sells a ton in our area. Now it looks like we'll just keep pushing the Planets, Clashes, and Bashes.
I'm not looking for a promise from Brunswick or anything that things will get better, but it is starting to look like these production backups are becoming an ongoing trend. I just wanted to know when they were going to kick things into second gear and become the reliable Brunswick of old with high quality products and no problems.
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Post by: fins4ever88 on October 02, 2007, 04:46:37 PM
quote:quote:
For some reason, I just saw the Allen Iverson news conference flash in my head where he says "practice" about 25 times. "We're talking about plastic here"
Mikequote:
All this over plastic balls? We're talking about plastic; not reactive resin, but plastic.
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He's just keeping it real, in true AI fashion. http://www.sportspickle.com/features/volume2/2003-1112-iverson.html
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I worked at Chuck E Cheese over the summer, and Allen Iverson came in for his daughter's birthday party. Not only did he keep asking for free stuff, he didn't even tip the birthday hostess. Multi-millionaire couldn't spare $20 for grautity...
Mmmk...back on topic!
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Post by: sdbowler on October 02, 2007, 04:50:22 PM
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Post by: DP3 on October 02, 2007, 05:00:20 PM
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As stated earlier other companies are having the same problem. Why jump down Brunswick's throat about it? Yes they moved production to Mexico but that does not mean that they will always be ahead of the game and have no problems at all. Give them some time and all will be better I am sure.
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/sensitivity
Where does it seem like I'm "jumping down their throats"? I presented a question in an eloquent and adult manner and I do realize that other companies have had problems. That's not what I'm asking about because these other companies are readily availble. I'm mainly asking because I have always supported the Brunswick product and hope to do so in the future when they get the ball rolling. I am just asking the questions that no one has been able to answer at the other outlets that I've gone through.
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Post by: qstick777 on October 02, 2007, 05:55:02 PM
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As stated earlier other companies are having the same problem. Why jump down Brunswick's throat about it? Yes they moved production to Mexico but that does not mean that they will always be ahead of the game and have no problems at all. Give them some time and all will be better I am sure.
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/sensitivity
Where does it seem like I'm "jumping down their throats"? I presented a question in an eloquent and adult manner and I do realize that other companies have had problems. That's not what I'm asking about because these other companies are readily availble. I'm mainly asking because I have always supported the Brunswick product and hope to do so in the future when they get the ball rolling. I am just asking the questions that no one has been able to answer at the other outlets that I've gone through.
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You made the mistake of questioning the Big B. Now you shall feel their wrath!
I don't see the Avalanches on the approved ball list yet.
Maybe they are busy producing all of their overseas and special bowlingball.com exclusives.
For the second half of this year they have:
Brunswick Ambitious II Jun-2007
Brunswick Blast Zone Jun-2007
Brunswick Chance Zone May-2007
Brunswick Dry Zone Jun-2007
Brunswick Fury Pearl Jun-2007
Brunswick Kick Zone May-2007
Brunswick Groove Urethane (Polished) May-2007
Brunswick Sidewinder Jun-2007
Revolution Rev Speed Drift May-2007
Revolution Revolution Rev Gear Arrows Jun-2007
Revolution Revolution Rebel Egoist Jun-2007
Revolution Revolution Progres ISM Aug-2007
Revolution Rev AGL Danger May-2007
Quantum King Quantum Aug-2007
US Act Boom Sep-2007
US Act Broken Arrow Sep-2007
US Act Galaxy Regulus May-2007
US Act Greed Jul-2007
US Act Greed Pearl Aug-2007
US Act Paramount April-'07
US Act Paramount Pearl April-'07
US Act Plus 10 Sep-2007
US Act Regulus Rosso Aug-2007
US Act Rise April-'07
US Act Rise Pearl April-'07
Might not be as impressive as the Ebono company:
Columbia Action Newbrid May-2007
Columbia Jazz Blue/Green Jun-2007
Columbia Jazz Purple/Pink Jun-2007
Columbia Resurgence Jun-2007
Columbia Resurgence Nouveau Sep-2007
Columbia Ricochet Newbrid Jun-2007
Columbia Rival Jun-2007
Columbia Scout Reactive Black/Red Pearl Apr-2007
Columbia Scout Reactive Blue/Gold Apr-2007
Columbia Scout Reactive Green/Silver Apr-2007
Columbia Wrath High Flush Jun-2007
Dyno - Thane Hero Aug-2007
Dyno - Thane Unique Jun-2007
Ebonite Bash Jun-2007
Ebonite Clash Jun-2007
Ebonite Gamebreaker Jun-2007
Ebonite Gamebreaker Pearl Sep-2007
Ebonite Hypernext Aug-2007
Ebonite Next May-2007
Ebonite NVS Jun-2007
Ebonite Playmaker Sep-2007
Ebonite Premium NV April-'07
Ebonite Premium NV April-'07
Ebonite Showbox May-2007
Ebonite Squall May-2007
Ebonite Tornado Silver/Navy/Gold May-2007
Ebonite Total NV Alpha Apr-2007
Ebonite Total NV Pro Model May-2007
Ebonite Vital Aug-2007
Hammer Black Widow Clear Sep-2007
Hammer Black Widow Harv II May-2007
Hammer Black Widow Harv LTD May-2007
Hammer Black Widow Spare Bla/Red/Gold Jul-2007
Hammer Infernal Fate Sep-2007
Hammer No Mercy Beat'n May-2007
Hammer No Mercy Violent May-2007
Hammer Raw Hammer Anger May-2007
Hammer Real Lucifer Mighty Sep-2007
Hammer Vibe Cherry May-2007
Hammer X7XXXTRA May-2007
Track Inc. Kinetic Jun-2007
Track Inc. Legion Cherry Silver Sep-2007
Track Inc. Legion Purple/Teal/Red Sep-2007
Track Inc. Phoenix Newbrid May-2007
Track Inc. Temper Jul-2007
Track Inc. The Rising Aug-2007
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Post by: charlest on October 02, 2007, 06:16:00 PM
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All this over plastic balls? We're talking about plastic; not reactive resin, but plastic.
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The largest percenatge of all sales are still in plastic/polyester, as far as I know. When there's no plastic balls, pro shops are hurting. High average bowlers will wait for their favorites balls. Kids, children and women will not; they want what they want NOW. You ain't got it; they're going elsewhere with their money.
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Post by: REVerse on October 02, 2007, 09:31:27 PM
quote:Very true charlest. The sad part is a beautiful center opened about 20 miles from here and it is dedicated to recreational bowling. Birthday parties and cosmic. No leagues. They throw plastic and there is no proshop. Pay by the hour or an inflated price per game. The shot sucks. Boring.
The largest percentage of all sales are still in plastic/polyester, as far as I know. When there's no plastic balls, pro shops are hurting. High average bowlers will wait for their favorites balls. Kids, children and women will not; they want what they want NOW. You ain't got it; they're going elsewhere with their money.
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Post by: rackattack on October 03, 2007, 12:05:14 AM
DP3 stated his business has relied on Brunswick to provide his customers with a quality product from entry level to high performance.
In the near past to the present he has not seen a solid commitment from a company he has come to rely on.He does not wish to rebuild that relationship with a competitor if he does not have to.He has requested a response from the Brunswick people he knows read and respond in this forum.
The selling season is upon him and he's looking to be assured Brunswick will be there for him.
A fair question in my book.
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Post by: Bigmike on October 03, 2007, 08:20:05 AM
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I don't see this post as a bash at all.
DP3 stated his business has relied on Brunswick to provide his customers with a quality product from entry level to high performance.
In the near past to the present he has not seen a solid commitment from a company he has come to rely on.He does not wish to rebuild that relationship with a competitor if he does not have to.He has requested a response from the Brunswick people he knows read and respond in this forum.
The selling season is upon him and he's looking to be assured Brunswick will be there for him.
A fair question in my book.
Then wouldn't a phone call to his region sales rep be the proper way to conduct business if he is not trying to bash? When you put a question like this in a public forum, you are inviting bashing and non relevant responses. Pick up the phone and invite your rep to stop by so you can discuss the future of Brunswick products on your shelfs. Me or other posters putting our responses should have no relevance in your decision to stock Brunswick.
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Post by: qstick777 on October 03, 2007, 09:07:41 AM
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I don't see this post as a bash at all.
DP3 stated his business has relied on Brunswick to provide his customers with a quality product from entry level to high performance.
In the near past to the present he has not seen a solid commitment from a company he has come to rely on.He does not wish to rebuild that relationship with a competitor if he does not have to.He has requested a response from the Brunswick people he knows read and respond in this forum.
The selling season is upon him and he's looking to be assured Brunswick will be there for him.
A fair question in my book.
Then wouldn't a phone call to his region sales rep be the proper way to conduct business if he is not trying to bash? When you put a question like this in a public forum, you are inviting bashing and non relevant responses. Pick up the phone and invite your rep to stop by so you can discuss the future of Brunswick products on your shelfs. Me or other posters putting our responses should have no relevance in your decision to stock Brunswick.
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Seems a little oversensitive - as others have pointed out about the Big B crew - as long as people are singing the praises of the company it is all good. The minute somebody questions the company, quality control, or some other aspect, they are flooded with "you shouldn't bring it to the forum, just call your rep and let them take care of it." Funny, every other forum is filled with questions about the business, quality, performance, etc. Why is this place any different?
As DP3 pointed out, the Avalanche series is postponed. It's listed on their website (http://www.brunswickbowling.com/avalanche) but it's not available. As I pointed out, it isn't even on the approved list (as of late Sept).
Whether you feel he should call his rep is your own opinion. This is an open forum and there is nothing wrong with DP3 coming here to ask a question of his peers.
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Post by: sdbowler on October 03, 2007, 09:09:28 AM
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Post by: DP3 on October 03, 2007, 09:37:19 AM
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I don't see this post as a bash at all.
DP3 stated his business has relied on Brunswick to provide his customers with a quality product from entry level to high performance.
In the near past to the present he has not seen a solid commitment from a company he has come to rely on.He does not wish to rebuild that relationship with a competitor if he does not have to.He has requested a response from the Brunswick people he knows read and respond in this forum.
The selling season is upon him and he's looking to be assured Brunswick will be there for him.
A fair question in my book.
Then wouldn't a phone call to his region sales rep be the proper way to conduct business if he is not trying to bash? When you put a question like this in a public forum, you are inviting bashing and non relevant responses. Pick up the phone and invite your rep to stop by so you can discuss the future of Brunswick products on your shelfs. Me or other posters putting our responses should have no relevance in your decision to stock Brunswick.
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Would you like a full transcript of my conversation with my regional rep?
Don't make me out to be the bad guy here when I asked a valid question. Brunswick knows that they are losing some of their market share and their presence in the pro shops(with representatives and phone calls) and their presence in public forums such as this has been more quiet than ever. Their production problems from a sellers standpoint is pretty unacceptable right now. There's no way I should be resurfacing and refinishing new in box balls before I can even draw lines on them to give them to the customer because there are sanding lines or slight ripples in the cover OOB. And after delay after delay, it's getting harder and harder to trust that the next deadline they are giving us will be fufilled.
Big Mike, you seem to be so authoritative on their behalf, who are you? Maybe you have some answers? ...or at least a business strategy backed by some numbers that you can produce.
As many shops as I do hear complaining about the problems, and for me to be the only one to speak up in a public forum and ask what is going on, really might just show how many people have just quietly left the "B" behind and have moved on to pushing, selling, and throwing other companies.
You have to get your market share back Brunswick, too many people are used to the top notch quality and overall impeccable performance of your line from top to bottom.
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Post by: DP3 on October 03, 2007, 09:38:58 AM
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I will agree that DP3 is just asking a question. I am just sick of so many people complaining about Brunswick behind on releasing stuff since they moved to Mexico. I am sure they have good reasons for all of this. Let me throw a question out there for you all. What would you if another ball company followed Brunswick and went to Mexico as well? How many of you guys would be in an uproar about that?
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I wouldn't be in an uproar at all as long as the equipment was actually coming out of the plant and the releases that were coming out of the plant didn't have so many surface issues. The balls could come from Mars for all I care as long as they get here, and without flaw.
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Post by: Bigmike on October 03, 2007, 10:09:07 AM
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I am just another guy in the business thats all. I am just amazed at the lack of professionalism by many in this craft. If you are having problems with the quality and have gotten no where with your sales rep, then by all means stop stocking the product and move on. Be a man about it and stop complaining on message boards.
Please tell me your not one of those shop guys who ridicules the competitors work. Because the way you are publically bashing Brunswick gives the impression otherwise.
And I do sign my name because I have no problem putting it out there. If you don't like what I am writing, then you can disagree. I am just getting tired of all the damn whining. Drop it and move on to another topic.
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Post by: MegaMav on October 03, 2007, 10:13:54 AM
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I am just getting tired of all the damn whining. Drop it and move on to another topic.
Some questions are left unanswered even when the correct parties are approached.
I think if you're tired of this *talk*, YOU should move onto another topic.
Most companies are behind right now, ask InSite.
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Post by: sdbowler on October 03, 2007, 10:16:05 AM
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I am just getting tired of all the damn whining. Drop it and move on to another topic.
Some questions are left unanswered even when the correct parties are approached.
I think if you're tired of this *talk*, YOU should move onto another topic.
Most companies are behind right now, ask InSite.
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Mav thanks that's what I was trying to say is that other companies are behind as well.
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Post by: DP3 on October 03, 2007, 10:46:55 AM
I've put my question out there.....if there is some type of answer, that I(and others who share the same views), that will be given in regard to the production plans for 2008 then I'm sure Brunswick can address it in a public forum, through email, or what have you.
I am not a hard person to find. And that also goes for any other person who has a problem with anything I've said. All information is in the profile. Have a great day everyone.
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