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bighook69

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why Brunswick.... why
« on: June 16, 2005, 10:46:43 AM »
I really like the fact that bowling balls are made in the USA... but, Brunswick, who has a plant near me (Muskegon, Michigan) is moving a ball making plant to Mexico...

any reason  besides its cheaper behind the move?
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Re: why Brunswick.... why
« Reply #61 on: June 17, 2005, 09:38:55 AM »
Kmann, c'mon now....

If you're gonna take that ridiculous stand, then get rid of all the non-American made items in your house and car.
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Re: why Brunswick.... why
« Reply #62 on: June 17, 2005, 10:02:27 AM »
I live in Fl, and if you want "illegals" then go to South FL. That's not the point though. They are doing what's best for the Company, cause in the game of life (and everyone can agree with this)...at the end of the day you gotta make sure you look-out for yourself first and foremost. And don't pull the "I'm in the military and I do it for others", cause I know and respect that (Dad retired as a cheif petty officer off the Lincoln). BUT, you have to watch out for YOURSELF, cause if you don't, then once you're gone noone will stick up for our freedom! Think about how much money goes into R&D, Labor, Advertising&Marketing. And once again, refer to my post from earlier, but not many people are going to pay a lot more money to keep the production in the USA...cause I'm sorry but anything more than maybe $5 and I won't. And all you people that will cast stones at me for this post remember... if it isn't about the money, then why don't you just buy the new bowling balls at your own pro shops, instead of coming online (like myself) to get them cheaper? It's sad taht jobs are being lost for the handful/115 (two diff. sides tell two diff. numbers), but face it; if they don't do this, and Brunswick has to stop making bowling balls in a couple years...then what will we be saying?
"They shoulda done something to stay afloat!"
"I don't see why they didn't try to cut labor or other costs."
"Why didn't they try making a more up-to-date building to keep up?"

Case in point!

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PS...KMAN, next time you come up with a rebuttal, make it a little better than a Pee Wee Herman'esque "I know you are but what am I?!?" type comment... it insults my intelligence AND your mental credibility...!!!
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Re: why Brunswick.... why
« Reply #63 on: June 17, 2005, 10:22:38 AM »
The movement of industry out of the United States is not a new thing, and it is seen as something that is good for the world economy; however, the less we as a country produce the worse it is for us as citizens of the U.S.A..  Industry is the primary job source.  Healthy Industry is the support of a decent income.  Economic health is the ability to purchase.  
Minimum wage is not enough.  

We, as a country, now buy 40% of all products exported from China.  China loans us the money to purchase their products at this level.  We are the largest consumers of products from every country - and we produce the least. We do not produce a television, a DVD player, tennis shoes, nor any common household appliance. We do produce cars and tires.  Higher fuel prices and the trend toward purchasing cars that that are able to give 50 miles per gallon is killing the American auto sales/manufacturing industry.  NAFTA - the "lets level the playing field" treaty, that passed under Bill Clinton, may not have been the beginning of the flight of American business to foreign soil, but, it marks a time in my thought.  There was a time before NAFTA.  

It seems to me that our democratic federal system is not forcing, but, it is encouraging a relocation of industry to foreign soil.  If is isn't possible to make a profit where you are, you have a choice - shut down, or move.

 

 


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« Reply #64 on: June 17, 2005, 10:25:15 AM »
Sadly - the Global economy is a juggernaut that ain't gonna stop. All you can do is stay educated, plan ahead, watch the trends for market shifts, and try to adapt. OH - and don't plan on "30 years and a pension". Those days are just about gone.
Those of you who are "100% BUY AMERICAN" need to make sure that you are buying what you think. I drove Ford Rangers for the last 20 years. I knew they were a little "rougher" than their Japanese counterpart, but what the heck, they were AMERICAN!! When my 99 Ranger started showing its age, and the lack of passenger room became an annoyance, I started researching compact trucks. I really really wanted to buy AMERICAN. So I did. I bought a truck that was "made" about 12 miles from my house. Guess what, it is made about 100% better than any of my Ranger's were. Better design. Better materials. 80% more horsepower for damned near the same gas mileage. Check out the assembly line:

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=105515#

It's built by America workers with parts and materials that come from everywhere. Many of the parts are made or formed in the factory. American workers can be competitive when working in a state of the art modern factory, building products that are well designed and engineered. I would have preferred to have seen big-B build a modern factory in the USA. However, they chose otherwise for economic reasons. OH Well - that was their decision to make, not mine. As long as they keep making the best equipment and they price is competitive, I will probably keep buying their product. However, that's as far as it goes. If there's a 100% American made product that is just as good for a similar price, I will buy American.

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« Reply #65 on: June 17, 2005, 11:17:21 AM »
You ask reasons...gee, maybe they were just putting their plant in a location to comport with the nonsensical slogan of ¡Viva la nación de Brunswick!.  You can't say they were unresponsive to the commentary from their consumer base...

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« Reply #66 on: June 17, 2005, 12:15:07 PM »
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looks at imprint on ball near serial, "made in Mexico" what?

or will the made in "suddenly" disappear?
 


That will disappear - it's part of the new "save costs through less engraving" program, or the "we have to engrave the USBC logo, so something else will have to be eliminated" program.


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« Reply #67 on: June 17, 2005, 07:01:09 PM »
I work in the auto industry in Canada and have been layed off from plant closures and cutbacks.  Yeah it sucks but like it was previously stated, its all about the money.  Brunswick should be looking at relocating somewhere else in the country.  But yet again $$$$$ talks.
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Re: why Brunswick.... why
« Reply #68 on: June 18, 2005, 09:24:27 AM »
Thank you Bill Clinton and NAFTA

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« Reply #69 on: June 18, 2005, 08:29:23 PM »
I don't agree with loosing jobs to other countries but until any of us own a business big enough to have hundreds or thousands of employees what can we say. For those of you that say you will not have anything to do with Brunswick anymore where are you going to bowl? You better hope there is an AMF center or someone who uses other machines. Last time I looked most centers had at least the pin setters from Brunswick.
If you want to complain about them going to Mexico where is your car made at? Most of the so called "American" made cars are made outside of the United States. It seems like more of the "Foreign" cars are made more inside the States now.
As far as quality of the equipment do you honostly think Brunswick will let  that slip? Being they are back on top or right there depending on who you are and how you look at it. Why would they let the quality drop on their products. Prices would not drop to the $50-$75 like one would wish.
Yes it sucks that they want to move the plant to Mexico but this could also mean better equipment in the future as well. Why are most of you looking at the downside of this. Stop and think that if they cut corners on labor and save there they could spend more on r&d and make better equipment then what they currently have.
As already said earlier if you want to stop using Brunswick due to them moving the plant out of the country you better get rid of everything else that is not made in the United States. Check the label on your pants let me guess made outside of the States. Your shoes, same thing. Want me to go on? Most of what we use/wear is from a foreign country.
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« Reply #70 on: June 18, 2005, 10:27:04 PM »
sdbowler those jeans you wear that are probably made down south used to be made in the US, maybe even by my mother until her plant closed and they moved production into Mexico. Believe me her wages definately weren't that great.
So you can have your "Brunswick balls" I'll stick to USA made.

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« Reply #71 on: June 18, 2005, 11:08:11 PM »
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sdbowler those jeans you wear that are probably made down south used to be made in the US, maybe even by my mother until her plant closed and they moved production into Mexico. Believe me her wages definately weren't that great.
So you can have your "Brunswick balls" I'll stick to USA made.

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I was trying to make a point that many things that we use or wear are made outside of the United States. If you don't want to use Brunswick fine don't but don't let it be because they moved the production plant outside of the States. Read all your labels of where things are made at. How many are actually made in the U.S.? I am willing to say not many. People need to relax a little and see what is going to happen. Just like any other company they are trying to have a better bottom line is all. How many people on this site wear Levis? They are made in Colombia better stop wearing them. How about Ralph Lauren Chaps they are made in South America, better stop wearing them too. Are you getting my point. Just another product that will be made out of the borders. NO big deal other then the loss of jobs that is going to happen, yeah I don't like it either that they are loosing their jobs. Wake up and realize the times that we are in and that more and more manufacturing jobs are going out of country. If this was Storm, Columbia or any other company would this be such a big deal?
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Re: why Brunswick.... why
« Reply #72 on: June 18, 2005, 11:36:27 PM »
Brunswick is dead to me now.


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Re: why Brunswick.... why
« Reply #73 on: June 19, 2005, 12:25:24 AM »
Brunswick will begin production from the new plant in 18 to 24 months.
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Re: why Brunswick.... why
« Reply #74 on: June 19, 2005, 12:37:14 AM »
As long as PK18, Activator, and core construction materials are made with the same "recipe" as it is today, I don't feel that there is a need to worry about who's making our bowling balls.

Someone else loses their job, their problem. I lose my job... my problem. Some things are beyond our control and it is our choice to either sit on our couches and complain, or do something new, productive, and positive to change/minimize the negative effect that was brought upon by this particular unfortunate event.

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Re: why Brunswick.... why
« Reply #75 on: June 19, 2005, 12:44:44 AM »
This thread is too long for me to read through to see if someone else has mentioned this or not, SO:

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