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Why can't Brunswick get lightening in a bottle again??
« on: November 17, 2008, 03:34:05 PM »
After talking with a customer that still has an absolute inferno, many years after its original release, I got to thinking alot. He mentioned that he still liked the ball alot. I have had a change of heart over the course of 4 years with brunswick. Honestly, them going to mexico and the radical inferno really left a bad taste in my mouth.

For me its not a labour issue, because my political views not important to the issue but they needed to for many understandable reasons besides the point the move to mexico was neccessary and a neccessity.

For me, in my proshop they just havent been able to get that lightening in a bottle since the absolute inferno and classic zone.

The ball with a lower rg simple single desinty core, and strong cover that was sanded but still had alot of grip and finish in the backend, not loosing energy and easy to polish. Of course i speak of activator.

In my area as much as the ball companies think that centers are introducing new oils every single year, our area isn't. In the last 4 or 5 years the volume of units, and types of oil have stayed the same. Volumes havent increased, and all the products coming out constantly boasting stronger covers with more midlane bite and handle more oil, they really arent getting higher scores. A re-release of the absolute inferno i think would sell again so well it would be really the saving grace of brunswick.

Im not a crack pot or whackjob because i see first hand the products passing through the market and see the products sometimes are just a hard sell.

I know everyone will put in there two cents, but the following were duds, and have been either on special and have never been backordered. Which usually is a sign of a product selling out faster than a market can handle.

The radical was hit and miss, blast zone, all the furys, were surrounded with contraversy, and the twisted original has been offered to me by more than one distributor on a specials list.

I have been throwing the twisted fury destruction, lately and not really impressed. its backend is average and  below average for the wholesale price performance.

I dont know if its the coverstock on it or the core, but if you were to take the activator and put that on any of the cores brunswick is making right now, how well would it react??



Honestly who would look at buying brunswick again if they put activator on some kind of decent core again? I certainly would again maybe. There brunswick stuff right now is the hardest sell on the ball wall. A new release from brunswick is struggling to create a buzz at all.


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Re: Why can't Brunswick get lightening in a bottle again??
« Reply #46 on: November 26, 2008, 11:28:47 AM »
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So how come you don't use the internet sites as your distributor if their prices are so much cheaper than your regular distributor?  Just wondering.



I didn't say on all items,  just some items made by Brunswick!!!!!!!

And I didn't say I was having trouble selling the Maxxx zone,  Sold 3 since Friday.  $189 fitted and drilled,  plus a car wash.

Plus if I was to buy off the online dealers as you say,  the balls would not be covered by many dist.  You have to buy a ball from a dist. to have it warantied by them.  So if a customer had a problem with a defective ball, I could not send it back to my dist.
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Re: Why can't Brunswick get lightening in a bottle again??
« Reply #47 on: November 26, 2008, 11:39:56 AM »
Hey Slumpbuster,  If you got caught with NVD's, your an idiot.  That ball and that whole line never sold well.  So if you over bought, your an idiot.

We didn't over buy,  and we had enough notice that the ball was going to be removed.  

May I remind you of the Fury, it was DQ WITHOUT a replacement ball even do out.
It sold for $99 online, so you Brunswick people have no reason to knock Ebonite for reducing a ball.  At least they do it while bringing out a new model,  and unless you live in a cave,  you would know about the new release as well as the DQ models.  Also I receive info from them stating the ball is being DQ and removed from floor pricing.
The Twistted Fury Solid did not come ot for almost 9 months after the Fury's were dumped online!!!!!!!

And why were they dumped????

Was it because some of Big B's dist. got caught with too many in stock and could not PAY THEIR BILL to the Big B?????????  Because they bought too many for their online dealers, and they didn't sell????

Could that be the reason????????????

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Re: Why can't Brunswick get lightening in a bottle again??
« Reply #48 on: November 26, 2008, 12:08:53 PM »
jls if you are paying $108+ for a MaxxX Zone from your distributor there is no way they are the lowest in the country.  If you are ordering one at a time then that's your own fault for paying that much, because I know some of the distributors where offering some pretty nice packages for the newer Brunswick realeases, includeing the MaxxX, Destruction, Swarm, Copperhead, and Slide.  And besides, why sit here an complain that you are paying $108 for a MaxxX from the Distributor when YOU can go online and get on in the shop for $107???

Stop you whining about the pricing and only post again if it actually has something to do with the ORIGINAL POST.  

TheDude, I'm with you on the absolute, i thought it was a great ball, and although i never had a classic, i did see alot of people throw it and really liked what i saw out of it.  But the Vapor i think is lightyears better than the absolute.  Same cover and in my opinion held up a lot better.  

I think Brunswick is trying to get back to the Inferno reaction a little with the release of the Smash Zone, and they are working on newer covers to create an edge.  As good as the Activator cover was, in the high performance market, other companies caught up, so they need to try new things to get back ahead.  
And JustRico is right on with the 3 new Big B pieces, they are a definite different look to the Brunswick line, still have to same heavy roll characterstics but the coverstocks just read the lane so much truer than anything I've seen. By this i mean you won't get the over-exaggerated squirt in oil or jump off friction.

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Re: Why can't Brunswick get lightening in a bottle again??
« Reply #49 on: November 26, 2008, 12:10:28 PM »
JLS I was just pointing out what my experience had been. Yeah there will always be a ball here there that is as you say. But many you are able to get cheaper then what it is being sold online for. Now as I stated in my previous post I am not defending EITHER Brunswick or Ebonite. I am in no position to say who is doing right and who is doing wrong. From what I have seen BOTH companies are doing very well. The price thing with Ebonite as I stated is still a work in progress. Will it be something that all companies follow at some point possibly. Will it be something that falls apart possibly. In time we will know what they will do. To jump and say Ebonite is right and all others are wrong for not following is a little rash at this point.
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Re: Why can't Brunswick get lightening in a bottle again??
« Reply #50 on: November 26, 2008, 02:24:22 PM »
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jls if you are paying $108+ for a MaxxX Zone from your distributor there is no way they are the lowest in the country.  If you are ordering one at a time then that's your own fault for paying that much, because I know some of the distributors where offering some pretty nice packages for the newer Brunswick realeases, includeing the MaxxX, Destruction, Swarm, Copperhead, and Slide.  And besides, why sit here an complain that you are paying $108 for a MaxxX from the Distributor when YOU can go online and get on in the shop for $107???

Stop you whining about the pricing and only post again if it actually has something to do with the ORIGINAL POST.  

TheDude, I'm with you on the absolute, i thought it was a great ball, and although i never had a classic, i did see alot of people throw it and really liked what i saw out of it.  But the Vapor i think is lightyears better than the absolute.  Same cover and in my opinion held up a lot better.  

I think Brunswick is trying to get back to the Inferno reaction a little with the release of the Smash Zone, and they are working on newer covers to create an edge.  As good as the Activator cover was, in the high performance market, other companies caught up, so they need to try new things to get back ahead.  
And JustRico is right on with the 3 new Big B pieces, they are a definite different look to the Brunswick line, still have to same heavy roll characterstics but the coverstocks just read the lane so much truer than anything I've seen. By this i mean you won't get the over-exaggerated squirt in oil or jump off friction.



OH PLEASE get a life,  that is a one time package offer,  big deal you get $65 back.

Now oh wise one,  you tell me who is selling the Maxxx Zone cheaper.
You talk stupid talk, that package is a one time offer.

Now list the dist, that you think are selling it for less.

Buy one ball at a time!!!!  Your an idiot.

Now go eat at taco city and then get back to me with all of those dist. you claim are selling the Maxx Zone for less.  After the one time package deal.

What an idiot.  

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Re: Why can't Brunswick get lightening in a bottle again??
« Reply #51 on: November 26, 2008, 02:31:00 PM »
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JLS I was just pointing out what my experience had been. Yeah there will always be a ball here there that is as you say. But many you are able to get cheaper then what it is being sold online for. Now as I stated in my previous post I am not defending EITHER Brunswick or Ebonite. I am in no position to say who is doing right and who is doing wrong. From what I have seen BOTH companies are doing very well. The price thing with Ebonite as I stated is still a work in progress. Will it be something that all companies follow at some point possibly. Will it be something that falls apart possibly. In time we will know what they will do. To jump and say Ebonite is right and all others are wrong for not following is a little rash at this point.
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Not saying it is right or wrong,  saying that at least Ebonite has the f-ing you know whats to stand up to certain dist.  and help pro shops.

Now when you say they are both doing well!!!!

Are you f-ing kidding me.

The whole f-ing industry is hurting. No one is doing well.

Do you read the papers/  The ecomomy is in the toilet.  And no bowling ball company is kicking butt.  Maybe Global is doing ok,  but I know of none that are busting any sales records.

Just ask your boys at Brunswick if any dist. own them money?????

See if you can get an answer.


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Re: Why can't Brunswick get lightening in a bottle again??
« Reply #52 on: November 26, 2008, 03:32:09 PM »
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jls if you are paying $108+ for a MaxxX Zone from your distributor there is no way they are the lowest in the country.  If you are ordering one at a time then that's your own fault for paying that much, because I know some of the distributors where offering some pretty nice packages for the newer Brunswick realeases, includeing the MaxxX, Destruction, Swarm, Copperhead, and Slide.  And besides, why sit here an complain that you are paying $108 for a MaxxX from the Distributor when YOU can go online and get on in the shop for $107???

Stop you whining about the pricing and only post again if it actually has something to do with the ORIGINAL POST.  

TheDude, I'm with you on the absolute, i thought it was a great ball, and although i never had a classic, i did see alot of people throw it and really liked what i saw out of it.  But the Vapor i think is lightyears better than the absolute.  Same cover and in my opinion held up a lot better.  

I think Brunswick is trying to get back to the Inferno reaction a little with the release of the Smash Zone, and they are working on newer covers to create an edge.  As good as the Activator cover was, in the high performance market, other companies caught up, so they need to try new things to get back ahead.  
And JustRico is right on with the 3 new Big B pieces, they are a definite different look to the Brunswick line, still have to same heavy roll characterstics but the coverstocks just read the lane so much truer than anything I've seen. By this i mean you won't get the over-exaggerated squirt in oil or jump off friction.




Hey NoseofI,  are you still eating lunch at taco city????

Cause I, the stupid one am still waiting for that list of dist. selling the Maxxx zone cheaper the what I posted.

Or are you just another Big B brown nose.  All talk and no walk.

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Re: Why can't Brunswick get lightening in a bottle again??
« Reply #53 on: November 26, 2008, 03:35:30 PM »
JLS, chill out.....

I know we have had this conversation before.  Your passion is enjoyed and while I tend to agree with you your not helping the cause.  Ebonite has in my opinion stuck with there pricing plan and I think it has hurt them to a point.  Sure Columbia is selling well and Hammer is selling well but Ebo for the most part is not.  Pin Slasher might do some things to change that if it can get some publicity and best part about that is it is the medium price point.  Have a good thanksgiving "pitbull".

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Re: Why can't Brunswick get lightening in a bottle again??
« Reply #54 on: November 26, 2008, 03:45:03 PM »
Listen JLS every post you make just proves how ignorant you are.  Did you ever think that maybe I have a job that actually requires working instead of sitting in front of my computer in my tube socks, scrolling through posts waiting to make a post about internet pricing, or to just get in an arguement with someone?

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Re: Why can't Brunswick get lightening in a bottle again??
« Reply #55 on: November 26, 2008, 03:53:00 PM »
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Listen JLS every post you make just proves how ignorant you are.  Did you ever think that maybe I have a job that actually requires working instead of sitting in front of my computer in my tube socks, scrolling through posts waiting to make a post about internet pricing, or to just get in an arguement with someone?




So what you are saying is this,  you have a big mouth, you don't know what you are talking about. And I don't expect you to be providing us with a list of dist. selling the Maxx Zone cheaper then what I posted.  You know, me the guy that pays way too much.

In otherwords, you an idiot with a big mouth who can't back up his B.S.

And now all of a sudden, it's because you have a job!!!!

Ok,  take the weekend.  Get back to us on Monday.

You are a joke!!!


If you don't know what you are talking about,  maybe you should shut up.

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Re: Why can't Brunswick get lightening in a bottle again??
« Reply #56 on: November 26, 2008, 04:05:39 PM »
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JLS, chill out.....

I know we have had this conversation before.  Your passion is enjoyed and while I tend to agree with you your not helping the cause.  Ebonite has in my opinion stuck with there pricing plan and I think it has hurt them to a point.  Sure Columbia is selling well and Hammer is selling well but Ebo for the most part is not.  Pin Slasher might do some things to change that if it can get some publicity and best part about that is it is the medium price point.  Have a good thanksgiving "pitbull".



In highend balls Ebonite may have been behind.  But their Bash and Clash as well as The Tornado lines are doing well.  Now maybe the Striking motion will change that.  Not saying that their price plan is perfect.  Am saying that at least Ebonite stands up to the dist.  And they do appear to want to help pro shops.

Now in case some of you did not notice,  I said I was doing well with the Maxx zone.  Sold three in the last couple days.  And on todays order, I had 2 more on order, and they were back ordered.  So it appears that Big b is doing ok with this ball.

And I said we have no problems with the Twisted Fury line of balls. They are not selling online below pro shop cost!!!!!!  But for some reason, the Maxxx Zones are.  

"Pit Bull"   that has a nice ring to it.

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Re: Why can't Brunswick get lightening in a bottle again??
« Reply #57 on: November 26, 2008, 04:17:57 PM »
Before I even give you answers to the questions you so kindly asked, you need to know who you are talking to before you go making assumption like "broom closet turned into pro shop" or "big b brown noser"
So let me give you a little more insight so that you can have a rebuttal that will just add to your ignorant image.  
My bosses, Father and Son, own 3 proshops in the RI/South Eastern MA area.  Both the father and son are PBA members both have bowled or are bowling on tour at this time.  Both probably have more accomplishments in one year than you've had in your career.  I still help out part time at the shops, as I've been working in the field that I went to school for.  I myself am a PBA member, and have bowled numerous regionals along with the US Open.  
I am a Brunswick amateur staff member, and therefore will promote the product as my staff position warrants.  Yes I have always been partial to Brunswick, but did throw many other company products prior to being on staff.  And yes I will admit that for a period of time there were some very hit or miss Brunswick balls.  And I was part of the crowd that bought a Black Widow and a One.  So Big B Brown-Noser I think not, Big B Staff member YES.

So now to answer your so nicely asked questions.
We order from 3 distributors, Bowler's Supply, Ace Mitchell, and Kilganon's (i'm sure jls will have a comment on the spelling of this one).  But hey I don't do the ordering so I don't NEED to spell it right.  And we do purchase the MaxxX for under you're $108.  
And honestly, you really need to choose your battles better, considering you are NOT the only shop in the country that has to compete with the internet.  So why must you take over every post with a whiny rant of how a certain ball at a certain time is cheaper on the internet.  Use that to your advantage.  You charge people more for outside drillings, explain that you'll be able to offer them better service if they buy the ball through you.  But honestly if you treat your customers anything like you treat other posters on here, then I can see why you are so afraid of the internet business.  The proshop is a Services business not a wholesale business.  So you need to rethink your whining about the internet sells it cheaper than i can get it.  Well guess what, when a person buys a ball online, they get 0 service, just a product.  I'm sure I speak for a few people on hear in saying, please stop your whining about internet prices because its been around for years, every shop has to compete with it, and its going to stick around.  

Okay, so now that I've answered your questions and given you some insight, please honor me with your typical response of how stupid I, and everyone else that disagrees with you on here are, and also where the closest Taco City to RI is so that I may take your advice for my dinner.

It is sad that you must stoop to calling people complete idiots and swearing to get a point across.

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Re: Why can't Brunswick get lightening in a bottle again??
« Reply #58 on: November 26, 2008, 04:25:59 PM »
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Listen JLS every post you make just proves how ignorant you are.  Did you ever think that maybe I have a job that actually requires working instead of sitting in front of my computer in my tube socks, scrolling through posts waiting to make a post about internet pricing, or to just get in an arguement with someone?




So what you are saying is this,  you have a big mouth, you don't know what you are talking about. And I don't expect you to be providing us with a list of dist. selling the Maxx Zone cheaper then what I posted.  You know, me the guy that pays way too much.

In otherwords, you an idiot with a big mouth who can't back up his B.S.

And now all of a sudden, it's because you have a job!!!!

Ok,  take the weekend.  Get back to us on Monday.

You are a joke!!!


If you don't know what you are talking about,  maybe you should shut up.

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Wow, you really are pitiful.  I'm sorry that I couldn't answer your question within your "posting shotclock" because I actually have a job that requires me to work instead of hovering over BR making posts every 5 minutes.
The fact is that doing my job is more important going back and forth with you every 5 minutes when your not going to listen and just call me stupid with nothing to back that up.

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Re: Why can't Brunswick get lightening in a bottle again??
« Reply #59 on: November 26, 2008, 04:41:03 PM »
Typical east coaster.  You people out there in Teddy land really do think you are better then everyone.

Now exactly what is the price you claim they pay, since you don't do the ordering.

I said I pay $108.  Wow, will you say they pay $107.99.  The way you talk, you make it sound like they are paying $90 for the ball.  I don't think so Tim.

Most Dist. are within a few dollars of each other.

And what about that B.S. you posted about the so called package plan.  Again you make it sound like that is the norm!!!!  It's not.  It's a one time offer per shop,  better known as LIMIT ONE.

So take your time, cause I know you work, and get back to me when ever, with that price.  

And wipe the brown stuff off your nose.  You Big b people love to attack others.  but boy if someone dares to post anything about the Big B,  you get bent out of shape.  

Now go review and you will see that others brought up the Ebonite floor pricing plan.  Not me.  All I did was respond to it!!!!!

Is that ok with you???  Like I f-ing care!!!!

Remember,  take your time, cause I know you work, and get back to me with those prices,  especially since you don't do the ordering!!!!

what a joke

BTW, checked with one of your dist.  There high price is $116.70, my dist. high price is $108.00.  Now since I don't buy from them, I don't know what their low price would be.  But since their high price is about $5 higher, wild guess is that their low price will still be higher then my dist.

But I'm sure you will be clearing that up soon.  Take your time, cause we know you work.


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Re: Why can't Brunswick get lightening in a bottle again??
« Reply #60 on: November 26, 2008, 05:17:27 PM »
jls,

You really need to take it easy. This is just bowling.

Also, being that you say you are a pro shop, check out www.acemitchell.com. Maxx Zone IS less than $107 from a distributor that buys enough quantity.

I'm not knocking any other distributor. They buy what they think they can sell. But check ALL the facts before you go off.

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