Author Topic: Why can't Brunswick get lightening in a bottle again?? (Read 17879 times)

TheDude · « **on:** November 17, 2008, 03:34:05 PM »

After talking with a customer that still has an absolute inferno, many years after its original release, I got to thinking alot. He mentioned that he still liked the ball alot. I have had a change of heart over the course of 4 years with brunswick. Honestly, them going to mexico and the radical inferno really left a bad taste in my mouth.

For me its not a labour issue, because my political views not important to the issue but they needed to for many understandable reasons besides the point the move to mexico was neccessary and a neccessity.

For me, in my proshop they just havent been able to get that lightening in a bottle since the absolute inferno and classic zone.

The ball with a lower rg simple single desinty core, and strong cover that was sanded but still had alot of grip and finish in the backend, not loosing energy and easy to polish. Of course i speak of activator.

In my area as much as the ball companies think that centers are introducing new oils every single year, our area isn't. In the last 4 or 5 years the volume of units, and types of oil have stayed the same. Volumes havent increased, and all the products coming out constantly boasting stronger covers with more midlane bite and handle more oil, they really arent getting higher scores. A re-release of the absolute inferno i think would sell again so well it would be really the saving grace of brunswick.

Im not a crack pot or whackjob because i see first hand the products passing through the market and see the products sometimes are just a hard sell.

I know everyone will put in there two cents, but the following were duds, and have been either on special and have never been backordered. Which usually is a sign of a product selling out faster than a market can handle.

The radical was hit and miss, blast zone, all the furys, were surrounded with contraversy, and the twisted original has been offered to me by more than one distributor on a specials list.

I have been throwing the twisted fury destruction, lately and not really impressed. its backend is average and below average for the wholesale price performance.

I dont know if its the coverstock on it or the core, but if you were to take the activator and put that on any of the cores brunswick is making right now, how well would it react??

Honestly who would look at buying brunswick again if they put activator on some kind of decent core again? I certainly would again maybe. There brunswick stuff right now is the hardest sell on the ball wall. A new release from brunswick is struggling to create a buzz at all.

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JustRico · « **Reply #31 on:** November 21, 2008, 02:57:23 PM »

The thing to remember is that everything is cyclical, especially in bowling balls. As a wise man once told me, in regards to slumps and as bowling is concerned, is that you just want to bowl well between the slumps. Bowling balls are the same way. You want to ride the wave as long as you can. The last run that Brunswick had was a pretty good one. It started with the Original Inferno and ran through the Vapor Zone. Right now Hammer is on top, overall-4 Widows is a good run. It is amazing how many Cell solids were sold-AMAZING in regards to todays numbers. And, possibly, if it were not for the Cell, Storm may been a lot worse off. Every company has their turn. And again you just try to not be on the bottom too long, look what happened to Columbia. The EPX killed them.

A lot of times, those that pile on a company, usually, for whatever reason, have an ax to grind and do whatever they can to grind it. But as Robert posted, which was told to us by our original boss, IT'S ONLY BOWLING BALLS. We are not curing Cancer for gawd's sake.

The Destruction, Maxxx and Slide are 2 reactions that you will not find in other Brunswick bowling balls. The Maxxx does have the potential, with surface alterations to being a phenomenal bowling ball, reaction wise. It is just a matter if the consumers will allow it to be.

Again reaction and perception is in the eye of the beholder, as well as sales. And lightning is the same and can be different depending on where you reside, even in Canada!

Sorry for the rants, just some idle thoughts.
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Verbs · « **Reply #32 on:** November 21, 2008, 03:22:32 PM »

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Very,very well put Ric..

Or is it static weight?

Seriously though...
Well said. It is hard to explain that sometimes..

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Seriously, the Maxx Zone reminds me of when the original Inferno was introduced. The original Inferno was/is a great reacting ball, but it went through the pins differently than previous Brunswick balls. I see the same thing out of the Maxx Zone when used & surfaced properly.

MTD300, I will take exception to your statement that NOTHING compared/s to the Black Widow. While I respect you are entitled to your opinion, and the BW is a great ball, I really feel that the Vapor Zone is as good, if not superior, and longer lasting reactionwise as the Black Widow, in a side by side comparison.

Verbs
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Mike Austin · « **Reply #33 on:** November 21, 2008, 09:55:05 PM »

Brunsbob, Rico, Verbs,

You guys got it right on, can't really expand on the topic other than, I think the rolly Brunswick reaction helps the AVERAGE league bowler more than some of the other companies. MOST league bowlers don't have a lot of hand and/or high ball speed, B's balls rev up earlier and help those types of bowlers. Most of the readers of this site are NOT the average league bowler.

When I had my shop, I tried EVERYBODY'S bowling balls, I wanted to be well informed, so that I could best help my customers. But for my personal bowling balls when not on staff with Storm, I fell back on Brunswick and Storm. There just wasn't a lane condition that I couldn't conquer with a ball from one of these companies. If I couldn't, most likely nobody else was either. As far as the topic and Brunswick, I don't think there was one ball after the Original Inferno that I didn't like. Some more than others, but I could fill out my regional arsenal with Brunswick balls and have no holes. Thanks to Brunsbob and the Pro Source program, I did!! Sure, I had a Black Widow (2), The One, Infinite One..... but mostly Brunswick and Storm. When you take 15-20 balls to a regional, you can have a bunch!! LOL!!

Sitting in my garage right now I have two Strike Zones, Avalanche solid, Blast Zone that I got off Ebay, and need to reslug the thumbs, love my Brunswick pills.

jls · « **Reply #34 on:** November 25, 2008, 10:27:18 AM »

Don't have any problems with the Twisted Fury Sold or the Destruction, and the new Maxxx zone looks good. However the price of the Maxxx zone online is lower then what some pro shops pay for the ball.

It seems that Brunswick has decided not to follow the good lead of Ebonite.

Now since others have brought up the good sales of the Cell, as well as the Cell pearl. May I point out that the Cells and the Maxxx zones sell to the pro shops for about the same price. Yet the Cells online are about $12-$15 higher then what one can buy a Maxxx Zone for.

So it would not surprise me one bit to see strong sales in the pro shops on the Cell and Cell Pearls, compared to the Maxxx zone. Notice that I did not even bother to bring up the Smash or Ultra Zones.

However the new Maxxx looks good. We have sold a few so far. Waiting to see what kind of feedback we get on the ball. But so far, it to me, looks like a winner.

Of course it would be nice if Brunswick would take care of pro shops the way EBONITE does. Oh, but that would take guts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I guess if your selling private label balls to certain online dealers, then you can't do that>>> take care of pro shops with fair pricing the way Ebonite does.

BTW, since others brought up the stong sales of the Cell, Look out for the Virtual Gravity. This ball is going to be a major winner!!!!! oops
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jbuzz31 · « **Reply #35 on:** November 25, 2008, 10:46:15 AM »

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Prime Zone-Overseas Absolute Inferno
Vapor Zone
Red Zone
Total Inferno
Blue Alien-BRUNSWICK PORED
Ambush
Twisted Fury
Ultra Zone
These are ALL NIB.

I agree with you. I for ever reason scored better with activator covers. Even MORE with activator+. The twisted and ultra are the EXCEPTIONS. I despise the new covers starting with ebonites the one. They absorb oil way to fast, and it has continued over to the hammers and most others, with the exception of LANE MASTER, AND VISIONARY. I have 5 LANEMASTERS, (Conqueror, World Class Particle, Yeah Baby, Bullet and XXXL), 3 VISIONARY, (Granite Gargoyle, Violet Gargoyle-NIB, and Green Gargoyle-NIB). Storm has kinda lost me ever since the whole ball cracking away from the fingers episode.

I don't see the trend changing any time soon. The new balls are so strong the ball manufacturers have resorted to ALMOST all companies have gone to drillings with the pins very close to the VERTICAL grip line.

I am not a ball expert, I just know what works for me. I am more inconsistent with the big hooking balls. The BIG hook is sexier, but I score better and more consistent with OLDER less aggressive balls.

I still have a TRAUMA ER I love to use in the new fall leagues. When the lanes are inconsistent because of the rapid weather changes with humidity being foremost in my mind. I have heard the lane machine guy say it's not possible to see the change in the oil, I strongly disagree, why do the 2 end pairs of lanes leave the least consistent scores. I believe it the cold and humidity. I may be way off board here. That is what I see with my end of league, lane average sheet. (I have shot a 300 and 795 on 1 and 2), that is the exception.
These are just things I have noticed.

THESE ARE THE RANTS OF A RANDOM, VERY CLUTTERED MIND!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edited on 11/20/2008 4:41 PM

uh the bullet and XXXL are lane 1 not lane masters
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jls · « **Reply #36 on:** November 25, 2008, 10:59:28 AM »

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quote:
Prime Zone-Overseas Absolute Inferno
Vapor Zone
Red Zone
Total Inferno
Blue Alien-BRUNSWICK PORED
Ambush
Twisted Fury
Ultra Zone
These are ALL NIB.

I agree with you. I for ever reason scored better with activator covers. Even MORE with activator+. The twisted and ultra are the EXCEPTIONS. I despise the new covers starting with ebonites the one. They absorb oil way to fast, and it has continued over to the hammers and most others, with the exception of LANE MASTER, AND VISIONARY. I have 5 LANEMASTERS, (Conqueror, World Class Particle, Yeah Baby, Bullet and XXXL), 3 VISIONARY, (Granite Gargoyle, Violet Gargoyle-NIB, and Green Gargoyle-NIB). Storm has kinda lost me ever since the whole ball cracking away from the fingers episode.

I don't see the trend changing any time soon. The new balls are so strong the ball manufacturers have resorted to ALMOST all companies have gone to drillings with the pins very close to the VERTICAL grip line.

I am not a ball expert, I just know what works for me. I am more inconsistent with the big hooking balls. The BIG hook is sexier, but I score better and more consistent with OLDER less aggressive balls.

I still have a TRAUMA ER I love to use in the new fall leagues. When the lanes are inconsistent because of the rapid weather changes with humidity being foremost in my mind. I have heard the lane machine guy say it's not possible to see the change in the oil, I strongly disagree, why do the 2 end pairs of lanes leave the least consistent scores. I believe it the cold and humidity. I may be way off board here. That is what I see with my end of league, lane average sheet. (I have shot a 300 and 795 on 1 and 2), that is the exception.
These are just things I have noticed.

THESE ARE THE RANTS OF A RANDOM, VERY CLUTTERED MIND!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edited on 11/20/2008 4:41 PM

uh the bullet and XXXL are lane 1 not lane masters
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"uh the bullet and the xxxl are lane 1 not lane masters"

The XXXL is plastic!!!!! Wow a plastic ball that does not soak up oil!!!!

How did they do that, make a plastic ball that does not soak up oil?
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BrunsBob · « **Reply #37 on:** November 25, 2008, 09:40:38 PM »

jls, If you only knew how false your statements are about Ebonite protecting pro shops with pricing. There is not one company out there that is maintaining a minimum selling price restriction. Not one. Feel free to give distributors around the country a call and get their opinion on the subject.

I'm not trying to call you out or start any argument about this. I just know the facts about the pricing and that there is not a single ball company out there that is sticking to a minimum pricing. I will not go into detail on here because it does no good, but take the time to give the distributors a call and ask about it.

Believe me, being a shop owner myself, I can't stand the pricing I see on the internet sites, but it is not controlled by the ball companies. We all sell to distributors at set prices, what they turn around and sell it for is their option. A few distributors have ongoing arangements with the major internet sites that gives them this advantage.

Hope your shop has a great Holiday season.

Regards,

RoB LaW

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Slumpbuster · « **Reply #38 on:** November 25, 2008, 09:47:20 PM »

Are you on CRACK??!! Have you seen the price of NV series lately?? How about all other brands comming from the big E?? You really think it is protecting pro shops when the lady I go to says that as soon as they take a ball of their minimum wholesale list, that they can sell it to whoever (bowlingball.com) for how ever much, or little (under 100$) they want. Is that protecting the proshops that bought them for around the 120 they cost a month ago? If thats what you consider taking care, then i guess you are correct. I will agree that big B started that crap, but at least they never put out a fake price list that they can change at anytime.

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Of course it would be nice if Brunswick would take care of pro shops the way EBONITE does. Oh, but that would take guts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I guess if your selling private label balls to certain online dealers, then you can't do that>>> take care of pro shops with fair pricing the way Ebonite does.

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Edited on 11/25/2008 11:41 AM

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jls · « **Reply #39 on:** November 26, 2008, 08:52:08 AM »

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Are you on CRACK??!! Have you seen the price of NV series lately?? How about all other brands comming from the big E?? You really think it is protecting pro shops when the lady I go to says that as soon as they take a ball of their minimum wholesale list, that they can sell it to whoever (bowlingball.com) for how ever much, or little (under 100$) they want. Is that protecting the proshops that bought them for around the 120 they cost a month ago? If thats what you consider taking care, then i guess you are correct. I will agree that big B started that crap, but at least they never put out a fake price list that they can change at anytime.
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Of course it would be nice if Brunswick would take care of pro shops the way EBONITE does. Oh, but that would take guts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I guess if your selling private label balls to certain online dealers, then you can't do that>>> take care of pro shops with fair pricing the way Ebonite does.

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jls

Edited on 11/25/2008 11:41 AM

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Come AMF/900 or don't come at all!!

I think you are talking about discontinued balls. Ebonite lowers the floor pricing on those models. However all one has to do is look at the prices online on CURRENT models. I don't see any of them selling online for less then what a pro shop pays for them. <<< From Ebonite.

HOWEVER, the Maxxx Zone is a NEW release and it is selling for less online then what pro shops pay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I believe Brunswick's little buddies on the bowl.com are selling it for $107.99. I pay $108.40. SO I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ANY OF YOUR BRUNSWICK B.S. ABOUT HOW EBONITE ISN'T DOING WHAT THEY SAID THEY WOULD DO.

Check out the CURRENT prices on balls like Black Widows, the Sauce, Striking Motion, none of these are selling for less then what a pro shop pays!!!!!!!

This clown who brought up the NV series. Are you kidding me?

They are older then McCain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They are discontinued. Most Smart shops have long ago, cleared them out. So if you still have them in stock and are selling them for $229, your an idiot!!!!! We have not had them balls in stock for months!!!!!

Now I will say that the price of the Twisted Fury's online is decent, not footballed,>>>> yet!!!!

But your stupud talk about how Ebonite is not doing what they say, is just that.

All one has to do is go online and check out their NEW models. And the prices are NOT BELOW PRO SHOP COST>>>>> like the MAXXX ZOne is!!!!!!!!!!!!

now

are we clear

"on crack" >>> what an idiot
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Verbs · « **Reply #40 on:** November 26, 2008, 09:25:58 AM »

jls,

I work for a MAJOR distributor in eastern part of the U.S.

What BrunsBob is saying is true. Ebonite "removed" the NVD (plus The One), which was released just this past summer, from their "minimum wholesale price" restriction within the last month. Which pretty much turns that into a discontinued ball.

I can assure you that Brunswick DOES NOT sell in-line, first quality product to internet sites. What your seeing from Bowl.com is their buying power through distributors.

I would be curious to ask what you are paying for NVD's now?

Verbs
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jls · « **Reply #41 on:** November 26, 2008, 10:19:32 AM »

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jls,

I work for a MAJOR distributor in eastern part of the U.S.

What BrunsBob is saying is true. Ebonite "removed" the NVD (plus The One), which was released just this past summer, from their "minimum wholesale price" restriction within the last month. Which pretty much turns that into a discontinued ball.

I can assure you that Brunswick DOES NOT sell in-line, first quality product to internet sites. What your seeing from Bowl.com is their buying power through distributors.

I would be curious to ask what you are paying for NVD's now?

Verbs
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Larry Verble

Larry, did you even bother to read my post? I said very clearly that Ebonite
removes discontinued balls from their floor pricing list. The NVD's and that whole series of NV's are dead in the water. And the One was a total flop. So yes those balls have been removed from their list. MY point is CURRENT balls.
We can't expect a ball maker never to reduce a ball. May I remind you of the Fury last Oct of 07. $99 online. And Brunswick did not even have a replacement ball out. The Twisted Fury Solid did not come out for almost 9 months after the Fury closeout!!!!!

Now most companies have a new model ready before they closeout their only oil ball in that line. { Fury line } I don't want to hear about the Blast Zone!!!
So Larry you can pick at Ebonite all you want. But they are and have helped pro shops. And I don't care a rats butt what you, an east coast dist. who probably supplies online dealers, thinks or says.

are we clear now
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jls

sdbowler · « **Reply #42 on:** November 26, 2008, 10:35:54 AM »

I remember when I was running a center back in Sioux Falls and ordering items for the pro shop. The company that I would do the bulk of my ordering from give discounts the more you bought from them. When I left a few years ago we were able to buy our equipment at a lower price then what the public could buy online. Maybe JLS you need to get a different distributor. If your prices are that high from them I think you need to look around. I don't know how many places you get from but man I think you are getting hosed. I am not defending Brunswick or Ebonite. The price bickering has been going on for along time. The whole Ebonite pricing scale is still pretty new I think we need to allow some more time to pass before we all pass judgement on it. I guess I still think it is funny that everyone will jump on Brunswick for their prices but won't say anything about other companies.
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Slumpbuster · « **Reply #43 on:** November 26, 2008, 11:11:59 AM »

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Are you on CRACK??!! Have you seen the price of NV series lately?? How about all other brands comming from the big E?? You really think it is protecting pro shops when the lady I go to says that as soon as they take a ball of their minimum wholesale list, that they can sell it to whoever (bowlingball.com) for how ever much, or little (under 100$) they want. Is that protecting the proshops that bought them for around the 120 they cost a month ago? If thats what you consider taking care, then i guess you are correct. I will agree that big B started that crap, but at least they never put out a fake price list that they can change at anytime.
quote:

Of course it would be nice if Brunswick would take care of pro shops the way EBONITE does. Oh, but that would take guts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I guess if your selling private label balls to certain online dealers, then you can't do that>>> take care of pro shops with fair pricing the way Ebonite does.

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jls

Edited on 11/25/2008 11:41 AM

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Come AMF/900 or don't come at all!!

I think you are talking about discontinued balls. Ebonite lowers the floor pricing on those models. However all one has to do is look at the prices online on CURRENT models. I don't see any of them selling online for less then what a pro shop pays for them. <<< From Ebonite.

HOWEVER, the Maxxx Zone is a NEW release and it is selling for less online then what pro shops pay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I believe Brunswick's little buddies on the bowl.com are selling it for $107.99. I pay $108.40. SO I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ANY OF YOUR BRUNSWICK B.S. ABOUT HOW EBONITE ISN'T DOING WHAT THEY SAID THEY WOULD DO.

Check out the CURRENT prices on balls like Black Widows, the Sauce, Striking Motion, none of these are selling for less then what a pro shop pays!!!!!!!

This clown who brought up the NV series. Are you kidding me? They are older then McCain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They are discontinued. Most Smart shops have long ago, cleared them out. So if you still have them in stock and are selling them for $229, your an idiot!!!!! We have not had them balls in stock for months!!!!!

Now I will say that the price of the Twisted Fury's online is decent, not footballed,>>>> yet!!!!

But your stupud talk about how Ebonite is not doing what they say, is just that.

All one has to do is go online and check out their NEW models. And the prices are NOT BELOW PRO SHOP COST>>>>> like the MAXXX ZOne is!!!!!!!!!!!!

now

are we clear

"on crack" >>> what an idiot
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jls

YOU are the idiot!!! What does it matter if they're still selling cheaper online, when at the snap of their fingers (like the NVD) they can remove it and SCREW shops that bought into packages. They give you the false notion of protection on their "current line" but what about shops that stocked up on product like an nvd or like the one, and are now stuck with them? A rant like yours is NOT being fair. Ebonite is doing what Brunswick is doing, just being sneaky about it. Yes the fury's have been a disaster, as far as online pricing but that's the reputation they have, so it has shied pro shops away from buying large # of these balls. Ebonite gives you the fake protection that you can stock up and wont be undercut, until l you order 2 cases of NVDs for around 120 a pop and now people can get them online for under 100. Its the SAME THING! Lets take the new striking motion, buy 2 cases of them, and in 2 days/weeks/months whos to say that ebonite wont say "well, this isn't doing what we wanted it to, lets kill it" and they pop up for 99 shipped on bowlingball.com ?? Maybe if you're only carrying product from KY, but what about shops that carry more than that company? How about not carrying either?
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pinspeaker · « **Reply #44 on:** November 26, 2008, 11:22:52 AM »

So how come you don't use the internet sites as your distributor if their prices are so much cheaper than your regular distributor? Just wondering.

jls · « **Reply #45 on:** November 26, 2008, 11:24:39 AM »

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I remember when I was running a center back in Sioux Falls and ordering items for the pro shop. The company that I would do the bulk of my ordering from give discounts the more you bought from them. When I left a few years ago we were able to buy our equipment at a lower price then what the public could buy online. Maybe JLS you need to get a different distributor. If your prices are that high from them I think you need to look around. I don't know how many places you get from but man I think you are getting hosed. I am not defending Brunswick or Ebonite. The price bickering has been going on for along time. The whole Ebonite pricing scale is still pretty new I think we need to allow some more time to pass before we all pass judgement on it. I guess I still think it is funny that everyone will jump on Brunswick for their prices but won't say anything about other companies.
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Sod, My dist. probably has the lowest prices in the country. I buy at their gold level, which is their lowest prices. Plus my dist. does not sell to online dealers!!!!!!

I would put their prices and service and inventory up against anyone in the business.

You are not talking to some idiot who just started in the business. I have been doing this for well over three weeks now!!!!!

Again, all one has to do is go to any online dealers site. And check out the prices on Ebonites New Current balls. They are not footballed!!!!!

But as I have said, the NV line and the One have been DQ. And they have been removed from the floor pricing policy.

But the Maxx Zone is a brand new release, and it is selling for $107.99, and that sir is lower then most dist. sell the ball for to pro shops.

Find a dist. that is selling a Maxx zone for less then that.

I don't think so "Tim"

As I pointed out, the Maxxx zone is in the same price range as a Venom or Cell Pearl, yet they sell for about $10- $12 higher online!!!!!

Brunswick likes to talk the talk about helping pro shops, they just don't walk the walk.

And if you or anyone else at "taco city" don't like that, well that is just too bad.

BTW, they moved to Mexico to lower their cost. Yet their prices on balls have not gone down.

So they moved, cut their cost and did nothing to reduce the cost of their balls.

Nice, nice, very nice.

Customers always ask, "why is there a sticker on their balls that says, made in Mexico" well now, could that be, because they forgot to engrave on the balls, where they are made? And got caught by the Feds?

Was Big B ashammed that their balls are made in Mexico, was that the reason that so many of them now need little stickers on them saying, "made in Mexico"

Ebonite does not have that problem, their balls say "made in the USA"
or "Made in China"

But lets knock Ebonite because they have floor pricing to try and help pro shops!!!!!
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