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BallsDeep

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Ambush drilled mild
« on: June 27, 2006, 02:09:14 PM »
I was wondering if anyone has slapped a 2 1/2" pin to pap drill on an ambush.  I have some mild stuff, PG, Sahara, PG Dry/r, and XXXL, but all ecept the XXXL which is for really dry tend to be strong on the backend.  While I like this reaction for the typical ths, the stuff doesn't really perform to well on most dryer sport shots.

My father had a Real Deal punched up with this drill and it seems very controllable, but being an asym I am a bit skeptical about putting it on the Ambush.  I figure that although the Ambush is fairly strong, this drilling may keep it tame and considering that the ball is even by nature it should offer a different reaction.
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Re: Ambush drilled mild
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2006, 11:13:40 PM »
I have a 15lb 4 oz Ambush that is drilled 3-3/8 inch from my PAP.  It is a 3 inch pin ball, the pin ends up directly under my ring finger and almost touching it.  I am a low rev player so I stay behind the ball, stand at about 3 board with right foot, and throw between 1st and 2nd arrows.  This ball is a killer after my heavy oil ball (Action goes away)  It is light load Particle with a little pearl mixed in, does not have a big backend. An arcing type of ball.  My pro drilled it this way so it would start up a little sooner on oil, but still have some length and handle carrydown conditions.

My feeling is if you drilled it up 2-1/2 inches from your PAP that it would start up too quick.  When lanes get too dry this thing will really hook, and I have to put it away.  That drilling might work on really heavy oil if you
don't have a lot of speed.  

I had a Columbia Detour with the exact same drilling 2-1/2 inches from PAP because the guy that drilled it screwed it up (not the guy I use now)  I grew to hate that ball because it started up way too soon and jumped when it hit dry.

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ps I was just thinking that if you had it drilled maybe 4 to 4-1/2 inches from PAP and just above fingers it would go a little longer, and smoother. But maybe ask your pro to see what he thinks.  I am thinking about getting an Absolute Inferno drilled like that.

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BallsDeep

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Re: Ambush drilled mild
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2006, 11:36:34 PM »
Thanks for the reply.  I don't have much experience with the Ambush and I stick to mostly asyms.  For an asym a 2 1/2" drilling is a low flaring even rolling drill.  I guess it would be pretty strong if on a symmetrical core though.  How does a 5 1/2" layout sound.  I figure that 4" would be too strong.  Do you figure that the Ambush could conceivably be for drier.  When i say drier, think mild pearl a la power groove drilled to its most dynamic position (3 3/4 or 4" pin to pap), as far as hook potential and more control at the breakpoint.
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Re: Ambush drilled mild
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2006, 12:02:41 AM »
I bowled tonight at a synthetic house with a very tough shot. I couldn't even start out with my Columbia Action, it was more of a medium shot.  I bowled 204,192 and 158 with Ambush (stayed with it 1 game too long).  I don't have a medium ball right now so I used it extra game, then switched to Columbia Flipside Panic for a 196, 182, then used a 14 lb Brunswick Punisher for a 182.  There is a hole in my arsenal between Ambush and Flipside Panic, if that gives you an idea about the ball.  Even though it is pearl, it is still a lightly loaded particle which makes it a little aggressive.  It only has a little pearl mixed in to give it a smooth transition between oil and dry and to smooth out reaction on carrydown.  If you look at Brunswicks hook charts you will see it is similar in length and hook to some of the medium infernos.
I have a lot of ball speed and I can't use this ball for dry lanes.  Look at Bowlingball.com website to see drilling patterns for Brunswick.  They also give you a sheet with each ball.  

Brunswick recommends this ball for medium dry to medium oily lanes.  Even with my speed it plays for me on medium oil to medium-heavy.  A 5-1/2 inch drilling like you mention (with  a pin out from cg 3-1/2 to 5 inches) with pin over fingers would give you length, minimum hook according to Brunswick chart.

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ps I really like this ball, it doesn't jump when it hits dry, just hooks too much as the lanes dry out.  If you can play inside lane, you could probably stay with ball longer than I can.

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Re: Ambush drilled mild
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2006, 12:44:06 AM »
Thanks.  I am so used to asyms that I proposed the 2 1/2" layout as very mild.  I think I'll go with that 5 1/2" layout as I'm really looking for a ball that will be mild.  I thought of his ball because I want something that will offer a different look than pearl reactives.  I figured that the particle will smooth out the ball motion.  There are very few particle balls out right now that are fairly mild.  

I asked the question because I have heard alot of different things about the ball as far as hook potential.  Thanks for your clarifications of the hook that the ball offers.  It seems as though with a strong drill, like the one you described, the ball handles med/hvy, but with drilling modifications it can be the controllable ball I'm looking for.  If I can get the funds I'll put a review up.  Thanks for all your help.
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Re: Ambush drilled mild
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2006, 11:24:17 AM »
You're welcome.  I really like this ball.  For me it wouldn't be bad to have a second one drilled weaker like you are talking about. It is a really smooth rolling ball, doesn't over react.

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Re: Ambush drilled mild
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2006, 03:17:02 PM »
I was actually thinking the sme thing, a high pin would probably foster a long and strong ball motion, as it may get through the heads too cleand and tip on the backend.  What pin distance approximatly would allow that weight hole position?
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Re: Ambush drilled mild
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2006, 04:55:06 PM »
Thanks.  I know that it can vary, but i was just trying to get a ball park idea.
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Re: Ambush drilled mild
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2006, 10:46:06 PM »
For my summer 2 ball challenge which is played on all 5 pba patterns I drilled an Ambush 6 inches from my pap with the pin above the middle finger. I've had better luck with it than the Vapor Zone on these patterns. It's smooth down the line, doesn't overreact and hits very hard. So far we've played on the Viper, Shark and Scorpion. I'm sitting in 12th place out of 54.

I also have 2 other Ambushes. One drilled above the ring and one below both about 4 1/2 inches from my pap.

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Re: Ambush drilled mild
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2006, 12:13:43 AM »
Chris a 2.5" layout is good on a Ambush the only thing you can get up some hit and once you get some carry down you will diffently give up some hit. I have put this layout in some balls and added a nice size X-hole 3" deep 1" pass the axis to give it some pop.
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Re: Ambush drilled mild
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2006, 02:13:46 PM »
Do you think that'll be enough length.  I'm looking for something that'll offer similar hook potential to the Sahara with length and an even arcing backend.  I'll probably be in the shop soon anyways so I'll talk to you more there.
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Re: Ambush drilled mild
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2006, 04:15:23 PM »
cool, by the way AWESOME HOOKS will be in on Monday.
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Re: Ambush drilled mild
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2006, 05:12:53 PM »
Wallshot, are you the same wallshot that's on the Minnesota Bowling Forum?
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