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Title: crazy11 aka matt wagar part II
Post by: Rev_O on May 05, 2004, 02:54:26 AM
well, here we go again. after he failed to sign the MO he sent me, we agreed upon him mailing me the MO receipt, and he agreed to give me $10 more for my trouble. the last message i got from him was to say "it will be here tuesday". Well, it's wednesday now, and still no money or MO receipt. EVERYONE AVOID THIS CHILD!!
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Title: Re: crazy11 aka matt wagar part II
Post by: JOE FALCO on May 05, 2004, 06:02:44 PM
Looks like he's digging a nice HOLE for himself!
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Title: Re: crazy11 aka matt wagar part II
Post by: BowlingDude300 on May 05, 2004, 06:17:13 PM
They need to be able to block people like him from this site...
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Title: Re: crazy11 aka matt wagar part II
Post by: Rev_O on May 05, 2004, 08:25:11 PM
yes, i agree 100%. there should be an age limit here.
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Title: Re: crazy11 aka matt wagar part II
Post by: lilmike2782 on May 05, 2004, 08:39:33 PM
the hardest thing to do with setting an age limit is that there is no way to actually tell if they are "of age".  websites do that with credit card info, but who i really going to give up their info for a bowling website.  

steve, i am not playing devil's advocate with you.  i totally agree.  its just going to be hard to prove that you are of age.  people can just lie about who they are just like matt did, time and time again.  

if someone comes up with a way, let us know.  i don't want to get screwed by some punk as much as anyone else doesn't.  

steve, i think you should drive down to matt's house and take the money and the "principal" of doing good business out of his butt.  lol, j/k

mike
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Title: Re: crazy11 aka matt wagar part II
Post by: Rev_O on May 05, 2004, 10:36:10 PM
i understand it would be hard to do the age thing. I'm just frustrated. I am tired of getting lied to by the immature on here. 99% of the users on here are cool, but that 1% makes it terrible for all of us.

Matt was a con man all along. He has a friend send and receive his balls so that you cant track his address or name. He then sends out MO without a return address or signature. Heck, he wouldn't even give me a phone number, after i gave him mine and told him to call me.

Since this is a public forum, and not ebay, it would be extremely hard to ban someone unless they were doing something to make the site itself look bad. I know they have the ability to block his IP addy, but i'm sure they want just cause b4 they would do such a thing.

Everyone please just be honest with one another when trading or selling used balls/equipment. If it's been plugged or resurfaced, disclose that to the interested party. You'll sleep better at night knowing you did the right thing.
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"I only have 3 boards to work with, and they all have arrows on them!!"
Title: Re: crazy11 aka matt wagar part II
Post by: Rev_O on May 05, 2004, 11:01:06 PM
just to let everyone know, i just got off the phone with Matt's mom. she is NOT a happy camper right now. He was in bed already, but she's gonna "CHAT" with him first thing tomorrow.

if anyone else has ever had an issue with him that you have not received you money or ball, please contact me and i will give you the info.


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Rev-O


"I only have 3 boards to work with, and they all have arrows on them!!"
Title: Re: crazy11 aka matt wagar part II
Post by: Rev_O on May 06, 2004, 12:48:26 PM
ttt
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Rev-O


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Title: Re: crazy11 aka matt wagar part II
Post by: card79 on May 06, 2004, 01:19:29 PM
see this is part of the problem with todays society.  Mom is not a happy camper and Matt is probably thinking big freakin deal.  How many times has she been called now.  Quite a few if i remember.  I can tell you one thing when i was his age you would have only had to call my parents once.  Maybe as parents we should start sending the appropriate messages in the right way again.
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Title: Re: crazy11 aka matt wagar part II
Post by: Juggernaut on May 06, 2004, 06:27:29 PM
HEY, CRAZY 11,

  You, uh, don't happen to work at FEDEX, do ya?
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Title: Re: crazy11 aka matt wagar part II
Post by: MTFD24 on May 06, 2004, 11:40:54 PM
She couldn't be too "ticked off" as she still allows computer/internet use. Has she heard yet of the camera deal you offered? That wasn't an attempt at a "rip-off" now was it?

Any bets to when matt shows up again? And under what name?
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Title: Re: crazy11 aka matt wagar part II
Post by: card79 on May 06, 2004, 11:49:24 PM
The worst part is he thinks everyone is so stupid he just keeps feeding the lines.
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Title: Re: crazy11 aka matt wagar part II
Post by: Rev_O on May 07, 2004, 02:19:56 AM
also, his mum told me he's only 16, not 17 or 19 like he's claimed on here b4
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Rev-O


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Title: Re: crazy11 aka matt wagar part II
Post by: LuckyLefty on May 07, 2004, 06:02:52 AM
The problem with age restriction is as noted above.

People can lie on the internet and get away with it.

I mean frankly one could end "statuatory dealing".

"Well officer, before I offerred to buy that Throttle up, she told me she was 18!"

Ok, guy, done to the station!  She was only 15!

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS in general I HATE dealing with kids under 18.  ALWAYS or almost always a pain.
Title: Re: crazy11 aka matt wagar part II
Post by: card79 on May 07, 2004, 08:34:25 AM
I will put 250 in the pot.  Course when the lies hit more lies who knows what he is saying.  I think the big question in my mind.  Is he actually starting to believe his own lies?

Shot Wota I want no time with the boy.  I certainly isn't his fault he is so ignorant of the ways to tell the truth and be honest.  I want my time to stomp a mud hole in them thar parents he has that neglected their job.


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Title: Re: crazy11 aka matt wagar part II
Post by: nd300 on May 07, 2004, 09:10:49 AM
He doesn't have a way to get to the store??????
 How about the shoe leather express??????????????
 I.E.---------WALK YOUR LAZY BUTT TO THE POST OFFICE OR THE MAILBOX IF YOU ALREADY AHVE IT IN THE ENVELOPE-----WITH A STAMP,RETURN ADDY AND THE SIGNED MONEY ORDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 Oh,Matt-------your village called--their idiot is missing!!!
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Title: Re: crazy11 aka matt wagar part II
Post by: SrKegler on May 07, 2004, 06:03:05 PM
Talk about ethics, Matt had the opportunity to just have Doug Sterner send the money order from him on to Shaggy.  That would have cleared up on transaction.  Now I see he is still buying a ball from Doug, meanwhile Steve and Shaggy are just screwed.  I would have cleared up all my old mistakes before buying another ball.

What is a shame is I've dealt with both of these guys, great people who bend over backwards to accomodate you.

Just hate to see a "friend" get burned.
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Title: Re: crazy11 aka matt wagar part II
Post by: Rev_O on May 08, 2004, 02:46:11 AM
yes, doug sent matt the gold nugget


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Rev-O


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Title: Re: crazy11 aka matt wagar part II
Post by: bowler257628 on May 09, 2004, 05:13:59 PM
Crazy your giving kids a bad name. I personally wouldnt rip anyone off, I personally dont trade or sell on this site for this matter. All I have to say to you is If you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything. Just tell the truth chief.
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Title: Re: crazy11 aka matt wagar part II
Post by: Rev_O on May 09, 2004, 09:05:51 PM
i agree with you king, but i did talk to his mum. still no money yet, but when i called back on friday to talk to matt, he assured me his mum took him postal to send it.

he's a very troubled kid, that's for sure. he trades balls that not in as described, wrong weight and such, then doesn't promptly send out money orders, then when he does, he doesn't put his name, addy, or sign the stupid thing. He's always trying to hide his identity, and always has an excuse when you call him on something.

i hope his mom does take away his computer. he's only 16, not 19, or 17 like he claimed he was. Age is no excuse!!!

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Rev-O


"I only have 3 boards to work with, and they all have arrows on them!!"

Edited on 5/9/2004 9:00 PM
Title: Re: crazy11 aka matt wagar part II
Post by: Rev_O on May 10, 2004, 03:42:13 PM
once again, still nothing today. I'm REALLY tired of getting lied to!!!!
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Rev-O


"I only have 3 boards to work with, and they all have arrows on them!!"
Title: Re: crazy11 aka matt wagar part II
Post by: Rev_O on May 11, 2004, 07:50:26 PM
no money today either
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Rev-O


"I only have 3 boards to work with, and they all have arrows on them!!"
Title: Re: crazy11 aka matt wagar part II
Post by: MTFD24 on May 12, 2004, 02:48:08 PM
Rev, sad to say the saga continues
Hope you get the money, and hope Shaggy gets his as well.
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Title: Re: crazy11 aka matt wagar part II
Post by: Rev_O on May 12, 2004, 06:37:41 PM
same old same old, no money, and now they wont answer the phone. i really hate to call there local authorities over $10, butt......
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Rev-O


"I only have 3 boards to work with, and they all have arrows on them!!"
Title: Re: crazy11 aka matt wagar part II
Post by: MadMax on May 12, 2004, 09:54:50 PM
Well, maybe Doug got settled with Matt but if you remember
I started a post on this little punk.  A special order ball
, I got stuck with the shipping and restocking fee, plus a
loss on another sale of a ball I had at the shop!  I'm not
through with you yet, change your name a 100 times Matt.
Doug should have got the police involved the last time but
just remember what was said.  You got smart with me on here,
and I told you then, this Navy Vet. will come up there and
IT'S your ASS!  If Mom don't like it have Her call Me, you
don't live that far, Pay your Debts.
MadMax
Title: Re: crazy11 aka matt wagar part II
Post by: Rev_O on May 13, 2004, 07:56:13 PM
imagine that, no money today either!!!!!!!!!!
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Title: Re: crazy11 aka matt wagar part II
Post by: Rev_O on May 14, 2004, 05:57:21 AM
ttt
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Title: Re: crazy11 aka matt wagar part II
Post by: Rev_O on May 14, 2004, 08:05:22 PM
same old same old
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Title: Re: crazy11 aka matt wagar part II
Post by: HamPster on May 14, 2004, 09:08:35 PM
I could be wrong, but there seems to be a pattern here . .
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Title: Re: crazy11 aka matt wagar part II
Post by: Rev_O on May 15, 2004, 09:18:05 PM
no money, no answer of phone.

i could have walked to michigan and back by now.


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Title: Re: crazy11 aka matt wagar part II
Post by: a_ak57 on May 15, 2004, 09:26:32 PM
Where is this idiot?  Michigan?  Well, I can visit my relatives in toronto, and "happen to stop by"......with a baseball bat and disposal() bag or not is to be decided yet.....

Just please don't ban minors.  I haven't done anything bad and I've had three deals, flawlessly.  In fact, soon I'm getting a Thing Returns from Doug Sterner as my birthday present from my parents!  (Yep, I'm finally turning 4! )

Besides, what happens when he (or any other con) turns 18?  He's not going to be ANY more trustworthy just because of a number.
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Edited on 5/15/2004 9:25 PM
Title: Re: crazy11 aka matt wagar part II
Post by: MTFD24 on May 15, 2004, 09:59:24 PM
AKA, as I stated in another post, I do the actual transactions for my son. Although he is 100% trustworthy, and has money, the age thing becomes a LEGAL issue. So hence, to make anyone feel more secure, and myself feel more secure, I will only deal with a legal adult. Nothing against you personally, and yes, I would deal with you....through your parent.

This has come down to where this Matt Wagar, and his parents (legally responsible through his computer activity!), owes not only Rev, but Shaggy and Mad Maxx! Maybe more we aren't aware of as well. This saga continues, and unfortunately there does not seem to be any end to it. He will probably slip on through, and use another name to obtain more goods.


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Title: Re: crazy11 aka matt wagar part II
Post by: a_ak57 on May 15, 2004, 10:18:45 PM
Yeah, I let my parents do the money part.  I handle the actual ball part (they don't know anything about bowling ).  But people were saying to ban minors from coming to the site, and that's not really fair.
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Title: Re: crazy11 aka matt wagar part II
Post by: Rev_O on May 16, 2004, 12:18:51 PM
funny thing now, just like b4, he claims mom sent it out and it's in the mail. give me a break kid.



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Title: Re: crazy11 aka matt wagar part II
Post by: Rev_O on May 18, 2004, 09:22:56 PM
still nothing
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Title: Re: crazy11 aka matt wagar part II
Post by: card79 on May 19, 2004, 10:41:33 AM
Dang I thought today would be the day.  Anybody knwo what he has changed his username too.
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Title: Re: crazy11 aka matt wagar part II
Post by: livespive on May 19, 2004, 10:47:40 AM
If this kid is in MI, and you are in OH,
I would just drive up and collect.
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Title: Re: crazy11 aka matt wagar part II
Post by: card79 on May 19, 2004, 10:50:33 AM
Eric I am with ya my man.  I would have been worth the drive by now i think
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Title: Re: crazy11 aka matt wagar part II
Post by: livespive on May 19, 2004, 10:53:53 AM
OH yeah, seeing as he has probably spent at least that much
in phone calls and asprin  Not to mention time is money.
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Title: Re: crazy11 aka matt wagar part II
Post by: card79 on May 19, 2004, 12:12:06 PM
Just don't offer to go share margarita's with the kid and tell story's about growing up misunderstood in michigan.
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Title: Re: crazy11 aka matt wagar part II
Post by: Rev_O on May 20, 2004, 02:04:53 AM
well, the $10 and the MO receipt finally arrived. looking back thru my messages from crazy11, he stated on May 1st that "today should be the day it arrives". Funny thing is, the envelope is postmarked MAY 17th, 2004. that's about 18 days after he claims to have sent it. well, anyway, it finally came.

if you read this shaggy, please let us know if you got any of your money yet.

thanks
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"I only have 3 boards to work with, and they all have arrows on them!!"

Title: Re: crazy11 aka matt wagar part II
Post by: Rev_O on May 21, 2004, 03:33:03 AM
ttt
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Title: Re: crazy11 aka matt wagar part II
Post by: JOE FALCO on May 21, 2004, 08:40:33 AM
REV .. just for clarification .. Am I correct .. you are now complete with YOUR deal .. "the $10 and the money order receipt finally arrived" .. does this make you WHOLE?
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