Post by: Doug Sterner on February 13, 2004, 07:14:24 AM
I sent the stuff out and was then informed that he no longer wanted to do the trade because he had sold the truck to somoen else on here....speak up if this was you....PLEASE!!!
Well he got the stuff and then agreed to send it back with the shipping fees I had incurred reimbursed. But he wnated to swap out the Frenzy for a Smash/R he had. I said OK.
Well he allegedly got into a car accident and was sitting in the hospital. I sent emails and they were answered by his "mom" and she said that she would send the balls back to me...that was over 3 weeks ago. I inquired several more times about the where abouts of my equipment and I have gotten nothing.
Now his address is the same as the old Matt Wagar that hosed everyone on here....does anyone have the phone number that was posted before for Wagar??? My package was signed for by what looks to be Joann Wagar but I cannot get a phone number based on his address. According to my sources his address does not exist.
If anyone could help me out here I'd appreciate it....please help me keep this at the top!!!
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Post by: SrKegler on February 13, 2004, 10:32:45 PM
Hammertime was succesful in getting charges filed against one of the scam artists. This is two or three time for this kid, sure hope you can get legal action started on him.
I'll keep searching tomorrow when things aren't so busy here at work.
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Post by: Doug Sterner on February 13, 2004, 10:55:13 PM
1-810-385-3358 is the phone number. An alternate was 1-810-385-0972
I found the old post by doing a search on wagar and that's what I got.
What's the best way to approach this? I mean he's got:
NIB Raging Inferno ($145), NIB Frenzy ($90), lightly used Mutant ($65) 3 set sof inserts and slugs ($45) and a Storm Towel ($10)...total of $355
think I can get anyone's attention with that figure? I do have a buddy who I went to high school withthat is a lawyer...wonder if he could draft up a nice legal letter for me???
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Post by: drcjjr on February 13, 2004, 11:03:12 PM
Get in touch with "HammerTruck" on this site. He got the ball rolling on the deadbeat "Hookmonster". He got the local police involved and now "Hookmonster" is up on charges of fraud... got his girlfriend for being involved as well.
Last post from "Hammertruck" stated that most would end up getting back their money or stuff... guess the loser still had some of it.
Good Luck,
drcjjr
Post by: Doug Sterner on February 13, 2004, 11:26:43 PM
I'll get back with details once I get the ball rolling.
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Post by: MI 2 AZ on February 14, 2004, 12:11:30 AM
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on February 14, 2004, 02:01:51 AM
I was the person that had the LONG post about matt wager(wagner)or then aka xxxpipologyxxx-----it appears he has learned nothing.
I hope everything works out for you. The city was Fort Gatriot (I THINK). I hope that helps.
This guy is a dead beat.
Post by: pnj1967 on February 14, 2004, 05:09:26 AM
Post by: pnj1967 on February 14, 2004, 05:27:50 AM
Doug I will e mail you the phone numbers I have.
Post by: pnj1967 on February 14, 2004, 08:30:56 AM
Post by: michelle on February 14, 2004, 09:11:33 AM
Additionally, because you are located outside of the state of Michigan, it is also technically a federal offense that can be prosecuted at that level.
It is time for people to learn that even a couple hundred dollars worth of bowling equipment is best paid for in cash as opposed to taking a chance on having your life screwed up (remember that little checkbox on employment forms on whether you have ever been arrested or convicted?)
Post by: Borincano on February 14, 2004, 09:17:35 AM
Post by: Shaggy on February 14, 2004, 09:55:08 AM
Please post the shipping address. I lost a NIB 15lb Inferno to Matt Wagar. It sounds like Matt is building a bowling ball arsenal at the expense of others. Let me know if I can help.
Maybe we should start a Bowling America's Most Wanted List on the site with shipping addresses to avoid sending balls to thieves.
Shaggy
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Post by: 1fife on February 14, 2004, 10:14:09 AM
he is about an hour and half from my house
if it was closer id pay the punk a visit
(hey maybe i can offer some extra credit in class-the kids are always asking)
If some one lives near port huron(dont rememebr anyone from the site in that area) its only a half hour
Fort gratiot is closer-i believe
anyone have that address?
Thsi crap from ripoffs from nice people(like doug) has to go
Post by: Doug Sterner on February 14, 2004, 11:19:38 AM
6067 Catawba Road (Drive?)
Fort Gratiot, MI 48059
I have posted the phone numbers previously.
Called and spoke with Mom this morning. Mom is NOT a happy camper. It seems that he swapped out the balls I sold him with 3 others and then sealed the box back up. He took the box to mom and said that I had changed my mind on the deal and I was going to send $$$ to have them returned.
He traded the Raging for the Executioner and also traded off the Mutant. Gee, that's fewncing stolen merchandise isn't it? And since it is across state lines that almost makes it a felony...right?
What about using an assumed name and email address? I dealt with TMaxx11, not xxxpipologyxxx. I shipped the balls to Chris Lawrence, not Matt Wagar.
Mom is supposed to call me later today and let me know what's going to happen.
I was also given the name of his ball driller so I think that this situation would be something he would be interested in knowing...don't you think???
Again I thank everyone for your help.
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Post by: michelle on February 14, 2004, 11:28:03 AM
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Called and spoke with Mom this morning. Mom is NOT a happy camper. It seems that he swapped out the balls I sold him with 3 others and then sealed the box back up. He took the box to mom and said that I had changed my mind on the deal and I was going to send $$$ to have them returned.
Pissed off parents can often get you the pound of flesh and $$ back...
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He traded the Raging for the Executioner and also traded off the Mutant. Gee, that's fewncing stolen merchandise isn't it? And since it is across state lines that almost makes it a felony...right?
Certainly there are some additional state charges that would apply. You would have to check the State Penal Code to determine what applies in Michigan. At the federal level, I am not sure that a dollar amount is required to raise it to the felony level...many offenses that would be in-state misdemeanors become federal felonies the moment the offense crossed state lines.
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What about using an assumed name and email address? I dealt with TMaxx11, not xxxpipologyxxx. I shipped the balls to Chris Lawrence, not Matt Wagar.
Strictly speaking, probably no offense there unless he had used a Credit Card in another name. Otherwise, I can order from you and have you send to Jane Doe with no infraction.
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I was also given the name of his ball driller so I think that this situation would be something he would be interested in knowing...don't you think???
Unless the ball driller is in on the scam also...but a follow-up call might at least let him know of the possibility of a criminal investigation that may ensue
Post by: seadrive on February 14, 2004, 11:32:29 AM
Just out of curiosity, did Mom tell you the age of her little felon?
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Post by: AMP750 on February 14, 2004, 11:37:14 AM
I am sorry to hear this is happen to you.
I see you are trying to do the right thing by giving the kid a chance to make up for his bad decision.
Well, I would personally would have already called the police department,like I did with Hookmonster. He is now being brought up on charges. I keep in contact with the Officer working the case weekly.
Contact the police dept and ask if they have a internet crime div. most dept's do by now.
Then give him all the info you have and once an officer visits this kid and his family,then he will grap in his pants and really be scared.I also wrote a posting for all the people that was scammed by Hookmonster to send me all the info of money and balls that was shipped to him. The officer found 31 balls that this person stoled from people on our website. AlI but 2 of the reported balls have been found.
Then if the dist attorney thinks the case is a strong one he should move forward and aleast charge this kid so he will have alot to think about.
JUst my little bit of info for you Doug and good luck !!
Edited on 2/14/2004 12:34 PM
Post by: Doug Sterner on February 14, 2004, 11:58:47 AM
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Post by: agroves on February 14, 2004, 01:35:56 PM
andrew
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Post by: 1fife on February 14, 2004, 02:18:10 PM
pm me the name of the house-drilled and his name if you got it-maybe i know the guy and could help others
Post by: MadMax on February 14, 2004, 10:17:20 PM
Next time you talk to His Mommy, let her say the name
MadMax to the Boy, I was going to drive up and make
TMaxx11 Bleed after he screwed me! No wonder the
little laid changed His Toon after talking to me like that,
he's only 14 years old and new this Navy Vet. was coming
to pay him a visit. Did you ask Her what the Hell she's
doing? Any Parenting? Don't Sound like it!
MadMax
Post by: seadrive on February 15, 2004, 12:04:10 AM
I really don't mean to bust your chops, but...
What were you thinking, getting into a deal of that size with a 14 year old?
I don't care what Leftside says, it's just crazy to get into a deal for more than twenty bucks with someone who a) has no real money of his own, and b) may have to ask his mommy or daddy if it's okay to trade his stuff.
Don't deal with minors, people. It's just common sense.
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Post by: HamPster on February 15, 2004, 12:38:49 AM
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Post by: Doug Sterner on February 15, 2004, 07:50:11 AM
And Jimmy I would tend to agree with you but mom took delivery of the package...she signed the UPS board for it :-) I had an idea that he might have been a kid so I required an adult signature. Now Mom is involved because her name is on the paper.
No return call from Mom as promised yuesterday so I guess it's another call later today.
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Post by: seadrive on February 15, 2004, 09:42:29 AM
Hope you can get his mother to make it right.
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Post by: Doug Sterner on February 17, 2004, 09:05:47 PM
I did get an email from matt today asking me to call but when I did it was busy and I didn't try again.
As far as I know he doesnt have any of the balls I traded him anymore...one of his buddies has the Mutant, another guy on here bought the Raging Inferno but I dont know what happened to the Frenzy.
Oh well...live and learn....
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Post by: card79 on February 20, 2004, 11:12:33 AM
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I don't really play cards and I am not 79, but it fits together somehow.
It's a 106 miles to Chicago. We've got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark and we're wearing sunglasses.
Post by: Doug Sterner on February 21, 2004, 12:39:31 AM
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Post by: Doug Sterner on February 22, 2004, 11:02:06 PM
I'll take his offering of $220 plus a Charcoal Executioner and the Inserts/slugs back.
Now that Mom knows the truth about what's going on I think it's going to get resolved.
I'll keep you all posted.
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Post by: pnj1967 on February 26, 2004, 06:47:01 PM
Post by: Doug Sterner on February 27, 2004, 08:26:27 PM
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Post by: michelle on February 27, 2004, 08:31:12 PM
(yes, at this point I AM that cynical and skeptical that the kid will follow through on anything...)
Post by: SrKegler on February 27, 2004, 09:44:07 PM
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Post by: MTFD24 on February 29, 2004, 12:35:05 AM
Unfortunately, or should I say fortunately I have not been involved in any dealings with them. Therefore I can not press charges, which should be done by all that have been "taken, ripped-off, etc." by him, and his parents (since he is a minor). There is internet fraud, most likely mail fraud, and a host of other charges that are most likely applicable as well.
This nonsense will not stop until more people step up and prosecute. If you look at all the posts about "this bad deal, that bad deal", how many were actually prosecuted? What message is that? If there were more people willing to "stand up" and "go after" these "thieves", maybe a message would be sent that it isn't worth the effort to "steal" from someone on this site. As it is now, it looks to a "newcomer" that ther may be "easy pickings" here. IMHO
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Post by: hskrntx on February 29, 2004, 08:04:32 AM
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Post by: pnj1967 on February 29, 2004, 04:39:48 PM
Earlier in this post I thought Doug was told by the Mother that he, { Matt Wagner/Wagar} was suppose to be banned from this site,{supposedly the computer was set so he could not use the site} what happened ?
Edited on 2/29/2004 5:48 PM
Post by: Outrage300 on February 29, 2004, 06:27:37 PM
Doesn't look like any of these events have humbled you at all.
Outrage
Post by: golfnutFL on February 29, 2004, 06:51:25 PM
Post by: michelle on February 29, 2004, 07:25:19 PM
Post by: SrKegler on February 29, 2004, 10:06:10 PM
BTW, how about squaring up with Shaggy. Seems like only the people that get legal action started get reimbursed.
First time could have been a mistake, 2d time had to have been deliberate.
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Post by: Doug Sterner on February 29, 2004, 10:45:58 PM
I should go after you for the extra grief you have caused me along with phone calls to Michigan...you have my phone nmber, why don't you call me for a change? What about email? The way I see it, you owe me...I am not even charging you for the shipping to get the balls to you...or the extra money I ahd to put out to make the guy happy that owned the Mutant. The truck you were going to trade was to be his....I ended up drilling him another ball that I had to pay for. Also I had to pay for the Raging Inferno and the Frenzy. The money from the sale of the truck was to pay for those balls but since I NEVER GOT ANYTHING FROM YOU I had to pay the bill.
I'll be home all night on Monday...call me 570-553-0165
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Post by: freedomrules3 on February 29, 2004, 10:59:28 PM
know this matt kid from bowling in a league with him. hes finally getting his priorties stright and yah hes in big crap and i know what he did was wrong and i also KNOW he wouldnt switch his profile to brag about crap like that cuz hes in enought crap as it is..theres quite a bit of kids on this site a lot of them being friends with wagar, im pretty sure wagars friends are just immature as him so they tried to play a joke which turned out to be sh**ty
QUESTION? your profile says you live in ontario canada. do you cross the border just to bowl in a league??
Post by: Rev_O on February 29, 2004, 11:20:04 PM
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QUESTION? your profile says you live in ontario canada. do you cross the border just to bowl in a league??
Yes he does. I have done almost 2 transactions now with stormrox, and he does live in Canada, and goes to Michigan to bowl.
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Post by: MTFD24 on March 01, 2004, 01:52:28 AM
And with the amounts of money involved, and number of actual "victims"....well, I am sure legal authorities will jump on this one.
It still amazes me that there are SO many that refuse to use the legal system to rightfully protect themselves, and OTHERS. Until this family is prosecuted, it appears that others down the road may well become victims as well.
Just my worthless 2 cents.
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Post by: MTFD24 on March 01, 2004, 01:59:07 PM
You have yet to "square up" not only with Doug, but with others as well! So, even IF you do make things right with Doug, Shaggy can still proceed to press charges, along with anyone else that may you may have dealt unjustly with.
So far you are fortunate....no one has pressed legal action, but you never know when they may get fed up enough and do so. So don't be surprised if someone with a badge shows up at your doorstep. Imagine what a criminal record will do to any future job applications, school, etc. etc.
Again, you and you alone created this disaster for your mother, and yourself.
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Post by: Doug Sterner on March 01, 2004, 05:17:20 PM
You are right...I won't use the legal system. Why not? Well let's see...the only group of people I dislike more in this world than child molestors and wife beaters are lawyers. If there were 1/2 the number of lawyers in this countryas there currently are, there would be far fewer problems. The term "ambulance chaser" comes to mind. If it were not for the lawyers and "legal experts" we would have more rights than we currently do and we would also be able to settle many of the issues we have day to day by ourselves.
If you don't believe me then explain why we have so many kids out there threatening to call Children in Youth if Mom or Dad tries to spank them? Care to guess who started some of the first children youth services? Yeah a bunch of lawyers. So the legal system has created a generation where the kids have become empowered and mom and dad are nothing anymore.
We are also talking about the legal system that has allowed Michael Jackson to walk the streets, OJ Simpson to continue playing golf and has kept Pete Rose from the Hall of Fame. Does any of it make sense? Of course not but guess what? The minute we do something wrong, BLAMMO! we run to them for help to try and get ourselves out of the speeding ticket or the DUI or whatever.
What is to be learned from this as a samll business owner?
#1...no trade deals in excess of $200
#2...no trade deals with buyers under 18
#3...always require an adult signature at delivery
#4...money or merchandise in hand before mine gets shipped
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