Post by: Doug Sterner on August 31, 2003, 07:16:34 PM
He wanted the used Sonic X I had listed on my used page. He asked if I would consider a trade. I said OK, what do you have? One of the balls HE OFFERED was a NIB Too Hot with good specs I said Yeah, I'd swap the Sonic X for the Too Hot. No problem. We agreed to ship within ht next 2 days, which I did.
Then I receive a message asking if I'd take a used Too Hot and $10 instead. I said no, we agreed on the NIB Too Hot. He said OK, he'd ship within the next day or so.
About 2 days later I get a message on here that he is now telling me that the thumb on the Sonic X was plugged and not once drilled as I stated. I sold the ball NIB to PChee and he then swapped it to Cooksey and Cooksey swapped it back to me. I didn't touch the ball, Cooksey said all he had his guy do was install a slug to alter the span and pitches and PChee just drilled the ball (no thumb slug).
Guess what I have yet to receive some 2 weeks later??? You are correct Dr. Watson...my Too Hot is nowhere to be found! He also now refuses to answer messages sent to him.
Oh yeah and it isnt like it takes 3 weeks for the ball to get here either...he lives in OH...so it should take a maximum of 3 days to get here.
His contact info is....
Steve Nagy
5520 Main Ave
Ashtabula, OH 44004
If Steve comes through with the NIB Too Hot with the specs he promised, I will retract this post and post a positive one.
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Doug Sterner
Doug's Pro Shop
Owego, NY
http://dougsproshop@aol.com
www.dougsproshop.net
Think about it....pins are wood, lanes are wood...
the weapon of choice is obvious...
CUT 'EM UP BABY it's BUZZSAW TIME!!!
Edited on 9/1/2003 10:28 AM
Post by: jkiser01 on September 01, 2003, 10:28:11 AM
It doesn't sound like this guy is gonna deliver the goods and thats a shame. Another person that won't step up to the plate and do the right thing..
Good luck and keep us posted..
jkiser01
Post by: Doug Sterner on September 01, 2003, 10:36:28 AM
I am thinking he had 2nd thoughts but refusing to do the right thing and follow through with the offer he posed in the first place. BUt I agree...he said he would ship on the 15th and I have yet to see or hear from him after that date...
Time will tell....
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Doug Sterner
Doug's Pro Shop
Owego, NY
http://dougsproshop@aol.com
www.dougsproshop.net
Think about it....pins are wood, lanes are wood...
the weapon of choice is obvious...
CUT 'EM UP BABY it's BUZZSAW TIME!!!
Post by: MTFD24 on September 02, 2003, 12:15:31 AM
Personally, after viewing the website pictures of the SonicX I can not CLEARLY see where this ball was "plugged". I have also asked several people in the pro shop, as well as 2 prominent drillers, and no one can see the "plugging" in the pictures.
I hope the ball arrives back to Doug. I have not personally dealt with him, but have had a few discussions, and he has always been upfront, even when we disagreed about a ball manufacturer
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The Older We Get, The Better We Were
Post by: MTFD24 on September 02, 2003, 12:39:40 AM
TTT
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The Older We Get, The Better We Were
Post by: TR on September 02, 2003, 12:55:19 AM
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"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." Ben Franklin
Post by: Brickguy221 on September 02, 2003, 01:14:03 AM
Post by: Brickguy221 on September 02, 2003, 01:27:30 AM
Post by: Strider on September 02, 2003, 01:30:18 AM
Why did you change your username from stevo300 to Thumbsdown? Seems like several people here have changed their usernames after bad deals...
I saved the picture and blew it up. If it's plugged, it doesn't show up well. It gets too blurry when you zoom in.
Another person who won't answer messages and emails, but is quick to answer when he is exposed online.
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Penn State Proud ......THB with loft
Post by: HamPster on September 02, 2003, 01:35:24 AM
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Forget Kung Fu, I know Ron Bahr!!!
The only difference between youth and adult leagues are that the big boys are allowed to whine. They're more entertaining anyway.
Post by: MTFD24 on September 02, 2003, 01:42:05 AM
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The Older We Get, The Better We Were
Post by: Brickguy221 on September 02, 2003, 01:52:35 AM
Post by: Strider on September 02, 2003, 01:56:14 AM
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strider.
i have replied to E V E R Y message doug has sent me. I was w/o a computer for almost a week thanks to the SoBig worm. i change my usename about every 3 months just because i can. i have dealt with doug before with no problem, except that the last time, i sent him a pink hammer, and it "took him a few days" to "find" the ball in the bowling center.
i admit, the lawyer line was a little silly, but how would YOU react if you saw your name innplace of mine?????????????
Fair enough Steve. I didn't realize you were replying to Doug. This is what Doug said, and I had no reason to doubt him.
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He also now refuses to answer messages sent to him.
I didn't know you changed usernames frequently. I'd think you'd want people to know who they're dealing with, but to each his own.
It's hard to say unless you're in the situation, but I'd hope I'd tell my side of the story, and I'd be vindicated once all the facts came out. Doug seems like a reasonable guy. I think he'd offer a full retraction if he was wrong. I guess I still feel that innocent people have nothing to hide. Did Doug tell you he'd give you a bad review here if you didn't send him the NIB Too Hot?
Good luck to the both of you. Steve and Doug have both been long time members, hopefully they can work it out.
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Penn State Proud ......THB with loft
Post by: pchee2 on September 02, 2003, 02:53:36 AM
Just came back from labor day shopping with one of my chicks. Was kinda cool signing up for all those free things in the department store where they ask for your name and address. The bad thing about signing up is that they send you all kinds of junk mail and then sell your personal info to other marketing agencies who then spam you with junk mail and resell your info to other agencies who do the same. I'm just glad I didn't give my real name and address. Got the name and address from this post and used it to sign up all the stuff. I also signed up for NAMBLA with this name.
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pchee2<~~~strokin the ball with cranker revs and spraying the lanes for an average of a buck 62. This guy is full of STUFF!
Post by: laner7pin on September 02, 2003, 02:57:45 AM
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About 2 days later I get a message on here that he is now telling me that the thumb on the Sonic X was plugged and not once drilled as I stated. I sold the ball NIB to PChee and he then swapped it to Cooksey and Cooksey swapped it back to me. I didn't touch the ball, Cooksey said all he had his guy do was install a slug to alter the span and pitches and PChee just drilled the ball (no thumb slug).
Been reading this post and as far as the ball being plugged heres my theory: Doug sold the ball to pchee, pchee drilled it up with no thumb slug. Pchee sold it to Cooksey, and Cooksey took it to his driller to slug the thumb to fit his span/pitch. Driller probably had to plug the thumb in order to get correct span, then redrilled through most of the plug, leaving the small spot that is noticed in the pic (I dont have XP so I couldnt tell). Cooksey then traded it back to Doug, where as then Doug has traded it to Steveo. So even though Doug did not do anything the thumb, the thumb has been plugged. He may not have noticed the slight difference in color around the thumb, thus saying the thumb has never been plugged.
I have not done a deal with Doug in the past, so I cannot say wether or not it was a good or bad transaction, but I do know he has a great rep on this site. For the other ball being shipped on the 19th through the USPS, if it was not shipped priority, it may have taken a week or so, depending. It may have been ready to arrive before the holiday, and with the mail not going on monday, it could arrive tuesday. Then again, it could have arrived last week sometime and Doug hasnt received it from the mail/bowling center, who knows. Hopefully for both ends the transaction is completed with no trouble. Just my take on the situation. Have a good one.
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If I could only pick up a 7 pin.....
Post by: HamPster on September 02, 2003, 12:04:11 PM
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Forget Kung Fu, I know Ron Bahr!!!
The only difference between youth and adult leagues are that the big boys are allowed to whine. They're more entertaining anyway.
Post by: Doug Sterner on September 03, 2003, 12:47:36 AM
#1...I sent all correspondence to Shootin 300 because that is the screenname he used to purchase the ball and messaged me on the 14th of August that he had received it. Now magically all of the saved messages I got from him have been changed to Stevo300. He agreed to ship the Too Hot the next day...that would be the 15th but the Too Hot should have been shipped even before he got the Sonic X...Breach of agreement #1 Then he comes back a day or 2 later and says "will you take a used Too Hot and $10 instead"...looks to me as though he was already having 2nd thoughts. I told him no and then he said he would ship the Too Hot the next day. I said OK. Breach of agreement #2.
#2...it was not until I posted this post that he CHANGED HIS SCREENAME back to Steveo300. Kind of fishy from what I can see. I still ahev all record of the messages he sent to me and I believe that Bruce can get me copies of the messages I sent to him that were UNANSWERED.
#3...The Sonic X was NOT plugged and was in excellent condition. Had Steveo bothered to remove the thumb slug, he would have seen guess what? no plug in the front edge of the thumbhole!!! But did he ever do this? NO!!! PChee has attested to his knowledge of the ball, now if we'd ask Cooksey24 to tell us what his pro shop guy did to the ball, we would be able to find out.
#4...Steve says that he has returned the ball via USPS Priority Mail. That should take a maximum of 3 days. If this is the case, I would have received a notice in my mailbox and a phone call stating I had a package to pick up because USPS in Owego does NOT send packages of this size and weight with their carriers. I have not received anything and we all have proof that he did in fact receive it so he owes me a ball or monetary compensation.
#5...As stated previously, if I had been notified that the ball was being returned or that he was dissatisfied with the deal, we could have worked something out. Does this sound like a dissatisfied customer???The last message I got from him was:
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From: Stevo300
Received: 8/14/2003 2:46:27 PM
Subject: sonic x
Message: Doug,
I got the ball today. Thanks.
One question though. On your site, you list the ball as no plug work, but the thumb has been plugged one time. Just wondering what was up with that.
I'll be shipping the too hot tomorrow.
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Your ball is in the caring hands of UPS....
1Z74Y1F20398390255
Thanks again !!!!
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Doug Sterner
Doug's Pro Shop
Owego, NY
dougsproshop@aol.com
www.dougsproshop.net
Think about it....pins are wood, lanes are wood...
the weapon of choice is obvious...
CUT 'EM UP BABY it's BUZZSAW TIME!!!
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Stevo300
"When in doubt, Rip the grips out"
Now you tell me what's going on????
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Doug Sterner
Doug's Pro Shop
Owego, NY
http://dougsproshop@aol.com
www.dougsproshop.net
Think about it....pins are wood, lanes are wood...
the weapon of choice is obvious...
CUT 'EM UP BABY it's BUZZSAW TIME!!!
Edited on 9/3/2003 1:00 AM
Post by: Morpheus02us on September 03, 2003, 01:15:20 AM
Post by: matt smith on September 03, 2003, 03:31:36 AM
If there was a truckload of plugging like 2 sets of finger plugging right where you wanted your ball to be tracking through, then yea, thats an issue. But from what i saw there is maybe plugging that is a third the width of a thumb hole, no big deal. Whats your beef with the little bit of plugging anyway???
And like everyone says, post a copy of the shipping receipt and this will all blow over. But so far you have chosen to blatently ignor all requests for that. Is it just that you dont want to help yourself, or you cant? Pipe up with the receipt dude, give us some proof.
Good luck and high scoring
matt
Post by: livespive on September 03, 2003, 09:15:20 AM
This all started when steveo tried to back out of the original deal by offering a different ball. You two had an agreement, and as "MEN" The agreement should stick. If Stevo didn't like the ball that Doug sent he should have just sent it back, with an explanation. UNLESS of course stevo did some modifications to the ball.
Also like Erock666 said sometimes it might be hard to tell if the ball was plugged, especially if it is just a small piece that is left.
I have delt with Doug plenty of times, and I know that he is a good guy. I have bought new and used stuff from him and the used stuff has always been as he describes. I have also Talked with Stevo300 afew times. Doesn't seem like a bad guy. Just seems to be a small misunderstanding.
I also think that in transactions on this board that the person that initiates the deal needs to be the one that makes the first move ie shipping and payment.
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Visionary Test Staff Member
Edited on 9/3/2003 9:50 AM
Post by: HamPster on September 03, 2003, 11:56:05 AM
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Forget Kung Fu, I know Ron Bahr!!!
The only difference between youth and adult leagues are that the big boys are allowed to whine. They're more entertaining anyway.
Post by: Doug Sterner on September 03, 2003, 11:05:47 PM
1. He told me his wife shipped the ball via parcel post, not priority mail so that's why it's taking so long although I parcel posted a ball to France and it took 2 weeks. 2+ weeks from OH to NY?????
2. He has contacted me and has agreed to ship me a ball if I do not receive the Sonic X by Friday.
Now what do you guys think is fair for a ball to accept?
Since I am out the ball we originally agreed on, I think he should ship the ball that we agreed on in the trade.
He says the Sonic was not worth the ball he offered me eventhough in the message I quoted above he said he would send it tomorrow. So I ask....what do you guys think is fair?
My stance is that I either:
1. Get my ball back plus my $8 in shipping
2. Get the Too hot we agreed on
3. I get the $50 plus the $8 shipping I had the ball listed for on my used page.
Any opinions???
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Doug Sterner
Doug's Pro Shop
Owego, NY
http://dougsproshop@aol.com
www.dougsproshop.net
Think about it....pins are wood, lanes are wood...
the weapon of choice is obvious...
CUT 'EM UP BABY it's BUZZSAW TIME!!!
Edited on 9/3/2003 11:39 PM
Post by: Brickguy221 on September 03, 2003, 11:21:58 PM
Post by: Bjaardker on September 04, 2003, 12:11:08 AM
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Doug, you should get the ball the two of you originaly agreed on as that is what the deal was to begin with.
I couldn't agree more.
Post by: johns811 on September 04, 2003, 09:03:54 AM
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Erm, dont get me wrong but, WHAT THE HECK DOES IT MATTER ABOUT A SMALL PEICE OF PLUGGING??!?! matt
Post by: TyLytle on September 04, 2003, 09:32:55 AM
Hope you get it resolved soon! This is a lot of headache for a 50.00 ball.
Got to hand it to the Pro Shop owners... Have to put up with these kind of people. I couldn't do it. I have seen people buy and have drilled big hooking balls and they won't hook for them because they throw 25MPH right up the middle of the lane in heavy oil, and cuss the Pro Shop guy out because he didn't drill the ball right!! Sheesh!!
Ty
Post by: card79 on September 04, 2003, 09:56:31 AM
I think that if everyone was telling you that you were in the right instead of the responses you are getting you would be perfectly willing to continue talking about it here. Either way it seems like the deal was agreed upon and executed on one end. If you are not happy with the ball that was sent you have to deal with that after the fact. I think you got into trouble from the start when you did not ship when you said you would. You didn't want to go through with the deal so you kept hedging your bet hoping Doug would say forget it.
Bottom line Steveo you made a deal. Make it right. IF you don't want the ball get it to him and get him the money he spent shipping it to you. If you can't do that then you owe the man the original ball from the deal or at the least the money. You can't go to a store take the product and not pay. That would be shoplifting. YOu pay for the item and if you are unhappy with it once home you take it back or work out some exchange.
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I don't really play cards and I am not 79, but it fits together somehow.
Post by: cooksey on September 04, 2003, 03:53:10 PM
Sorry I haven't posted in reply to any of this but I just found out about it today. I am the one who had the sonic x. As Doug stated I got the ball from him but he had gotten it from pchee and had him ship it directly to me. The ball was in excellent shape as stated. I took the ball to my driller and he stated that all he had to do was slug the thumb to fit my hand. So I left the ball with him. I picked the ball up a couple of days later and it looked fine to me. I didn't notice any plugging and never ask for any to be done. I hate it that this has become such a big deal for doug. I have done a couple of trades with him and everything went smoothly. As a matter of fact he got an element from me at the same time as the sonic. I hope everything works out for him. If I can be of any help hear just let me know.
Thanks, cooksey
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" Focus the next shot is critical"
Post by: Morpheus02us on September 05, 2003, 09:08:15 AM
Thats not slander its libel.
I do beleive that,Slander is spoken, and Libel is written.
Just a F.Y.I
(Hopes hes not wrong)
Post by: card79 on September 05, 2003, 01:08:50 PM
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I don't really play cards and I am not 79, but it fits together somehow.
Post by: Strapper_Squared on September 26, 2003, 10:33:56 AM
But see, there lies the problem... Once you agree to something... you have given your word. And that's a direct reflection of you as a person. Any decent person, even if they made a mistake in dealing which may cost a few bucks, will hold up their end of the deal and do everything possible to make it work. But there always seem to be a few people who think they are the only one who matters and screw the other guys.
Unfortunately this is a possibility anytime a transaction takes place with members other than the reputable... So I guess in general, outside of dealings with Doug, DrillWizard, Axewelder, StormLefty, etc. (I'm sure I'm forgetting a TON!), use caution!
Hope everything works out,
S^2
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Go Bengals! .500 season is a victory!
Post by: Doug Sterner on September 26, 2003, 11:53:16 PM
Instead of the original agreed upon Too Hot I was to get, he has sent me a Dynothanem Eagle spare ball. The ball doesn't have the felt bag or the original box and is scratched up but at least I got a ball back.
Problem resolved although I still won't be doing any dealing with him again....
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Doug Sterner
Doug's Pro Shop
Owego, NY
http://dougsproshop@aol.com
www.dougsproshop.net
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