Post by: J_Mac on October 13, 2009, 01:22:58 AM
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If you were both cross-eyed and dyslexic, would you see okay?
Post by: charlest on October 13, 2009, 09:30:15 AM
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
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Post by: J_Mac on October 13, 2009, 09:38:29 AM
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900Global already did that. It was called the Creature Pearl.
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Sure Jeff, but how many bowlers that used and really liked the Pulses are well informed enough to have known that when a lot of mainstream shops didn't carry that brand at the time?
I'm sure that name still has a "pulse" so to speak among those from that era.
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If you were both cross-eyed and dyslexic, would you see okay?
Post by: scotts33 on October 13, 2009, 09:43:00 AM
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Scott
Post by: J_Mac on October 13, 2009, 09:49:34 AM
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How does Ebonite re-make a C300 tech ball?
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Did I not include a ? at the end of the subject line? LOL
Ebonite has access to former Columbia core shapes as is evident in the Noize line and the new Freezes.
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If you were both cross-eyed and dyslexic, would you see okay?
Post by: charlest on October 13, 2009, 10:43:41 AM
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Post by: charlest on October 13, 2009, 10:44:48 AM
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900Global already did that. It was called the Creature Pearl.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Sure Jeff, but how many bowlers that used and really liked the Pulses are well informed enough to have known that when a lot of mainstream shops didn't carry that brand at the time?
I'm sure that name still has a "pulse" so to speak among those from that era.
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If you were both cross-eyed and dyslexic, would you see okay?
You're right, but I do not know.
"Ignorance is bliss", I guess.
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Post by: TamerBowling on October 13, 2009, 02:38:09 PM
Post by: charlest on October 13, 2009, 06:18:18 PM
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Sorry, I might be behind the times here, but what is Ebonite Intl's relationship with 900 Global/AMF?
Ebonite bought out Columbia300 including all patented stuff, copyright and trademarks.
900Global is making balls at the old Columbia300 San Antonio,TX plant/manufacturing facility.
Both use BASF, the resin, chemical (German, as far as I know) manufacturing company for their Columbia based balls. Like Ebonite made the Jazz, using the resin, called Super-Flex, (copyright transferred from/with the Columbia300 trademarked/copyrighted (I don't know which) name. BASF supplies that resin.
900Global also uses BASF to supply most of their resins. They used the Super-Flex based resin (900Global cannot call their "version" of it Super-Flex, because Ebonite now owns the name.) in their Creature, Creature Pearl, Awakening as well as the AMF300 Villain, as well as other balls (Seismic, possibly).
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Post by: TamerBowling on October 14, 2009, 03:54:56 PM
Post by: charlest on October 14, 2009, 04:12:32 PM
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Well if we will talk old-school, anyone remember what cover was on the purple Quake? That was my favorite ball of all time. Any balls using this cover today or in more recent history?
Pretty sure it was Super-Flex.
About 6 months ago I got a friend a new Purple Quake. He loves it. Works fine on today's oil.
However, Super-flex back then is slightly different than today's SF which is slightly stronger. YOu put a solid version with an 800 grit US surface on a low to medium RG ball with flare on you can use it on a lot of oil.
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Post by: BrunsMike on October 14, 2009, 04:29:55 PM
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Post by: charlest on October 14, 2009, 07:49:02 PM
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Which ball is today's remake of the C300 Pulse?? My dad has the back then remake of this ball and has been looking for another one but of course remade again today. He religiously uses this C300 Pulse (red coverstock) every week, he want's to retire it but only if he can get a new remake.
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The Creature is the equivalent of the red Pulse. The Creature comes polished. Just sand it to 800 grit (light grey nylon pad) or P2000 grit Abralon pad to make it close to the stock surface of the red Pulse. I had a red Pulse and its stock surface of 600 grit was hardly usable, even back then on any house pattern.
The Creature Pearl is the equivalent of the Blue Pulse.
I use the word equivalent because this year's coverstock is not exactly the same as the Super-Flex on the Pulse and the pearl Pulse. It's possibly a hair stronger. BASF is still supplying the same resin to 900Global as it did to Columbia300 back then.
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Post by: Astroman on October 15, 2009, 02:51:06 AM
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Well if we will talk old-school, anyone remember what cover was on the purple Quake? That was my favorite ball of all time. Any balls using this cover today or in more recent history?
Flexcel G4
Post by: charlest on October 15, 2009, 09:47:35 AM
kotm,
Ebo called it Super-FLex, what they put on the Jazz. It darned well better be Super-Flex. Maybe they had BASF ship it directly to Hoptown?
Or does BASF do all their quality control on resin shipped to the USA there localto you?
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Post by: The Bowlers Edge 2 on October 15, 2009, 10:29:28 AM
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Post by: Doug Sterner on October 15, 2009, 10:37:45 AM
The cores are identical.
The Pulse core is more like an oversized Rival core with the ceramic nugget in the middle.
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Post by: charlest on October 15, 2009, 11:23:26 AM
The core shape may be similar, but the core number reflect a much lower RG and a much higher differential. I think the reaction would still be closer to the Pulses, excepting the stock surfaces.
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Post by: iamone78 on October 15, 2009, 03:38:00 PM
Post by: kidlost2000 on October 15, 2009, 03:53:55 PM
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Post by: avikingfan on October 15, 2009, 03:59:24 PM
Post by: Doug Sterner on October 15, 2009, 11:17:29 PM
my bad :-)
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Post by: charlest on October 15, 2009, 11:35:41 PM
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I see what you are saying charles..... The Creature Pearl rolled identically to my Titan and the Creature solid was almost identical to the Titan SE I had. Since the core design was identical and the reactions were so close I made the leap that the cores were the same....
my bad :-)
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no big deal, Doug. I goofed on the shape. While the numbers are closer to the Pulses, the shape is closer to the Titans. The trick was Phil saying (back when the Creature's first came out) they don't need that Ti core to get the core's RG down low any more.
So the Creatures wind up being half-way between the Pulses and the Titan's. Not exactly a bad place to be and everyone seems to appreciate the Creature being a great benchmark ball. That's exactly what the Pulse and the Titan were.
Same stuff, different day!
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Post by: Doug Sterner on October 15, 2009, 11:44:17 PM
Maybe they will return one day...hey Phil, you listening????
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Post by: kidlost2000 on October 16, 2009, 04:47:47 AM
Maybe down the road make a re-release Creature 2012 ball or what ever.(if you use the name alls I ask for is one or two of them in return. (that is dirt cheap by 2011,2012 prices.) lol
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Post by: the other c300 barnes on October 19, 2009, 01:41:02 PM
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Post by: Dave_in_Rio_Rancho on October 19, 2009, 03:14:47 PM
What fun would that be - you know there is always some chance that a few of these will wind up on ebay, bowlingball.com, or some other site
Post by: charlest on October 19, 2009, 06:17:10 PM
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These over-seas releases need to stop being USBC legal. If you can not purchase it from every pro shop in America, than it shouldn''t be legal for USBC play at all. It''s the United States Bowling Congress, not the World Bowling Congress.
I have to agree with that sentiment.
I see no logic in having the UNITED STATES Bowling Congress approve a ball that will not be allowed to be sold in the United States. Unless ALL other countries are going to allow the USBC to RULE their country''s bowling activities, this approval procedure makes little logical legal sense. Since most countries will NEVER let any ruling body in the USA affect anything they do, this makes no sense whatsoever.
If it''s approved by the USBC, it should, by LAW, be made available for purchase in the USA.
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Post by: kidlost2000 on October 20, 2009, 12:07:07 AM
I love the overseas equipment I've had and wish they did release them here. Most look better then what they release here.
I've argued with reps on here before but they don't care.
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Post by: BrunsMike on October 20, 2009, 12:15:13 AM
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Post by: batbowler on October 20, 2009, 12:32:04 AM
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