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TrackMaster

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A Solid Freeze????
« on: December 25, 2009, 04:44:32 AM »
Would anyone else like to see a solid freeze?? I love my freeze and also loved my messengers and couldnt help but think about some of the solid messengers i loved. What does everyone else think???
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Re: A Solid Freeze????
« Reply #16 on: December 29, 2009, 01:22:53 PM »
I agree with Brunsdustin, a nice weak solid that was controllable of the break would be nice.
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greenefam

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Re: A Solid Freeze????
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2010, 07:59:18 AM »
Hey there Columbia fans.  I am a pro shop operator who sells primarily Storm, Roto, and Hammer based on what people in my area ask me to carry - not necessarily what I prefer.  I don't sell many higher end Columbias but the Freeze has turned out to be a very popular ball.

For the past month of so the biggest seller has been the Freeze.  The Freeze is by far that best ball for the price in the market these days.  I used to sell either Tropicals and Scouts, but now I sell Freezes and Rayzrs.

From my perspective a solid version would basically round out my entry level reactive price point.  I would then have a true mild but strong-hitting reactive (Rayzr), a medium oil ball with hook (Freeze), and a medium oil smooth roller (solid Freeze).
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AdrianS

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Re: A Solid Freeze????
« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2010, 06:27:33 PM »
Get a pad out and make it 'solid'
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Re: A Solid Freeze????
« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2010, 06:39:24 PM »
I would be willing to bet that we are going to see something around Bowl Expo.  Think Columbia will need something to compete with the likes of the Onyx Vibe.  Cant imagine that Col300 would just keep going with pearls on all their lower end stuff. Could you see the Momentum Swing cover with the Freeze core?  SICK!!!!
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Re: A Solid Freeze????
« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2010, 09:50:28 PM »
how about the rival cover on the freeze. i think its called "300"
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Re: A Solid Freeze????
« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2010, 11:15:22 PM »
oh wow a momentum swing cover
that would just be deadly
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Re: A Solid Freeze????
« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2010, 11:31:53 PM »
Dulling a pearl cover doesn't make it a solid cover, it still has the pearl additive! Not the same reaction! Sorry
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Re: A Solid Freeze????
« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2010, 04:51:56 AM »

 Today''s high volume of oil in leagues and tournaments just doesn''t call for a whole lot of different urethanes.

This is just my opinion, so don''t get your panties in a twist

Dale not being critical or saying they need to make a Urethane ball, but in the case of the house where I bowl league they must have a severe oil shortage because about the only ball in my bag that I can throw consistently without lofting the gutter by the end of the night is my RG Mercury, and from seeing several other posts over the past 6 months I would have to say there are several centers putting out less instead of more oil.

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Re: A Solid Freeze????
« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2010, 05:20:50 PM »
Been hearing talk about a new Freeze... Called the Super Freeze...And another called the  Deep Freeze...

I'll guess we will just have to wait and see...

I'm sure more are coming... Kinda thinking one will come out in a 2000 or 4000 A-pad finish....

We shall see....


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BowlOgre21

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Re: A Solid Freeze????
« Reply #25 on: January 22, 2010, 12:05:45 AM »
When did price point = hook?  I love my Freeze, but its my weak ball.  For the same price an Onyx Vibe would outhook a Freeze yes?  For about the same a Furious would as well? With the Freeze apparently selling very well, we can hope a solid version comes out.  Heck I know I'd buy one and the Freeze is my only Columbia ball!
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Re: A Solid Freeze????
« Reply #26 on: January 22, 2010, 08:05:58 AM »
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When did price point = hook?  I love my Freeze, but its my weak ball.  For the same price an Onyx Vibe would outhook a Freeze yes?  For about the same a Furious would as well? With the Freeze apparently selling very well, we can hope a solid version comes out.  Heck I know I'd buy one and the Freeze is my only Columbia ball!


Excellent point... A great go to ball.....

I would hope that Columbia would bring out a second Freeze line...A ball that can handle more oil, etc...  And be more in the $150-$170 range...

Yes I know that the Noize line is in that range.... But seriously,  The Freeze name is Tops right now... To me the Noize is yesterdays news...

I think a new freeze line in addition to the current line would be an awesome combo...  $109-$119 on the Freeze line, and $150-$170 on a new Super Freeze line....

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TWOHAND834

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Re: A Solid Freeze????
« Reply #27 on: January 22, 2010, 08:15:40 AM »
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All right guys, let's put this one to bed.  there is no chance a solid Freeze is coming.  The ball as is hooks to much for the price point.  It would be irresponsible at this point to make it hook even more.

No new names, no solid colors I'm guessing just some new friendly colors coming.



Right now there are alot of balls out there that hook too much for the price point.  What makes you say there is "no chance" of a solid Freeze?  About 95% in reference to equipment is about more hook.
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Re: A Solid Freeze????
« Reply #28 on: January 27, 2010, 10:20:24 PM »
Definitely a lot going on in this post. In our shops we have the Freeze at its own price point between the Scouts/tornado's and the Smash's/Bash's/onyx vibe. On the Price point thing that is being brought up, well everyone wants more hook at lower prices. No ifs, and, or buts. Putting a solid freeze out there is just gonna give you a better smooth motion for a low end ball. All things considered of course with surface and numbers on the ball. Shine it up too then you have a real crusher for the dry lanes . Now to compare a onyx vibe or furious to the freeze well you just cant, Freeze wins hands down in normal cases better value at its price range. I like the idea of creating a new line but to take the freeze name and throw it into a different price range I don't think will work. If we are talking about Columbia there is a big selection with barely any holes i think. From the Scouts to the freeze. Then Freeze to the Noize line ( Loud Noize, Sharp Noize, Cool Noize, Noize). Then Noize's to the Bedlam and Total Bedlam. Now the Pure Swing, Full Swing. Try to Squeeze another name line in there would be hard. Very diverse line of bowling balls to fill any hole in your arsenal for any skill level.
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Re: A Solid Freeze????
« Reply #29 on: January 29, 2010, 07:41:10 AM »
resurgence core??
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Re: A Solid Freeze????
« Reply #30 on: January 31, 2010, 12:35:53 AM »
New Columbia or Old? If its new I'm guessing the resurgence core but I would love to see something similar to the Ricochet from the S.A. days.

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