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Equipment Boards => Columbia 300 => Topic started by: TWOHAND834 on October 24, 2014, 10:39:49 PM
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As an update to my original thread; I think this is what I am wanting and not sure Columbia has what I want which sucks as I really like the way their stuff rolls for me. I am wanting something that is weaker than my Violent and Disorder but yet not have a flippy reaction on the backend. My Violent is a skid/strong arc (not flippy) for if I have to get deeper as if I try to square up; I still tend to leave solid 9s. The Disorder I have been fighting to get a reaction I like. If I square up the cover is too strong and if I get deeper the core is too weak (lots of 10s). I would like something that I can square up and play right in or near the track without the ball rolling too quickly or reacting too strongly at the breakpoint. I have a Takedown drilled pin below the fingers but even a little too strong for squaring up.
The Freezes seem too flippy but the gap between the Freezes and Scouts seem huge. Really wish there was a ball in the lower end that was a higher RG but a diff in the .030 range instead of .05 (think Eruption Pro but lower end). Kind of looking at the Gamebreaker 2 but worried the cover will be too strong to move right and square up. For some reason I cannot bring myself to drill a Storm ball. It is what it is. Also may have thought about the Blur Solid but not sure how close it will be to my Violent and Disorder with that cover.
Since my team won the first third; I would like to try a different direction for the second third and see how it goes. I am thinking weaker overall and still not flippy. I have a 300C Solid but have the pin at 2 inches from my PAP but with the high flare potential; it still flares a lot even with that pin placement. If I dull the cover; it leaves flat 10s and if I add polish, the ball doesnt really have enough on the back with the oil volume. SO.......looking for a ball between my 300C and Violent Eruption.
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Any "flippy" ball can likely be easily solved with surface if drilled, or nib with layout and surface.
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Any "flippy" ball can likely be easily solved with surface if drilled, or nib with layout and surface.
Yeah. True. But it can be tough when one is rev dominate. My Violent was pretty flippy OOB but took the polish off and left more of a sheen on it. Now it is more of a hard arc and more predictable. Just would like something I can move right start the night more 12ish at the arrows instead of 15-17. Know what I mean?
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Why can't you with the 300c? What surface did you have it at?
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Too bad you don't like Storm stuff.
The UpRoar is so smooth. My partners and I were just noting that today.
It is not skid snap but push slurve but it wants to curve and hit.
Regards,
Luckylefty
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LL most ive heard from say how strong the uproar is. Its pretty snappy from the few guys ive watched. Not sure how a rev dominant guy would play that ball on a more direct line as the op is looking for.
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I would say that the blur solid would be the ball to go with. In all the vids I have watched it never came off the pattern sideways. Very nice smooth arc. It will be a nice step down from your violent and disruption even with its cover because the core is not as strong. Even the hybrid would be a good choice if your looking for even more push.
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If you are looking to square up, treat it like a sport pattern and drill a short pin to pap. That way the ball gets started and smooths out towards the end of the pattern. I would do that and a weight hole on the mid line to pull the PSA even further towards the VAL(assuming you're getting a symmetrical).
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I have the 300C with the pin at 2 inches from PAP, cg near center of grip, and box finish. Ball was great when I first got it. However, the center I bowl my leagues at added volume from track to track so the middle is a little tighter now and plays a tad more wet/dry. If I square up with the 300, it can be too early since it still flares a ton and if I move inside in the puddle it doesnt corner enough. I have tried to add a little surface but it then becomes a dud on the backend. Still playing with the surface on that ball. The issue with the 300 is the flare. I believe if the core was a little weaker I could get closer to the friction and still get some push. But the cores in the 300 (.055), Cyclone (.047), and Freezes ).047) have diffs higher than I would like. So even a weaker layout is still going to flare quite a bit. The Blur Solid is .041 so that could be a possibility. Too bad Columbia couldnt tweak the Resurgence core to put into a weaker cover with the diff at .035.
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check this out from EBI
http://www.trackbowling.com/products/balls/upper-mid-performance/tour-sic
numbers are in the range
from what im hearing, this ball has many layout options and has quite a buzz down in Hopkinsville
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What color is your Track 300c?
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What color is your Track 300c?
I have the Purple Solid 300C. A ball that may even fit the bill is the Ringer Solid with the diff at .038 in a solid cover. Thanks for all the responses guys!
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The Ringer are strong, especially the Solid. You are putting too much into the core numbers. I will show you why in a few when I get to my desktop.
Cover and surface are just as important.
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If you want to lower the differential try a big val angle and a p1 weight hole on a freeze should really slow it down downlane and smooth it out.....i would try to get the shortest pin possible and do something like 70x2.25"x70 with a p1 if needed to slow it down even more. You could even go out to a 5" pin to axis but i think it would be less predictable.
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go to the 1:50 mark of the video and watch the Strike King then the comparison with the Karma blue/green. Diff .028 vs .040 SK has a higher RG as well. The twoo balls on the Rico layout are identical.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fz5Pe6_PqiE&list=UU3VftStl4sWcuACk5kkKbDw
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I've just laid out a Blur Hybrid(specs in profile), and I'm liking the backend; a fairly controlled motion, not exactly weak, but if I miss the release a bit, it kind of fades on the backend. Conversely, if I overhit it, it doesn't go left like it had been kicked. This is pretty much the same motion that BTM described.
As I've been struggling with overreaction on the backend lately, this one has been great, so far(my first c300 since the merger, BTW).
drillbit
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I'm with bowlingman817 , I would go with the blur solid.
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Didn't throw any myself, but watched EBI ball demo and came away impressed with Track SiC. Didn't overreact in dirt or under in flood as house has lots of wet-dry from left to right. Hard move on backend without being flippy. Was a ball that I didn't even know about, but my son just picked up to try and it just found its way to the pocket with good carry. He had it around 5-6 boards less than Gamebreaker II.
Blur Solid is ball I've heard lots of good things about for weaker ball that doesn't skid-flip uncontrollably.
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Thank you for all the responses guys. Really appreciate it. I had the same issue last night I always do. Start off with a 288 with the Disorder. After a double to start the second game, I go weak 10, weak 10, make a small move and left a 2 pin. Put the ball up for something with more angle on the backend and went 2-8-10. Meanwhile I had a guy on the other team with a high rev rate also using a Slingshot playing around 12-13 out to about 8 and whacking the hole with it. I shoot 185 second game to his 230. So now it is just a matter of convincing the wife to let me punch another ball or go through my closet of old stuff and see if there may be anything that I can plug and redrill to make it work.
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Thank you for all the responses guys. Really appreciate it. I had the same issue last night I always do. Start off with a 288 with the Disorder. After a double to start the second game, I go weak 10, weak 10, make a small move and left a 2 pin. Put the ball up for something with more angle on the backend and went 2-8-10. Meanwhile I had a guy on the other team with a high rev rate also using a Slingshot playing around 12-13 out to about 8 and whacking the hole with it. I shoot 185 second game to his 230. So now it is just a matter of convincing the wife to let me punch another ball or go through my closet of old stuff and see if there may be anything that I can plug and redrill to make it work.
Look thru your old Visionary stuff for a weaker ball and do same as your opponent?
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Thank you for all the responses guys. Really appreciate it. I had the same issue last night I always do. Start off with a 288 with the Disorder. After a double to start the second game, I go weak 10, weak 10, make a small move and left a 2 pin. Put the ball up for something with more angle on the backend and went 2-8-10. Meanwhile I had a guy on the other team with a high rev rate also using a Slingshot playing around 12-13 out to about 8 and whacking the hole with it. I shoot 185 second game to his 230. So now it is just a matter of convincing the wife to let me punch another ball or go through my closet of old stuff and see if there may be anything that I can plug and redrill to make it work.
Look thru your old Visionary stuff for a weaker ball and do same as your opponent?
I am going to go back through and see what I have. I may have an ace in the hole. My father gave me his two bowling balls when he stepped away from the game a few years back. Those two balls are the Purple Critical Mass and the Triton Elite Solid. May have to see about possibly plugging those two bad boys up.
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C300 just dropped information on the deep freeze recently. I would also look into that ball. They raised the RG , and lowered the Differential for it.
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C300 just dropped information on the deep freeze recently. I would also look into that ball. They raised the RG , and lowered the Differential for it.
That ball is very high on my radar. Just hoping I can get by the next few weeks until it comes out. Its about time they came out with something to compete with the Tropical Breeze.