Post by: ekster on February 17, 2005, 01:07:47 PM
It really doesn't look like any balls they have had in the past few years (hence the blem). Is Bonanza II just leftover weight blocks and coverstocks or is it actually a blem of a current ball?
It has the surface finish for SKU #039010150 and its serial number is 4YF00304. It kind of a pukey green-brown with silver and brown swirls.
Any hints on this mystery or should I just drill for symetrical core and have at it. I love a challenge.
Any help will be appreciated. Go Eagles! (oops)
Post by: thfonz98 on February 17, 2005, 09:19:10 PM
bonanza II is just blem for columbia and its other companies it makes balls for.
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Post by: channel surfer on February 17, 2005, 09:38:05 PM
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Post by: jkiser01 on February 18, 2005, 05:15:26 AM
The bottom line is they are a great value IF you can get one with good specs..
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Post by: ekster on February 18, 2005, 10:20:20 AM
Post by: ekster on February 18, 2005, 10:37:42 AM
http://users.bignet.net/~ekowalsk/bowling.htm
Box also says 4 oz top wt and it looks like about 4-5" pin out
Thanks again for all the help!!
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Post by: KDawg77 on February 18, 2005, 10:39:46 AM
Edited on 2/18/2005 11:36 AM
Post by: BowlerKidR on February 18, 2005, 02:48:20 PM
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Post by: thfonz98 on February 18, 2005, 04:25:23 PM
before drilling(the colors are much brighter in person): http://home.comcast.net/~thfonz98/xception.jpg
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Post by: jkiser01 on February 18, 2005, 04:30:08 PM
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Post by: BowlingDude300 on February 18, 2005, 04:33:28 PM
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Post by: qstick777 on February 28, 2005, 09:05:50 PM
1st ball: 14lb 0oz. Its brown and black and has a clear coating. If you hold it just right you can see the bonanza label shadow on the brown/black. I can't find a CG punch on this one.
Label: http://www.dipspit.com/qstick777/Balls/bonanzas/bonanza-14-0.JPG
Ball: http://www.dipspit.com/qstick777/Balls/bonanzas/14-0.JPG
2nd ball: 14lb 15oz. Pin plug is missing.
Ball: http://www.dipspit.com/qstick777/Balls/bonanzas/14-15.JPG
Label: http://www.dipspit.com/qstick777/Balls/bonanzas/bonanza-14-15.JPG
3rd ball: 15lb 0oz.
Ball: http://www.dipspit.com/qstick777/Balls/bonanzas/15-0.JPG
Label: http://www.dipspit.com/qstick777/Balls/bonanzas/bonanza-15-0.JPG
Post by: Traumatize on February 28, 2005, 09:27:45 PM
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Post by: qstick777 on February 28, 2005, 09:36:07 PM
Figured you can't beat the price, especially since most sellers on ebay want close to $20 for shipping! NIB ball, won't worry about anybody else having the same ball, and I can play around with the cover without feeling bad about messing up the ball! Shipping was quick - paid for them Thursday and got them tonight!
Post by: BowlerKidR on March 01, 2005, 04:29:21 AM
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Post by: DP3 on March 01, 2005, 07:14:56 AM
I've heard AMF changelings can come in any color depending on what vats leftover coverstock is from so in this case they could all be those as well, you never know, that's the mystery of the Bonanzas.
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Post by: qstick777 on March 01, 2005, 12:15:11 PM
Post by: 1fife on March 01, 2005, 12:17:30 PM
Post by: DukeHarding on March 01, 2005, 07:18:11 PM
It's brown looks lColumbia Trooperish.
It's supposed to have the AMF Triumph core, according to Beans.
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Post by: DukeHarding on March 02, 2005, 08:31:05 AM
Looks like a Bully? Detour? Is it an AMF core (Triumph)
http://homepage.mac.com/dukeharding/.Pictures/Bowling/BonanzaII.jpg
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Post by: qstick777 on March 02, 2005, 08:44:37 AM
That is correct. The Changelings are Triumph cores with left over coverstock from other ball runs. This should probably be its own subject, but at least with the Changelings and X-outs from Ebonite/Hammer you know what core you are getting - the colors and maybe the weights are a little out of spec. With the Bonanza's, you have no idea what core is inside. The ball might be Bonanza because the colors are off, the pins too short, top weight too heavy, or whatever.
Like others have suggested, my ball #3 could be a Track Rule or an AMF Titan blem - those balls have very different cores. Ball #2 could be Big Bully or maybe a Crunch Time - again, very different cores. You would think (at least I would) that Columbia/AMF/Track would have some sort of coding to know which core is inside - Ebonite does with their X-outs. Maybe the companies differ in their quality control process. Maybe Ebonite makes, engraves, and then weighs and inspects colors last, thereby making it easy to know that the ball is a v2 sweet, but the blue is off or there is too much pink, or whatever. Maybe Columbia/AMF/Track inspect the colors before they engrave the balls and then just pull them and put them in one central location to be weighed and engraved at a later time.
I'm not complaining about either process. I think that's the fun of getting these balls. I could drill them up and they could be the best ball I've ever thrown, or they could be the worst. Either way I'm out only a little bit of money. IMO that's better than dropping $200+ on a ball and not being happy with it and then trying to sell it here for $40.
I guess I'm more intrigued by what the process is for the companies. Either way it gives people a chance to get the product in their hands for a little bit of money. Unless of course my Ball #1 really is just a White Dot, then I overpaid just a little!
Post by: qstick777 on March 06, 2005, 11:33:48 PM
Now according to the question and answer the serial numbers start with a number and a letter - the number being the year it was produced and the letter being the month (starting at N and ending at Z, with O skipped to avoid confusion with 0). The rest is a code to represent the production line.
Both of my Bonanza's have serial numbers starting with 2x, so that would seem to indicate October 2002 as the date of manufacture.
Anybody know which balls were produced in the later part of 2002? I know most companies probably don't have any current balls that were produced that long ago.
Post by: LuckyLefty on March 06, 2005, 11:59:06 PM
REgards,
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Post by: Matt Fortney on March 07, 2005, 12:30:47 AM
http://www.123bowl.com/ball.asp?ballid=1343
Post by: qstick777 on March 07, 2005, 06:00:43 AM
Here are 2 more pics - 1 shows the 2nd serial number, and the other is another angle where the copper/orange shows up a little better.
http://www.dipspit.com/qstick777/Balls/bonanzas/14-15-1.JPG
http://www.dipspit.com/qstick777/Balls/bonanzas/14-15-2.JPG
Post by: 1fife on March 07, 2005, 06:49:46 AM
Post by: Strapper_Squared on March 07, 2005, 10:29:19 AM
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Post by: 1fife on March 07, 2005, 11:07:19 AM
Post by: 1fife on March 07, 2005, 11:14:29 AM
i have 5 sheer havocs that are bonanza II(i am alomost 100 sure they are-id call it 99.5%)
well-whats the difference between bonanaza I and bonanaza II?
they are all great specs 2-3 pins and tops around 3.
3 are odd weights(14 14 oz)which make them second sometimes, the other 2 are 15 1 oz.
it got me to thinking why ar ethey bonanza-look good cosmetics, which cause them to be sometimes.
well i got to thinking
2 have pink pins, 2 white pins and 1 blue pin
well the talk about different core-maybe they have the wrong core with differnt covers.
what track balls had white-blue and pink pins lately?
or whats your insite on these
my distributor usually has bonanza, but usually bonanaza 1. And usually wierd pins(like 6-10) and low or high tops.
Post by: qstick777 on March 07, 2005, 01:12:26 PM
Some people have a preference for a certain type of core, as we all know that the cover can be played with to get the desired reaction. I seem to have better luck with symmetrical cores.
I think both balls look really good and they seem to have decent top weight and the pins look decent, so I would guess they are color blems.
Post by: BeansProShop on March 08, 2005, 01:47:17 AM
#3 is NOT a Rule... It is something totally different. I will post a pic of what i found for #1
Anybody else want some of these balls??? I still have some left for $59.95 shipped. Beans
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http://www.bowlingballreviews.com/images/balls/1039-1.jpg
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Post by: BeansProShop on March 08, 2005, 01:51:18 AM
I dont beleive the serial number has anything to do with the make or year on a Bonanza as it does with a First quality. I have GP2's with starting number 2...
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Post by: qstick777 on March 08, 2005, 08:18:37 AM
I was thinking if the 2x number was correct than #2 would look most like the Reaction Rev, and #3 the closest I could find to anything from 2002 with those colors would be the Track Spell.
I can't throw 15's right now, but I'm just dying to drill one of these up and see how it rolls!
Post by: cbae on March 08, 2005, 04:24:48 PM
Post by: ekster on March 10, 2005, 04:11:47 PM
All I know is that for the price, I am more than satisified. I still don't know what the core is, but, it's not like any other ball on the rack. I have a feeling it is an asymetrical (sp) core just by how it feels in my hands when I pick it up (I might be giving myself too much credit). It goes longer than my other three balls and snaps harder at the end, so, I have a different reaction than my other balls .. all for under $100 (with drilling locally).
Thanks again to Bean for the quick response and shipping.
Hope everyone has a much fun as I am trying to figure the ball out.
It's what makes this game so much fun and so unpredictable.
Post by: ekster on March 11, 2005, 10:37:55 AM
hope that helps