Post by: J_Mac on June 11, 2005, 12:54:58 PM
If anyone has a 15# Scout in their shop and has access to a DeTerminator I'd be curious to see how fast they stabilize, if they even do at all. This may also turn out to be a Jekyll as a few people have chimed in.
Thanks...
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wOTY5MDM1NnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D.jpg
Edited on 7/1/2005 10:28 AM
Post by: BowlerKidR on June 11, 2005, 09:14:46 PM
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Post by: bowler257628 on June 11, 2005, 09:15:56 PM
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Post by: BowlerKidR on June 11, 2005, 09:16:30 PM
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Post by: T Brockette on June 11, 2005, 09:31:44 PM
For some reason, I can't look at the pictures. I am wondering if the ball I got looks like yours. I think Dan might be right, I think mine is a Jekyll.
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Post by: J_Mac on June 12, 2005, 02:31:20 AM
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Post by: BowlersAidProShop-Wells on June 12, 2005, 02:42:35 AM
Post by: J_Mac on June 12, 2005, 09:43:01 AM
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*cough*drive line*cough*
man i must be getting sick..
If the ball has the core from the Alter Ego/Drive line, it's not anything that they currently have on the market. This ball doesn't seem to handle oil very well at all which leads me to believe its a superflex cover.
I also have an Alter Ego that stabilized about 2.5 seconds faster than this ball. The Bonanza is drilled 5.5"x5.5" with a predrilled TW of 1.25 oz. so that could have something to do with the slower spin time.
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Post by: BowlerKidR on June 12, 2005, 09:53:53 AM
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*cough*drive line*cough*
man i must be getting sick..
If the ball has the core from the Alter Ego/Drive line, it's not anything that they currently have on the market. This ball doesn't seem to handle oil very well at all which leads me to believe its a superflex cover.
I also have an Alter Ego that stabilized about 2.5 seconds faster than this ball. The Bonanza is drilled 5.5"x5.5" with a predrilled TW of 1.25 oz. so that could have something to do with the slower spin time.
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Edited on 6/12/2005 9:34 AM
Maybe it is the overseas Alter Ego Pearl
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Post by: J_Mac on June 12, 2005, 10:30:40 PM
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Maybe it is the overseas Alter Ego Pearl
*rolls eyes*
Which is the same color as the Drive... which isn't even close to what I have.
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Post by: J_Mac on June 13, 2005, 04:22:42 PM
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Post by: T Brockette on June 13, 2005, 04:25:44 PM
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Post by: J_Mac on June 13, 2005, 04:35:15 PM
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Post by: BowlersAidProShop-Wells on June 13, 2005, 11:21:48 PM
Post by: DP3 on June 13, 2005, 11:26:39 PM
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Post by: J_Mac on June 13, 2005, 11:34:49 PM
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Maybe if you didnt roll your eyes at people who throw out legitimate offers as to what you have, they might actually give 2 sheets as to what it is. I, personally, dont, but gl in your quest. /me rolls eyes
Had it been someone that I respect I wouldn't have rolled my eyes. I, like many users here, get frustrated when every Tom, Dick, and Harry chime in with their 2 cents.
Am I guilty of this as well? Perhaps, but I at least try to back up my information with something other than personal opinion and experience.
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Post by: J_Mac on June 13, 2005, 11:38:08 PM
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Post by: J_Mac on June 14, 2005, 11:00:10 AM
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Post by: DP3 on June 14, 2005, 11:13:42 AM
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Post by: azus on June 14, 2005, 11:18:21 AM
Post by: J_Mac on June 14, 2005, 11:21:46 AM
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I say a changeling. Or you could just drill it and tell us what it does.
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5.5" stacked, which for me is pretty much pin above bridge and CG in palm. I used it Monday night on the leftovers from the women's tourney shot that as put out Sunday. With this layout the ball is very smooth. I was playing up third arrow or was sometimes able to play across third arrow to 10 at the break point.
I had this drilled weak because the summer shot that I'm practicing on most of the time has a huge backend and I was getting tired of standing around 30 and playing 4th arrow...
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Post by: JPRLane1 on June 14, 2005, 01:05:14 PM
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Post by: TheDude on June 14, 2005, 01:19:26 PM
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Post by: DP3 on June 14, 2005, 10:52:50 PM
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Post by: J_Mac on June 14, 2005, 10:57:35 PM
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Changelings can have any color since they just pour leftover resin. I'm willing to bet that is one.
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Main guy at the proshop I get my work done at thinks it could be one as well. But there still hasn't been a clear cut answer on if it's the core or the coverstock, or both that varies from ball to ball with the Changelings.
For what it's worth I sent the serial number into Columbia asking them what it might be.
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Edited on 6/15/2005 8:04 PM
Post by: bowler257628 on June 14, 2005, 10:57:56 PM
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Post by: J_Mac on June 15, 2005, 08:40:50 PM
Does anyone know how fast a Drive stabilizes when spun?
Layout-
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wOTY5MDM1NnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D.jpg
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Edited on 6/16/2005 8:28 AM
Post by: qstick777 on June 16, 2005, 08:48:59 AM
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Main guy at the proshop I get my work done at thinks it could be one as well. But there still hasn't been a clear cut answer on if it's the core or the coverstock, or both that varies from ball to ball with the Changelings.
For what it's worth I sent the serial number into Columbia asking them what it might be.
Not a Changeling - they are labeled Changeling and all have the Triumph core. Colors are similar to other balls in the family, but all are super-flex coverstock (they just use the left over color mix) - there is a thread at amf300.com where Fig explains the Changeling.
Bonanza II balls, as far as I have been able to find out, are color blems from the c300 family (or specs that aren't first quality). Coverstock and core are the same as the regular ball, you just have to figure out what that ball is!
Let me know if you hear back from Columbia - I e-mailed them with 3 serial numbers of the 3 Bonanza's that I have and have not heard back from them.
Post by: gojr1815 on June 16, 2005, 08:55:39 AM
Post by: qstick777 on June 16, 2005, 09:25:13 AM
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I emailed columbia with a serial number and they said there was no way to know from the serial number.
At least you got a response! My Bonanza's actually have 2 serial numbers - 1 in the Bonanza label area, and another on the other side of the ball (normal serial number location??)
Post by: TheDude on June 16, 2005, 10:13:42 AM
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wOTY5NzM4NnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D.jpg
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wOTY5NzM5NnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D.jpg
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Post by: BowlerKidR on June 16, 2005, 03:06:17 PM
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these are pics of my alter ego pearl, you can see the blue and the same purple that Is In this bonanza.
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wOTY5NzM4NnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D.jpg
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wOTY5NzM5NnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D.jpg
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Post by: TheDude on June 16, 2005, 11:05:34 PM
lol i could have taken pics of my sexy hair legs too, but i'll spare your mothers from having to wash your tidy whiteys twice lol.
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Post by: russdog on July 01, 2005, 09:24:03 AM
The ball I have looks exactly like the one in your pic, and from what I've seen, looks most like a Jekyl to me.
Thanks,
Jeromie
Post by: J_Mac on July 01, 2005, 10:32:02 AM
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Resurrecting this thread - J_Mac, how does this ball react for you? Did you ever come to a conclusion on what this ball is? Just got one myself that I'm going to drill up on Saturday, and was just curious what to expect. I'm going to drill pin under ring finger, kicked out slightly, with the cg kicked out a few inches.
The ball I have looks exactly like the one in your pic, and from what I've seen, looks most like a Jekyl to me.
Thanks,
Jeromie
As I've worn the polish off this ball it has gotten stronger, but I have no idea what the coverstock is. Is the Accelerator coverstock stronger than SuperFlex but smoother through the transition from oil to dry? If that's the case it might be a Drive that's missing the blue. Otherwise it's a Jekyll coverstock around a core with some mass bias.
Have it drilled 5.5 stacked which may not be a great asset to whatever core it has but that's not a drill I use very much so I'm not sure if it's smooth from the layout or the coverstock. It is pretty friendly to hand adjustments though.
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Post by: J_Mac on July 01, 2005, 05:18:13 PM
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Looks EXACTLY like my old triple threat from track.
Corey Husted
So what form of color blindness do you have?
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Post by: bowler257628 on July 01, 2005, 05:45:32 PM
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Looks EXACTLY like my old triple threat from track.
Corey Husted
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wOTg2Nzg1NnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D.jpg compare pictures...
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Post by: J_Mac on July 02, 2005, 12:02:29 AM
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Looks EXACTLY like my old triple threat from track.
Corey Husted
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wOTg2Nzg1NnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D.jpg compare pictures...
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So is that copy of Microsoft Office XP pirated?
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Post by: J_Mac on July 03, 2005, 04:29:10 PM
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Looks like an AMF Justice to me
http://www.amf300.com/index.cfm?p=balls&bid=3
Or maybe a Freakazoid?
http://trackbowling.com/gear/balls.cfm?bid=40
possibly a Thrash also...
doesn't look like any Columbia Ball i've ever had, and definitely not a Jekyll (not even close) or a Drive (not even close)
It's anyone's guess now. I've heard Columbia doesn't handle inquiries on Bonanza's. Kind of disappointing in a way because I wouldn't mind getting another one of these as a first just to compare how much the low top weight affects the reaction.
It's also been amusing to hear everyone's wild ideas as to what it is. Probably just a small run of an idea that someone thought would work for something and didn't do what they expected. Sort of like the Hex Darkside.
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Post by: BowlersAidProShop-Wells on July 05, 2005, 08:42:17 PM
Post by: Doug Sterner on July 05, 2005, 09:09:58 PM
could it be that I got lucky???? Specs are great...2-3" pin and top weight around 2-1/2 oz
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Post by: J_Mac on July 05, 2005, 09:55:40 PM
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the Bonanza 2 I just got from Beans looks exactly like a polished GP2 but it has a considerable amount of silver in the ball. The orange and blue are the exact colors in the GP2 but mine has some silver and is polished...
could it be that I got lucky???? Specs are great...2-3" pin and top weight around 2-1/2 oz
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