Post by: soonerdallas on April 22, 2010, 05:11:26 AM
Post by: icewall on April 22, 2010, 01:39:11 PM
looks very appealing I must say!
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Post by: cheech on April 22, 2010, 02:15:14 PM
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Post by: Juggernaut on April 22, 2010, 02:30:08 PM
Is this what its come to, releasing the EXACT same ball with a new name, surface, and color?
If that's the case, why change the stuff? Why not just let it be a reissue and be done with it?
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Post by: Rival on April 22, 2010, 02:34:49 PM
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Post by: SKIDSNAP on April 22, 2010, 02:38:17 PM
Old core old cover new name new price!!!!
Whoopee!!
Post by: urbanshaft on April 22, 2010, 02:48:17 PM
looks like its the new noize line
Post by: cheech on April 22, 2010, 03:49:05 PM
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Post by: leftyinsnellville on April 22, 2010, 04:01:43 PM
It's the same ball.
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Post by: soonerdallas on April 22, 2010, 07:27:31 PM
Post by: B Red on April 22, 2010, 08:25:59 PM
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Post by: Zack Pelton300 on April 22, 2010, 10:18:30 PM
Post by: cheech on April 23, 2010, 09:28:07 AM
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Post by: Good Times Good Times on April 23, 2010, 09:33:29 AM
Post by: Dave_in_Rio_Rancho on April 23, 2010, 10:35:06 AM
The Resurgence was a great ball, but I have a question.
Is this what its come to, releasing the EXACT same ball with a new name, surface, and color?
If that's the case, why change the stuff? Why not just let it be a reissue and be done with it?"
Juggernaut - What it has come to is that with 6 to 8 guys on the same lane pair throwing aggressive, strong surface balls, the only rational move is to less surface - Unless of course you want to do a Robert Smith and throw the ball over the left channel or you can throw the ball accurately at 25 mph.
Post by: Juggernaut on April 23, 2010, 11:03:57 AM
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"Juggernaut
The Resurgence was a great ball, but I have a question.
Is this what its come to, releasing the EXACT same ball with a new name, surface, and color?
If that's the case, why change the stuff? Why not just let it be a reissue and be done with it?"
Juggernaut - What it has come to is that with 6 to 8 guys on the same lane pair throwing aggressive, strong surface balls, the only rational move is to less surface - Unless of course you want to do a Robert Smith and throw the ball over the left channel or you can throw the ball accurately at 25 mph.
O.K., I get that, but why release the same ball with only a name, color, and surface change? If it's the Resurgence, why not just say so? I mean with the way they word things, aren't they saying that's what this ball is?
People are going to put whatever surface they want on the ball anyway, aren't they? Couldn't they polish a Resurgence just as easily as they can sand a Burst?
So why call it something else? Just to put out another product for C300 junkies who don't do their homework to buy?
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Post by: lightnning11 on April 23, 2010, 11:09:53 AM
Edited on 4/23/2010 11:11 AM
Post by: batbowler on April 23, 2010, 11:10:42 AM
Color: Black/Gold/Silver
Core: Resurgence
Core Type: "New Era" Reactive
Surface: 1000 Abralon
RG Differential: .040 (Medium Flare) on a scale of .000-.080 Low Flare-High Flare
RG Average: 2.47 (Very Low) on a scale of 2.43-2.80 Very Low-High Break Point
Recommended Lane Condition: Medium to Heavy Oil
Description: Unmatched "Friction" potential - Mid lane move with a continuous backend motion. No quit in this one!
You just have to make sure you're comparing apples to apples, like 15lb specs vs 16lb specs!!!
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Post by: Juggernaut on April 23, 2010, 11:58:42 AM
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They released the same ball, with the same over, but they changed the surface... true. But they didn''t call it theresurface(Re-issue?) because, A) to your typical house bowler, the "Resurgence" didn''t do what they wanted to see it do (go long, flip hard), and B) not everyone has the ability to change the surface of a ball if they just came out with the resurgence again. So they released this, the same basic idea, and re-released it with a core that will give them a "rolly" look, but a surface that is closer to a motion that will sell better to your THB... Idk if I''m right or not, but that is my thinking...
Edited on 4/23/2010 11:11 AM
This is cut&paste straight from the C300 site, highlighted to point out the reason for my question:
"It’s Back by popular demand! We couldn’t make you wait any longer. The Resurgence Core is Back and Bursting on the scene. And yes, we wrapped that core with the original New Era shell formula. We designed this one for medium conditions by polishing it with our standard polished 4000 finish to give all bowlers a more even arc on medium to drier conditions. Leave it out of the box and you’ll get a long and even arc to the pins or add some surface and experience a true Resurgence."
So, if it has the Resurgence core, the Resurgence cover, and the only difference is surface finish, is it a BURST, or is it simply a polished Resurgence?
Like you said, not everyone has the ability to change the surface if they don't like it, so why would the MANUFACTURER even mention "adding surface to experience a true RESURGENCE"?
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Post by: KoukiGS on April 23, 2010, 12:15:13 PM
Post by: Juggernaut on April 23, 2010, 12:31:34 PM
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The resurgence was a popular ball and alot of people I know that had them loved them or still have them, but always complained they couldn't stick with it long. This is the option for them. Or they can take the surface back and have a resurgence. The point is, it's not like columbia is offering this at high end price range, they're doing it at mid range, as they did with the freeze at the lower range with recycled coverstock/core. I don't see a big deal with it. If I went online and say high end pricing, I would probably comment on that, but to get it at 108 (buddies), that's fine by me. You're going to pay 80-150 internet price for a ball. This ball is coming in at the lower side of the spectrum. Take it for what it is.
I get that too. And I know it seems like I'm bit*hin* (which I'm not cause the Resurgence IS a great ball), just wondered why they felt it necessary to change the color and the name when they could've just re-issued it in a polished version.
I mean, the FREEZE is a mating of things from two seperate balls (the Messenger core and the Momentum cover), not a re-production of something that already existed.
I guess it's more a marketing question than a viability question, just wondered why, if the Resurgence was good enough to be worth re-making, they felt it necessary to change the name and color?
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Post by: KoukiGS on April 23, 2010, 12:38:56 PM
Post by: leftyinsnellville on April 23, 2010, 12:57:46 PM
The Resurgence was in their "High Performance" class of balls (most expensive). The Burst is in the "Mid-Level Performance" class of balls (much less expensive). If they just re-released the Resurgence in the Mid-Level Performance line, they risk customers delaying a future purchase on the next High Performance release in the hope the same ball would just be later re-released in a less expensive class. Not a good trend for any company to set. But by changing the surface, color, and name they avoid this potential problem, all the while leaving plenty of clues in the marketing language to let the more savvy bowler know that they're getting a high-end ball for a mid-level ball price.
Also keep in mind the timing of this release...just as the season is wrapping up. In order to spark interest during the typical slow season for bowling balls sales, Columbia releases a proven performer at a lower price. They didn't have to spend any money on R&D, they'll probably not spend much on marketing, and there is likely to be a fair number of these babies selling.
Overall a pretty shrewd marketing move by Columbia.
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Post by: Southern_Info on April 23, 2010, 01:17:32 PM
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how do you think this will compare to the pure and full swing?
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Post by: urbanshaft on April 23, 2010, 07:45:10 PM
who can complain
probaly will look ALOT like the momentum
Post by: B Red on April 23, 2010, 09:21:56 PM
As for Columbia releasing the "same ball"...I see it as giving the customers exactly what they wanted. Since the Resurgence and Momentum were discontinued, countless people were in search of these balls brand new and/or BEGGING that these balls be brought back. Well...they got it! Essentially the same ball as the Resurgence, yes, with the numbers slightly tweaked and a different surface. Not to mention all of this at a LOWER price point. For the money, this ball's going to be well worth the investment.
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Post by: urbanshaft on April 24, 2010, 07:22:16 PM
wow it looks great
Post by: Track_Fanatic on April 25, 2010, 11:01:41 AM
Post by: Rival on April 25, 2010, 11:20:08 AM
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Post by: ballcollector on April 25, 2010, 11:25:31 AM
Post by: cheech on April 25, 2010, 03:00:47 PM
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Now I just want them to re-release the Rival... Whether it's under the same name or not... I want that ball in my bag again.
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p.s. go leftys
Post by: MrPerfect on April 25, 2010, 04:33:08 PM
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Now I just want them to re-release the Rival... Whether it's under the same name or not... I want that ball in my bag again.
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p.s. go leftys
+1
Post by: Lillen on May 09, 2010, 10:58:36 AM