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Maintaining particle coverstock
« on: March 16, 2018, 08:41:29 PM »
I just got my hands on a Cuda/C 2000 and was wondering what steps I need to take to keep this coverstock alive? Currently everything rolls great and the reaction is perfect, but I've read that some of these particle coverstocks need more maintenance to keep them alive, though I can't find anything specific that would help me. Any suggestions?

 

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Re: Maintaining particle coverstock
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2018, 11:00:07 PM »
The particle cover balls tended to be even more porous and soak oil even faster.  Oil extraction will be essential.  In addition, the "particles" needed regular maintenance.  The particles were added to enhance friction between the ball and the lane surface.  Some were hard, such as glass or ceramic, while Storm used soft rubber particles to help "grip" the lane.

The type of particle used determined which products worked best to resurface them.  The hard ones could be effectively maintained with virtually any abrasive, while the softer rubber ones were better off being resurfaced with soft back products such as scotch brite, abralon, or the like.

I believe Columbia used the harder particles, so you have many options at your disposal.  Just remember that these balls needed a tad more regular maintenance than others as a whole.

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Re: Maintaining particle coverstock
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2018, 04:51:17 PM »
Thanks notclay great info. (edit: answered mine own question that Visionary uses soft rubber particles like Storm).
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Re: Maintaining particle coverstock
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2018, 06:49:01 PM »
Can't find any information on if the Cuda/C 2000 had TEC in it, but glass particles are tough to maintain too. No sandpaper, lots of water and scotch Brite or abralon. Tec death is a real thing.

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Re: Maintaining particle coverstock
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2018, 07:14:54 PM »
I could be wrong on some of the details because that's been a long time and I'm not getting any younger.   Perhaps charlest has more...

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Re: Maintaining particle coverstock
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2018, 07:15:22 PM »
Can't find any information on if the Cuda/C 2000 had TEC in it, but glass particles are tough to maintain too. No sandpaper, lots of water and scotch Brite or abralon. Tec death is a real thing.

No, the Cuda/C 2000 was not a TEC particle ball per se. It and its Track twin, the Heat 2 Pearl, had a very special particle added ONLY to the surface of its coverstock. I had the Heat 2 Pearl and loved it.

And here is the problem with it: once it was sanded, the particles all but disappeared as if they were never there. The ball became a "plain" resin  with nowhere near the same ability it had before it was sanded. I was not the only one who encountered this resurfacing problem.

The balls with the TEC particles also had special problems with re-surfacing but nothing that couldn't be overcome. They were very soft; so they couldn't be sanded with sandpaper or with Abralon pads. They needed a very light  pressure with Scotch-Brite pads; so as not to sand the particle smooth. One method, pioneered by Ebonite, was to polish the ball and then apply the final desired grit with the Scotch-Brite pad over the polished ball.

FYI
Maroon Scotch-Brite (7447) uses 360 grit CAMI grade abrasive or 360 grit FEPA (Abralon grade)
Green Scotch-Brite (6448) uses 600 grit CAMI grade abrasive or 1200 grit FEPA (Abralon grade)
Light Grey Scotch-Brite (7448) uses 800 grit CAMI grade or 1600 grit FEPA.
Gold Scotch-Brite (7745) uses 1200 grit CAMI or 2400 grit FEPA.

The White Scotch-Brite pad (7445) uses talc [talcum powder] as the abrasive; it will not affect the surface of a bowling ball. So, forget it.
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Re: Maintaining particle coverstock
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2018, 07:20:31 PM »
I have a Yeah Baby with over 1000 games and I have never removed any oil from it. I rough it up occasionally with a burgundy scotch brite pad.

Is this because of the diamonds in the cover??

I do clean the ball every night when finished but I am surprised they don't make them anymore. I bought 3 right after I heard Lane Masters/Legends was going to stop making the diamond/carbon covers.

You probably won't believe this but I use them exclusively when I encounter flying backends. The seem to offer control when reactive balls are too much.

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Re: Maintaining particle coverstock
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2018, 07:25:38 PM »
I have a Yeah Baby with over 1000 games and I have never removed any oil from it. I rough it up occasionally with a burgundy scotch brite pad.

Is this because of the diamonds in the cover??

I do clean the ball every night when finished but I am surprised they don't make them anymore. I bought 3 right after I heard Lane Masters/Legends was going to stop making the diamond/carbon covers.

You probably won't believe this but I use them exclusively when I encounter flying backends. The seem to offer control when reactive balls are too much.

Nothing abrasive could affect the diamonds used as particle in the original Legends coverstocks except diamond pads which were VERY expensive. They were finished at 800 grit CAMI/1600 grit FEPA and that's where they stayed. You could affect the resin in which they were embedded to make the ball go longer but when they hooked the diamond particle would grab the lane and it would HOOK.

I once polished a New Standard II which had a heavy load of particles. It went longer but when it grabbed the lane, it grabbed HARD.
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Re: Maintaining particle coverstock
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2018, 11:33:08 PM »
One use I have found for the white scotch brites is they are awesome for cleaning belt marks off and removing lane shine without changing finish much.  Granted not buying new ones but do work better than microfiber especially with a spinner.

(edit:  Actually I think the 7445 are not talc (talc based sheets look pinkish white) - Scotch-Brite(TM) Light Cleansing Hand Pad 07445, Aluminum Silicate, 9" Length x 6" Width, White (Pack of 20) - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00EW87ARM/ref=sspa_dk_detail_2?psc=1 and https://www.grainger.com/product/SCOTCH-BRITE-Super-Fine-Grade-2DKV6 ).  Then again according to the product sheet the abrasive is Nepheline Syenite which I guess is mostly aluminum silicate, TBH I hate how convoluted Scotch Brite product info can be and how hard it is to order in small quantities (Grainger store regular now) but love using them - https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-us/all-3m-products/~/Scotch-Brite-Light-Cleansing-Hand-Pad-7445/?N=5002385+3293194061&rt=rud

Agree they don't seem to change surface much though especially by hand.  Maybe I mirror polish a ball and test on spinner to see if can knock polish off like it should be able too (edit:  just did test and yes very slowly it knocks polish off, really have to grind for 30 sec a side though)
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Re: Maintaining particle coverstock
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2018, 11:39:12 AM »

(edit:  Actually I think the 7445 are not talc (talc based sheets look pinkish white) - Scotch-Brite(TM) Light Cleansing Hand Pad 07445, Aluminum Silicate, 9" Length x 6" Width, White (Pack of 20) - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00EW87ARM/ref=sspa_dk_detail_2?psc=1 and https://www.grainger.com/product/SCOTCH-BRITE-Super-Fine-Grade-2DKV6 ).  Then again according to the product sheet the abrasive is Nepheline Syenite which I guess is mostly aluminum silicate,....


I would guess that 3M has changed the specs on the White 7445 pad since i talked to them last. In any case it makes little difference whether it's aluminum silicate or talc that is used as the abrasive on these pads, since they both rate a 1 on the Mohs hardness scale. I stnd by what I said as to the 7445 white pad being of significantly less use on bowling balls.

Silicon Carbide and Aluminum Oxide, used in Abralon and Siaair pads, both rate a 9 and 9-10, respectively, out of 10 on the Mohs scale, with diamonds being a 10.
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Re: Maintaining particle coverstock
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2018, 12:21:17 PM »

(edit:  Actually I think the 7445 are not talc (talc based sheets look pinkish white) - Scotch-Brite(TM) Light Cleansing Hand Pad 07445, Aluminum Silicate, 9" Length x 6" Width, White (Pack of 20) - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00EW87ARM/ref=sspa_dk_detail_2?psc=1 and https://www.grainger.com/product/SCOTCH-BRITE-Super-Fine-Grade-2DKV6 ).  Then again according to the product sheet the abrasive is Nepheline Syenite which I guess is mostly aluminum silicate,....


I would guess that 3M has changed the specs on the White 7445 pad since i talked to them last. In any case it makes little difference whether it's aluminum silicate or talc that is used as the abrasive on these pads, since they both rate a 1 on the Mohs hardness scale. I stnd by what I said as to the 7445 white pad being of significantly less use on bowling balls.

Silicon Carbide and Aluminum Oxide, used in Abralon and Siaair pads, both rate a 9 and 9-10, respectively, out of 10 on the Mohs scale, with diamonds being a 10.

Ah good to know.  Will use them for cleaning only (lesson learned).  Looked again at ball this morning I used them on and hard to see any polish knocked off so you right.    Thanks again for the explanation.
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Re: Maintaining particle coverstock
« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2018, 01:41:15 PM »
Went down the rabbit hole on this one, from MSDS on 3MTM Scotch-BriteTM Products, 7445, Light Duty Pad and my web searching ninja skills found out Nepheline Syenite does indeed have a hardness of 6 but is a small part of the total abrasive (I think) which explains why the white pads has ever so slight of a bite I guess.

Ingredient C.A.S. No. % by Wt
Nepheline Syenite Mineral 37244-96-5 25 - 35
Additive 13463-67-7 0.1 - 2
Polyester Fiber Mixture 40 - 55
Cured Resin Mixture 20 - 30

Substance Name: Nepheline syenite
RN: 37244-96-5
Note

    Nepheline is a rock composed of various silicates; syenite is a rock composed of KA(1) silicate; constituent of an aluminum porcelain ceramic which contains 95% aluminum oxide & 5% nepheline syenite; used for dental implants.


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Re: Maintaining particle coverstock
« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2018, 03:20:11 PM »
Went down the rabbit hole on this one, from MSDS on 3MTM Scotch-BriteTM Products, 7445, Light Duty Pad and my web searching ninja skills found out Nepheline Syenite does indeed have a hardness of 6 but is only 5% of the total abrasive which explains why the white pads has ever so slight of a bite I guess.

Ingredient C.A.S. No. % by Wt
Nepheline Syenite Mineral 37244-96-5 25 - 35
Additive 13463-67-7 0.1 - 2
Polyester Fiber Mixture 40 - 55
Cured Resin Mixture 20 - 30

Substance Name: Nepheline syenite
RN: 37244-96-5
Note

    Nepheline is a rock composed of various silicates; syenite is a rock composed of KA(1) silicate; constituent of an aluminum porcelain ceramic which contains 95% aluminum oxide & 5% nepheline syenite; used for dental implants.


:) I wasn't handing you a line of BS. 
No idea why they specified that nepheline syenite as THE abrasive. I guess they're too embarrassed to say it was talcum powder, which has been shown to produce lung cancer, if I recall correctly.  Baby powder now uses corn powder instead of talcum powder. Somebody got sued big time. :)
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Re: Maintaining particle coverstock
« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2018, 03:22:48 PM »
Went down the rabbit hole on this one, from MSDS on 3MTM Scotch-BriteTM Products, 7445, Light Duty Pad and my web searching ninja skills found out Nepheline Syenite does indeed have a hardness of 6 but is only 5% of the total abrasive which explains why the white pads has ever so slight of a bite I guess.

Ingredient C.A.S. No. % by Wt
Nepheline Syenite Mineral 37244-96-5 25 - 35
Additive 13463-67-7 0.1 - 2
Polyester Fiber Mixture 40 - 55
Cured Resin Mixture 20 - 30

Substance Name: Nepheline syenite
RN: 37244-96-5
Note

    Nepheline is a rock composed of various silicates; syenite is a rock composed of KA(1) silicate; constituent of an aluminum porcelain ceramic which contains 95% aluminum oxide & 5% nepheline syenite; used for dental implants.


:) I wasn't handing you a line of BS. 
No idea why they specified that nepheline syenite as THE abrasive. I guess they're too embarrassed to say it was talcum powder, which has been shown to produce lung cancer, if I recall correctly.  Baby powder now uses corn powder instead of talcum powder. Somebody got sued big time. :)

Oh not questioning you at all (full stop) as its pretty obvious it is nothing like abralon on the ball.  Just was trying to square the circle.  Light duty cleaning is about all its good for (ie removing belt marks) which is why recently ordered me some gold to actually change the grit.
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