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Equipment Boards => Columbia 300 => Topic started by: Aloarjr810 on August 21, 2015, 10:31:11 AM
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That little rubber ball hit like a piece of lead!! (at about 6mins in)
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So is it symmetrical or asymmetrical? Looks cool though.
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Asymmetrical. Int Diff 0.007
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With a .007 mass bias (it wouldn't have a MB mark) and the way they talk about it, I'm going with a weak asymmetrical.
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Interesting piece of marketing.
Say basically one more time!!!
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Heres a great comment about C300 and the hypershock:
I predict when this ball has been out for a while, people will determine it's not any better than current balls.
They must think their customer base is completely ignorant of the fundamentals of physics.
They are flat out lying in that video.
The ball that doesn't bounce, if that ingredient was in the core of the ball, the pin would bounce less not more.
There is no reason to make the cover stock more rigid so the impact energy gets transferred to the core, because the core isn't going to reflect that energy back out.
Just like the ball being dropped, the impact energy is transferred into the ball, but since it isn't reflected back to what it landed on, there is no force making the ball bounce up.
The ball is probably made of the same stuff as any other C300 ball.
All the new whiz bang ingredients are just parlor tricks to impress the gullible.
So C300 doesn't know physics and are liars.
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https://youtu.be/3fi-DVl72B8
Thank you ;D
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Perhaps the 'no bounce' means the ball does not stray from its path through the pins as much? That's what I took from it.
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You bet
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Perhaps the 'no bounce' means the ball does not stray from its path through the pins as much? That's what I took from it.
That's kind of what I figured they were trying to get at too, but it just comes across as marketing BS...basically.
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To me it sounds like back when they started using the hard ceramic cores in balls. So the ball didn't have as much give as others.
A analogy used at the time was the pillow analogy, the old balls were like pillows and the ones with a ceramic core was like a pillow with a brick in it.
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So this ball won't deflect? Great, ill take 8, and I expect to shoot no less than 820 everytime out. This is the biggest farce I've ever seen in regards to bowling ball marketing.
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Perhaps the 'no bounce' means the ball does not stray from its path through the pins as much? That's what I took from it.
It seems like when the pins hit the ball, the new core material will absorb the energy and the pin will rebound less, not more.
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But all those high flush shots in the video though!
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So, is it about energy absorption, or energy transfer?
The basic laws of physics dictate that any action is met with an equal, but opposite, reaction, so it has to have something to do with what happens upon impact.
Maybe somebody has the info on the C. O. R. numbers as compared to a "regular" outer core wrap material with the same shell material? Maybe they've found a way to maximize that.
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Whatever you do the COR limit is .750 and it isn't hard to get close to that number.
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So, is it about energy absorption, or energy transfer?
The basic laws of physics dictate that any action is met with an equal, but opposite, reaction, so it has to have something to do with what happens upon impact.
Maybe somebody has the info on the C. O. R. numbers as compared to a "regular" outer core wrap material with the same shell material? Maybe they've found a way to maximize that.
Absorption and transfer of energy are 2 sides of the same coin. If the carbon fiber absorbs xx% the energy applied, that percentage of the total energy applied cannot, is not transferred. COR is all about transferred energy.
FYI Carbon fiber is used in the stereo reproduction industry and others to absorb energy; i.e. to insure it is not transferred. I have some carbon fiber platforms under CD players and other pieces of electronics for just that purpose; they seem to do that job.
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Charlest, you seem to have a pretty good understanding about energy absorption/energy transfer and how that may effect pin carry. So in your opinion is what they talked about in the video for real and can it actually make this ball different in energy retention and pin carry from any prior balls manufactured. Or is it just some more marketing hype to sell more balls?
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Charlest, you seem to have a pretty good understanding about energy absorption/energy transfer and how that may effect pin carry. So in your opinion is what they talked about in the video for real and can it actually make this ball different in energy retention and pin carry from any prior balls manufactured. Or is it just some more marketing hype to sell more balls?
I know what I use Carbon fiber for in my audio/stereo set-up: to absorb unwanted vibrations. I cannot understand how this capability of carbon fiber is applied to a core's construction in such a way as to increase the response of a ball hitting pins. From what I understand of carbon fiber, it apparent effect should be the opposite of what is desirable. Maybe my understanding of CF does not apply to ball cores. I remain perplexed at the current explanation.
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Hey Charlest,
Is carbon fiber what they're talking about here? I know Ebi has been using that selling point in the Hammer line. This has been termed "viscoelastic", but that sounds more like a property than a material unto itself.
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"Viscoelasticity" is the property of materials that exhibit both viscous and elastic characteristics when undergoing deformation.
In the video they don't say what the material is they are adding to the ball. They don't mention carbon fiber at all.
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Hey Charlest,
Is carbon fiber what they're talking about here? I know Ebi has been using that selling point in the Hammer line. This has been termed "viscoelastic", but that sounds more like a property than a material unto itself.
As I said, I don't know how they're applying Carbon Fiber in this case. They might be mixing it with graphite or some other polymer. Yes, viscoelasticity is a property, not a material. They did not seem to give enough info; what I heard about the use of Carbon Fiber is contrary to what I know about its use. A more detailed explanation and/or description is necessary to explain what they're doing.
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As I said, I don't know how they're applying Carbon Fiber in this case.
There's nothing saying they are using Carbon Fiber in the first place.
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As I said, I don't know how they're applying Carbon Fiber in this case.
There's nothing saying they are using Carbon Fiber in the first place.
And there is nothing that is saying that they aren't... it's all about not stepping on their (Hammer/EBI) own toes. It's predominantly hype/marketing...
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As I said, I don't know how they're applying Carbon Fiber in this case.
There's nothing saying they are using Carbon Fiber in the first place.
I guess I better go listen to that video again.
Yes, apologies, they don't use the phrase, "Carbon Fiber".
They do bandy some techy words about without explaining them, like "Cross linked polymer matrix"; but the concept of vibration absorption is still applicable, whether it's Carbon Fiber, like Hammer uses, Sorbothane or Iso-Damp. They all absorb vibration to an extreme degree. Most don't bounce as in that experiment.
I still don't understand how when applying this to a core, it provides a greater COR.
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As I said, I don't know how they're applying Carbon Fiber in this case.
There's nothing saying they are using Carbon Fiber in the first place.
I guess I better go listen to that video again.
I'm just guessing, but I bet you read the post on BBE where BSoares said: " If they don't, then it's just a marketing gimmick like carbon fiber in the cover. " that Hammer did.
and that's where you picked it up. That's the only place I saw CF mentioned but it was in reference to Hammers stuff.
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As I said, I don't know how they're applying Carbon Fiber in this case.
There's nothing saying they are using Carbon Fiber in the first place.
I guess I better go listen to that video again.
I'm just guessing, but I bet you read the post on BBE where BSoares said: " If they don't, then it's just a marketing gimmick like carbon fiber in the cover. " that Hammer did.
and that's where you picked it up. That's the only place I saw CF mentioned but it was in reference to Hammers stuff.
I do remember Soares, but I can't say for sure that was the reason I picked up on "carbon fiber". I'd really love to know what the chemistry involved in this process is.
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Here we go Happy Sad Balls
http://www.polymerambassadors.org/happyandsad.pdf (http://www.polymerambassadors.org/happyandsad.pdf)
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Here we go Happy Sad Balls
http://www.polymerambassadors.org/happyandsad.pdf (http://www.polymerambassadors.org/happyandsad.pdf)
Yup, same difference as what the Columbia tape showed.
"Sad Balls" are made from Nosorex. Here's a quote from one source:
"You can see that one bounces and one stays on the ground. Why? They are made of two different materials: Polychloropene (trade name Neoprene) and Polynorbornene (trade name Norsorex). Both feel nice and rubbery and are about the same density. Both are pretty elastic – when you squish them, they return to shape nicely. Polychloropene is very bouncy – it wants to snap back to shape quickly. Polynorbornene is an impact-absorbing material that can be used for things like shoe insoles and high-tech golf balls."
here's one place where you can buy them:
http://www.teachersource.com/product/choositz-decision-balls/energy (http://www.teachersource.com/product/choositz-decision-balls/energy), as a teacher's aid.
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All the companies use some type of marketing/smoke and mirrors! Lane #1 has been the king, Motiv used it when they started making bowling ball and telling people, you can hear the difference! Brunswick, Hammer, Storm, etc..... They all use some type! I remember years ago that Brunswick had the commercial with the LT-48, the working ball and with the Rhino! AMF had similar commercials with the Angle line! lol Just my $.02, Bruce
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Whatever. I've been happy with Columbia balls of late, and I have a Swerve on order. Even if "Hypershock" is all hype, I'm betting the ball is going to be OK. BJI has already done a review of the Swerve, and they're high on it for longer flat sport shot patterns. That's good enough for me.
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I have been using the Swerve lately, it is possible it just matches up with my game, but its been a solid addition to my arsenal.
On a medium sport higher volume pattern now, just great motion and just drives through the pins like nothing else I have seen.
Started out with the Paradox outside, burned it up some, moved in and switched to Swerve, seemed to kick out a few more of the corners the Paradox didn't
So far, small sample, but it has raised my confidence level for sure
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I have been using the Swerve lately, it is possible it just matches up with my game, but its been a solid addition to my arsenal.
On a medium sport higher volume pattern now, just great motion and just drives through the pins like nothing else I have seen.
Started out with the Paradox outside, burned it up some, moved in and switched to Swerve, seemed to kick out a few more of the corners the Paradox didn't
So far, small sample, but it has raised my confidence level for sure
So I guess this is the "Ball of the Year" now?
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Such a thoughtful and articulate comment
You must know everything
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Such a thoughtful and articulate comment
You must know everything
Yea, it's silly of me to think that. It's early in the year and Ebonite will have several more new releases to be hyped yet.