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Title: Columbia customer service is terrible
Post by: bdomina on October 26, 2006, 08:04:40 AM
I bought a columbia 3 ball roller on line and it is completely defective. The stitching is coming out in places and the main zipper is broken. I had this damn thing for less than a year. That's what I get for buying a cheap columbia product. My budget wouldn't allow me to get a phatty bag though. I guess I have no chioce now. I sent emails over a month ago with no reply. I call them today and they blew me off. they said I need to return to the company. I understand this but I did buy it off line as I do most of my gear. It is a real pain to fork out shipping and wait for 3 other companies to do the same thing. Dynothane and storm and Morich's customer service is top rate and this crappy company could take a lesson from them. I'm sure chris barnes doesn't have to deal with this.
Title: Re: Columbia customer service is terrible
Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on October 26, 2006, 04:17:43 PM
#1-Do you have the original receipt when you purchased the bag?
#2-Have you contacted the retailer where you purchased the bag?
#3-Are you aware of the warranty for this particular product?
#4-Do any of these concerns appear to be the result of neglect or misuse?
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Title: Re: Columbia customer service is terrible
Post by: Mvpbowler on October 26, 2006, 04:18:42 PM
Deadbait you crack me up... how is he trying to screw a pro shop!?! He was simply offered a better deal by buying it online. You can buy everything and anything online now a days! So why wouldn't you?

BD I am sorry to hear that you got the run a round by Columbia. I have never personally delt with them but have heard a few stories. Hope things get straightened out and you get a new bag.
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Title: Re: Columbia customer service is terrible
Post by: JOE FALCO on October 26, 2006, 04:22:47 PM
BD .. I'm not taking sides here .. but .. when you received the bag about a year ago it must have been OK other wise you would have screamed. Now you have the bag for a YEAR (or close to it) and you complain about POOR WORMENSHIP (I guess) .. exactly what are you expecting the company to do?
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Title: Re: Columbia customer service is terrible
Post by: Mvpbowler on October 26, 2006, 04:25:32 PM
Falco... Most companies do have warranties on their bags. Usually it is up to a year. I actually think Columbia a few years back offered something like a 2 year warranty on all their bags. Don't quote me on that one.

I guess it all boils down to how loyal do bowling ball companies want their customers to be to them?! You take care of them, they will always come back to your product!!
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Title: Re: Columbia customer service is terrible
Post by: Strapper_Squared on October 26, 2006, 04:36:39 PM
Aren't the warranties something to the effect of defects in material and/or workmanship?  Meaning if under normal conditions, the material rips from the edges, the zippers blow apart, or the plastic base cracks?  The key being under normal use...  if you are throwing it into the back of the vehicle..or pulling it up and down steps, or let the airline handle it on the way to nationals (have had many bags damaged that way), then you are S.O.L.  If however, the bag has been stored at the bowling center and wheeled across the floor to your lane and back each week for league and you find that everything is coming un-done, then you probably have a legitimate complaint here...  

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Title: Re: Columbia customer service is terrible
Post by: J_L_B on October 26, 2006, 07:13:55 PM
I've sent a few of my customer's Columbia bags back to my distributor with broken handles, bad stitching or broken zippers and received full credit or a replacement in every case.

In the above case, I hope this guy has learned a valuable lesson why dealing with online retailers when it comes to damaged products can and often is a pain in the a**......
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Title: Re: Columbia customer service is terrible
Post by: J_L_B on October 26, 2006, 07:15:07 PM
quote:
I'm sure chris barnes doesn't have to deal with this.



Oh, and you're not Chris Barnes.....
Title: Re: Columbia customer service is terrible
Post by: monstercrank on October 26, 2006, 07:28:42 PM
quote:
I'm sure chris barnes doesn't have to deal with this.

Yea, I can promise you he dosent lol. But like someone said, you arent Chris Barnes, one of the top 5 bowlers on the planet....
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Title: Re: Columbia customer service is terrible
Post by: JOE FALCO on October 26, 2006, 10:08:47 PM
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The stitching is coming out in places and the main zipper is broken. I had this damn thing for less than a year.  


Let's say it's less then a year .. I don't know if zippers are included with Warranty .. then we have the case that MAYBE it's over a year .. would damage defined be considered NORMAL WEAR and TARE? From problem description you can't tell which ZIPPER is broken or WHAT broken defines! What does STITCHING IS COMING OUT mean .. is this normal after approximately a year?

I understand companies being asked to stand behind CRACKED BALLS .. but what sounds like normal wear on a BOWLING BAG is difficult for me to think REPLACEMENT!

Guess I'm WRONG!

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Title: Re: Columbia customer service is terrible
Post by: clintdaley on October 26, 2006, 10:21:19 PM
This is what i preach to people all the time about buying online. Not taking sides, but the way its supposed to happen is for the person to return it to the place of purchase for a refund/replacement....and that goes for balls, bags, shoes, etc. The manufacturer does not know who bought their stuff, only distributors can buy from them. And only pro shops, whether online or not, can buy from distributors.

A little story...although not quite like yours, I had a person bring me a ball they bought online since they could get it $70 cheaper...well...after shipping, drilling, finger grips, and thumb slug, they saved a whopping $10. Within 4 weeks, the ball cracked from the pin to the finger holes...and the pin was at least 3 inches from the finger holes. He brought it to me and said what are you going to do..I said nothing, He was mad, but I explained it to him like this. I had not purchased this particular ball from my dist. My dist will ONLY return items I purchase from them. so, I could not return it....so he was forced to send it back to the online site he bought it from....had to pay $10 to ship it back, then, they shipped him another one AFTER WAITING for the to determine if he should get a new ball....3 weeks later....so, now he has $200 in this ball....and he brings it to me to drill again....and I tell him, well, I am charging you X amount to drill...he was livid....BUT, I had to use more grips, my time, and another slug, etc....if it was my fault, it would have been replaced NO QUESTIONS ASKED...but he wanted to save a few bucks...and it backfired. If he would have bought from me, he could have returned the ball, and I would have offered him ANYTHING in stock and redrilled FOR NO CHARGE.....but he chose to try to save a few bucks...

If the person you bought it from refuses to refund you/replace it for you...then you have a case and go to Columbia and tell them a dist will not honor a warranty. That is a odfferent situation and should be rectified.

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Edited on 10/26/2006 10:21 PM
Title: Re: Columbia customer service is terrible
Post by: Stan on October 26, 2006, 10:24:56 PM
First off, Columbia is a top notch company.  I have had numerous problems with customer bags from ALL companies.  My distributor has never had a problem replacing the bag.  Most manufacturers do not even want the bag back, they take the word of their distributor that the bag was defective.

Your problem is not with Columbia but with the retailer you purchased the bag from. This should be a lesson learned.  Buy from only reputable Pro Shops, online or off.
Title: Re: Columbia customer service is terrible
Post by: Hoselrockets on October 27, 2006, 09:54:38 AM
Ok first off Columbia has a 5 YEAR WARRENTY on our bags,  this particular situation would be covered under our 5 YEAR WARRENTY. I'm sorry to hear about your sittuation but we will stand behind our product.  We require that our warrenty's be handled from the original place of purchase.  If you are having a hard time getting this handled you can contact me at joej@columbia300.com.
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Title: Re: Columbia customer service is terrible
Post by: newguy on October 27, 2006, 01:29:18 PM
The process is very simple, we honor all defective merchandise provided it is returned through the channel through which it was purchased. Example if you purchased it through a pro shop, return it to that pro shop, he in turn would return it through the distributor that he purchased it from and we would give a credit to the distributor (our customer) the distributor would replace it to the pro shop and he would replace it to you. Since you purchased it on line simply replace internet site with pro shop and if your internet guy is reputable it flows the same way. Our customer service department is not the place to go since they did not sell the bag to either you or the internet site. Our customer is the distributor. I'm certain they explained this process to you when you called.
Title: Re: Columbia customer service is terrible
Post by: bdomina on October 27, 2006, 07:46:47 PM
No. I'm not hearing this crap, screw you haters. The same thing happened to my buddies EPX piece of junk ball. If you want to slob all over the biggest bowling company in the world then go ahead. I will not. I have gotten better results from companies not even half of the size as them. They can afford it, especially if they plan on my ever buying a columbia product again. I wouldn't make a bit of difference in their business if I didn't buy them but that really isn't the point.I have had bags last twice as long as this with 100 times more "abuse". This is point blank a crappy product. And it is their cheapest too. Why don't proshop owners pay 50% more than they have to? because they aren't stupid. So why should I. Oh wait. I don't. Thanks for the email columbia guy but after this flaming I throw the damn thing in the trash where it belongs. God forbid I post my experience and opinion on a forum where it belongs.
Title: Re: Columbia customer service is terrible
Post by: bstone on October 27, 2006, 07:57:03 PM
I figure that ANY bowling equipment company will not treat me like Chris Barnes.
But hopefully I've spent enough $$$ at my local pro shop to be treated as well as anyone if I have a problem with merchandise. hard to have that connection online unless you deal exclusively with 1 person...
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Title: Re: Columbia customer service is terrible
Post by: CBowl on October 28, 2006, 04:02:19 PM
The point here is not if C300 will warranty the bag but rather you purchased the bag online and now want the company to bear the burden of the shipping. It's like anyhting you buy, the burden of returning the item back to the manufacture falls on the consumer.  If you would of purchased the bag from your local pro shop they could of take it back for you and just replace the bag he has in stock.  You wanted to save less than $10.00 on shipping and now have a headache on a defect product.
Stop buying online
Title: Re: Columbia customer service is terrible
Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on October 28, 2006, 04:14:25 PM
FWIW, I've had a Hi-Roller IV for about eight months and it's performed flawlessly.  I've pulled it up and down stairs, up and over curbs, detatched the two-ball topper countless times, slammed it into my trunk, and placed it on the concrete floor of my driveway and garage.  Still looks just as good as the day it was taken out of the box.  However, something tells me that after 59 1/2 months, it's gonna fall apart and I'll have to pony up the $$ to ship it to San Antonio for a new one.
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Title: Re: Columbia customer service is terrible
Post by: Xfest on October 28, 2006, 04:30:37 PM
www.bowling.com will always take something back if damaged or cracked. They will send a replacement.
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Title: Re: Columbia customer service is terrible
Post by: wasted talent on October 29, 2006, 01:40:43 AM
You must purchase their platinum insurance (9.95 for balls and 4-ball rollers) and must still pay freight back to them (anywhere from $15 to $25). Still doesn't beat a proshop replacing it on the spot.
Title: Re: Columbia customer service is terrible
Post by: clintdaley on October 29, 2006, 05:53:42 AM
Not a hater, and understand what you are saying, however, that is their policy, to return defective items to the place of purchase...even when I had a return, I am on Track staff, and guess what, had to return it to my dist, not to Columbia....so they don't make exceptions either....
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Title: Re: Columbia customer service is terrible
Post by: Tex on November 01, 2006, 06:55:40 AM
I have the three ball roller and the week I got it, the handle lock broke. I notified the proshop, we dropped it off at the distributer and it was replaced no questions asked. The replacement has not had any problems and it almost a year old. Columbia has been extremely cooperative since I switched over to their equipment. They have responded quickly to e-mail questions about balls or arsenal set-ups or whatever I needed.
Title: Re: Columbia customer service is terrible
Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on November 01, 2006, 10:02:34 AM
(sarcasm on)

Tex, no matter how much evidence to the contrary you(or anyone else for that matter) provide, Columbia 300's customer service is terrible.

(sarcasm off)
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Title: Re: Columbia customer service is terrible
Post by: jls on November 01, 2006, 02:42:22 PM
wiseman say "talking to a dummy only makes one look stupid if one listen's to what dummy say".

now for the zillion time,  so sad too bad about your bag.
follow THE RULES like the rest of us, and you would or will get a replacement.
choose to be yourself, and you will get nothing, throwing the bag in the garbage!!!!!  sharp real sharp.

what's next,  going to cut your nose off despite your face???

when you were young and did not get you way, did you take your ball and go home?

grow up, stop bashing a good company,  and just for the record sir!!!!!!!!!!

just about all bags are made in or near china,  for just about all the companies.  so when you say columbia's bags suck, how can that be?? when the same underpaid little chinese person probably makes them as well as storm, as well as kr etc etc.  
or did you think that these bags are made here??????

i hope not.

rules are not made to like,  they are made to follow!!!!!
why don't you try it,  the rest of us do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Title: Re: Columbia customer service is terrible
Post by: Big Columbia on November 01, 2006, 03:03:57 PM
C300 bags do suck. I don't buy any other bowling equipment besides C300, so I really can't say how the quality of the bags are for any other company. I for one will not defend somnething that isnt so. I have bought about every ball that C300 has made in the last 2 years and multiples on most of them. They make an awesome ball, but sugar coating there bag lines isnt going to make the product better......
Title: Re: Columbia customer service is terrible
Post by: jls on November 04, 2006, 07:37:02 AM
big c,  no one is trying to sugar coat anything.  it's a well know fact that all bowling bags are made overseas.  and there is a real good chance,  all in the same place.

therefore how is it possible that one companies bags can be better then another's???

now as far as columbia's warranty's.  we have never had a problem getting anything from columbia warrantied.

of course we do have to follow their procedure.  just like with all the other companies.
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Title: Re: Columbia customer service is terrible
Post by: Stan on November 04, 2006, 07:48:00 AM
Columbia, like all companies, set up a process for all defective returns.  You think you are special and can bypass the process and it is not working and you are complaining.

Like the rest of us, follow the rules and you would have already had a replacement.  Do not follow the rules and you are left complaining.

I guess all you want to do is complain and not replace the bag.

Bottom line, you like to whine with no real substance to back you up.
Title: Re: Columbia customer service is terrible
Post by: justdale on November 04, 2006, 07:52:21 AM
If you would've bought the bag from your pro-shop, you wouldn't have these feelings about Columbia300. The pro shop would've replaced your bag, and you would be a happy customer.
That's one reason for not shopping for your bowling equipment on line
Title: Re: Columbia customer service is terrible
Post by: Big Columbia on November 04, 2006, 08:17:32 AM
I have no ill feelings for C300, they are a great company. I just think there bags suck. The problem isnt me return the defective bag, it's the bags being defective in the 1st place. If it was a better quality bag then we wouldnt have to return so many to the palce of purchase be it online or proshop. All I'm saying is this problem should be fixed in the front end not the back.......
Title: Re: Columbia customer service is terrible
Post by: Big Columbia on November 04, 2006, 06:43:42 PM
Just to set you straight JDT. I was not the one that started this thread. I simply said that Columbia should make a better bag, period. And again Columbia bags suck and I am not looking for a refund. Don't want to contact C300 and will not contact them and I have no reason to contact them......
Title: Re: Columbia customer service is terrible
Post by: newguy on November 04, 2006, 10:28:12 PM
Why do new car dealerships have a service repair center on the premises.If they sell new cars how on earth could one be defective and need service?
Sometimes we get a defect from the factory. We replace it through the channel it was purchased, plan and simple.
Title: Re: Columbia customer service is terrible
Post by: cficare068 on November 05, 2006, 05:08:39 AM
LOL.  Columbia Doesn't make there own bags KR pretty much makes everyones bags (except storm) and then put there label on it.  So complaining about Columbia isn't going to do much.
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Title: Re: Columbia customer service is terrible
Post by: CBowl on November 05, 2006, 07:59:04 PM
KR makes Brunswick and KR bags only.
Title: Re: Columbia customer service is terrible
Post by: Traumabill on November 06, 2006, 06:56:42 AM
Not true Cbowl.  The above statement is true.  All others except for Storm, and a couple of import lines are done by KR.
Title: Re: Columbia customer service is terrible
Post by: Brodieman on November 06, 2006, 07:12:10 AM
I have been experiencing the same problem.  

I received it as a gift which was purchased from an online retailer and they went under.  Columbia confirmed this and said they would honor the warranty.  Well after receiving an RMA to return it to them its been nothing but a hassle since that time. First its oh yeah its going to be out with in a week when we receive our shipment.  A freaking month goes by. I e-mail the customer service rep, no reply.  I e-mail a second time, no reply.  The third time I was less than shall we say cordial and I finally got an answer, though more like a put off.  The excuse they give me is that its back ordered blah blah blah we have so many orders.  I told them a comparable replacement is fine...hell even if its cheaper...i guess i have to e-mail 2 more times because once again and 4 months later im without a bag.
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Title: Re: Columbia customer service is terrible
Post by: big_bg on November 07, 2006, 03:53:07 PM
i had a great expierience with columbia customer service, i e-mailed them asking how to get a new wheel nut for my 4 ball bag, i had it for 6 months and the nut fell off and was lost, i had no problem paying for a new one but columbia sent me a new wheel nut they also sent me a brand new wheel and bearing, all for free, it was shipped to my door free of charge within two weeks, i have nothing but good things to say. As it always goes, if you are nice to them and fully explain the situation without attacking them then most companies will help you out
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