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tdub36tjt

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Momentum
« on: March 12, 2008, 01:48:17 PM »
I finally got a Momentum. I had it drilled with the #1 drill pattern on it. WHich is a 4 1/2 in pin to PAP with cg in the palm. The thing is I am tracking like 3 inches from my center of grip. I have never had a ball that tracked this far from my grip before. Why might it be tracking so far away?? When I threw it with polish on it I could hardly get it to budge. My Wrath Dead Flush was hooking circles around it. So, I knocked the polish off it and it came alive, but without polish is close to what I expected oob with the Momentum...

My PAP is: 4 9/16 over 3/8 up. Any ideas?


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Re: Momentum
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2008, 08:55:16 PM »
hmm..A guy on my team has this ball. Im not sure how its drilled, but I know its out of box surface and the ball is a beast on the lanes. He can really crush the pins with it. It also has a lot of hook do it with some decent backend.

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tdub36tjt

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Re: Momentum
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2008, 11:52:16 PM »
Mine is about 6 borads weaker than my Wrath Dead Flush. I am confused by the ball. My driller thinks it is the layout on the ball....He couldn't figure out why they would recommend that layout anyways.. I might just plug and re-drill it and try again.
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TWOHAND834

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Re: Momentum
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2008, 12:04:13 AM »
How is the Dead Flush drilled?  Secondly, the Momentum could be dying.  The rg is 2.47 vs the Dead Flush's rg being 2.55.  If the heads are going away a little bit, the weaker cover and higher rg of the DF are going to get down the lane better, thus saving energy for a backend reaction.  If I had to guess, I would say the DF has the cg swung out and maybe a weight hole?  This would help create even more backend depending on how far the cg is kicked.  But, that is my first thought, the Momentum is burning up and the layout also tames down the backend.
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Re: Momentum
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2008, 08:08:12 AM »
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the Momentum could be dying.


Please don't use the term "dying" when its very obvious the ball is burning up and rolling out...the term "dying" confuses people and makes them think the coverstock isn't very good.  Thanks...
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Re: Momentum
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2008, 02:22:05 PM »
What is going to confuse them?  "Dying" is a term that is used rather frequent when describing a ball reaction.  That is also why I said "burning up" towards the end of my post.  That way, there is no confusion.  Just so there isn't any confusion, burning up, is what happens in the front part of the lane because the track is fried and/or the heads have gone away.  A ball dying, is describing the backend part of the lane.  A ball burning up causes the ball to die on the backend.
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Re: Momentum
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2008, 08:40:07 PM »
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What is going to confuse them?  "Dying" is a term that is used rather frequent when describing a ball reaction.  That is also why I said "burning up" towards the end of my post.  That way, there is no confusion.  Just so there isn't any confusion, burning up, is what happens in the front part of the lane because the track is fried and/or the heads have gone away.  A ball dying, is describing the backend part of the lane.  A ball burning up causes the ball to die on the backend.
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You know that, I know that, but the idiots on this board don't understand that.  When they hear that a ball is "dying", they think its a bad ball that isn't capable of being rolled more than 20 games before its worthless.  

I wasn't trying to "bust your balls", I was just trying to explain that the mass of idiots that roam this board would be confused.
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Re: Momentum
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2008, 01:12:51 PM »
Because of the low RG Core, the Momentum has a tendency to burn up if there isn't enough head oil, but the fact that you took the polish off and it got better suggests that maybe you have a broken down condition (head oil gone w/ carrydown) the High Flush would push to the right and get to the dry area on the outside so it would hook more which I think is why it probably works better polished.  By taking the polish off the Momentum, it probably deals with the carrydown much better and since it doesn't push to the right as easily as the DF, that made a huge difference.
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tdub36tjt

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Re: Momentum
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2008, 06:21:49 PM »
I thought the same thing at first. I thought maybe it was carrydown and/or it was burning up. So I re-applied the polish when I bowled league on fresh. Ball barely wrinkled. So back to 4000 without polish and it was alright...I think it just the layout. The Dead Flush the cg is kicked out, but no weight hole. pin down about 5 in pin to PAP. I talked to my pro shop guy about it and he is convinced that it is the layout.
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Re: Momentum
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2008, 10:59:52 PM »
I have this ball and mine is drilled with the #1 drill (label drill) and it it is a beast (recently shot back to back 300 games with it). The finish is OOB and the ball reads the midlane lane and hooks strong and controlled on the backend and there is nothing tame about the reaction I get from this ball. I have noticed that the ball does tend to "stand up" (die, lose energy, whatever term is the accepted Vernacular)when the heads burn up.  Before you plug and re-drill this ball consider this, if it is carry down causing your problem (or even long oil) then the polish is going to cause the ball to go longer because the ball is trying to read the lane but there is no friction so it skids into the friction zone and a little beyond and then there is no measurable move to the pins because this ball is not designed to make a hard turn way down the lane where the DF is. My suggestion would be to adjust the surface down to 2000, this will add some surface to the ball helping it grab the lane better and you should see an earlier and more defined move to the pocket. My pro shop guy told me that the surface of this ball can be adjusted and the ball made to hook more than the Resurgence. In my opinion it is worth trying before you plug the ball.
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Re: Momentum
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2008, 11:25:55 AM »
TRoadster, what's your layout for the Mo?
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Re: Momentum
« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2008, 09:54:38 PM »
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TRoadster, what's your layout for the Mo?


Pin is above the ring finger and 4 1/2in from PAP and 3 1/4 - 3 1/2in above the midline with the CG in palm.  The pin is slightly elevated from the recomended layout to help get more length but this is the label layout and the one that Columbia recommends most bowlers use for this ball.
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Blows

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Re: Momentum
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2008, 10:57:14 PM »
TRoadster-  Is dead on here, I have this ball and it very good with the layout he is using as well I'm using.I have the same layout but about 2 inches lower then the suggested layout of number 1 and once i found a sweet line for this ball I was in the pocket every shot. Last night with the ball,My 12th game with it I had 10 of 12 strikes, left two ringing ten pins,Made one, miss one if it wasn't for them two ten pins i would of had my first 300,Was throwing around 18 out to 6/7 and found the pocket each shot.Really happy with this ball so far.

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Shermster

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Re: Momentum
« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2008, 12:15:47 PM »
Blows, what style of bowler are you?

I want to get some ideas if Drill #1 will suit me. Where do you stand and aim?

Thanks!
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Re: Momentum
« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2008, 07:03:55 PM »
Some call me a stroker and others say that im a tweener.I Like to stand center of the lane and throw around 12 out to 5 or so, but i had to move left with this ball and throw around 17 to 18 and out to 6 or 7-8 board.Also i have to keep my speed up with this ball.

So I line up and toss ball between the 2nd and 3rd arrow and out to the 6-8 board at the BP.With this Momentum ball I more in less throwing or the third arrow on the dryer side of the lanes,When the heads are fresh i feel that i can shoot around 10 to 12 at the arrows and be fine,

Today-25 of march, The backend were clean and I had a hard time even hitting my breakpoint with this ball.It was almost uncontrollable.I didnt bowl bad but nothing great.It didnt work good with clean and fresh backends,

Edited on 3/25/2008 7:08 PM
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