Author Topic: I guess Columbia has now given in to the Internet too? (Read 9710 times)

BallDriller · « **on:** November 13, 2006, 01:31:01 PM »

Are these balls discontinued already? Did I miss something. I can't buy them this cheap.

http://www.bowling.com/search.asp?SearchString=columbia+action&page=1&source=ActionTeaser

frankrizzo · « **Reply #16 on:** November 19, 2006, 09:16:38 PM »

I bet pro shops would get a super price if they would buy 1000 at a time?

jls · « **Reply #17 on:** November 20, 2006, 08:37:31 AM »

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NOT DEAD YET, sold an action packed 15 lbs, and just sold an action attack 15 lbs.

but you do make a very good point>>>>

what i don't understand is why the consumer gets so upset when a pro shop sells a ball and makes a profit?

does the companies you the consumer work for make a profit>>>
kinda thinking YES>>>> or they would not be paying you all those big bucks you make!!!!!!!

if a pro shop buys a ball for $130 and sells it for $200. that's about a 55%
GROSS PROFIT>>>> and the NET PROFIT could be about 8-10%

you see, there is overhead, payroll, taxes, etc etc. and in case you do not know>>> a 10% net is pretty healthy>>>>

and that comes to $13.00 on that $200.00 sale.

i wonder how long you the consumer will have a job if the COMPANY you work for
does not make a profit???

but of course>>>> you probably did not think about that>>>>>>>

so maybe the next time your at work, making those big bucks>>> and your spending half your day online, when you should be working>>>> maybe think about how you are costing your company profits>>>>

hope they don't find out>>>
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Back up jls no one gets upset when you make a profit, starting your b.s. again as usual, but again your not being screwed by the consumer, either your distributor or ball companies are doing the damage. Oh and the home depot and lowes by me rock, awesome places glad to see the mom and pop lumber yards gone with their price gauging.

Edited on 11/19/2006 8:22 AM

BACKUP YOURSELF, AS USUAL, YOU MAKE NO SENSE.
and what is this about home depost?

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triggerman · « **Reply #18 on:** November 20, 2006, 08:59:57 AM »

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I bet pro shops would get a super price if they would buy 1000 at a time?

exactly, and the pricing at proshops have is the buy 4 get 1 free, but they have to be willing to put forth a little money, run a special to get the people to buy some, 5th ball is pure profit, sell 4 below cost, say 10 bucks, charge 50-75 to drill it, do the same for the free ball

simple math
ball is 140
buy 4 at that price equals 560
sell 4 at 130 equals 520
charge 60 to drill
equals 300 (5 x 60)

total cost of 5 balls is 560
total made after drilling 5 balls is 950
shop just made 390 on that case of balls

Shops just need to learn how to work the numbers to make money, everything cant be a pure profit up front, you have to think long term profits

it works you just need to put forth the effort, stand alones need to be within 15-20 to close the deal, and i think they can be there easily
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Edited on 11/20/2006 9:52 AM

jls · « **Reply #19 on:** November 20, 2006, 09:06:42 AM »

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I bet pro shops would get a super price if they would buy 1000 at a time?

exactly, and the pricing at proshops have is the buy 4 get 1 free, but they have to be willing to put forth a little money, run a special to get the people to buy some, 5th ball is pure profit, sell 4 below cost, say 10 bucks, charge 50-75 to drill it, do the same for the free ball

simple math
ball is 140
buy 4 at that price equals 560
sell 4 at 130 equals 520
charge 60 to drill
equals 300 (5 x 60)

total cost of 5 balls is 560
total made after drilling 5 balls is 950
shop just made 390 on that case of balls

Shops just need to learn how to work the numbers to make money, everything cant be a pure profit up front, you have to think long term profits

it works you just need to put forth the effort, stand alones need to be within 15-20 to close the deal, and i think they can be there easily
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Edited on 11/20/2006 9:52 AM

trig>>>> first, now every ball we sell is on a 4-1 deal, very few are>>>
second>>> many times there is a limit on how many 4-1 deals a pro shop can buy>>>
right now there are probably 8-9, 4-1 type deals going>>> and there are probably over a 100 current balls on the market>>>
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triggerman · « **Reply #20 on:** November 20, 2006, 09:11:44 AM »

hummmm, my distributor has most everything at buy 4 get 1

jsut saying I make money everyweek even with the internet killing local shops
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jls · « **Reply #21 on:** November 20, 2006, 09:32:07 AM »

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hummmm, my distributor has most everything at buy 4 get 1

jsut saying I make money everyweek even with the internet killing local shops
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your saying>>scouts, tornado's, jolt's, jinx's, raw hammer's black widow, no mercy's, hawg zilla etc etc etc>>>>

who is your dist>>>>
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frankrizzo · « **Reply #22 on:** November 20, 2006, 12:39:38 PM »

i think what is happening here is the big internet shop retailers have the ability to buy more because of larger cash flow so therefore they get the better deals or price for this mattter. Most shops can't afford to do it that way but the one's that do like the one I buy from is able to sell more volume. I think the biggest risk is for the distributors of the world because they are allowing this to happen. They are just fuelling the fire because they are almost giving it away and making the etailers more powerful. What will happen when one of the big guys (bowlingball.com) goes directly to one of the manufactorurs and says I'll buy 5000 balls and pay you today? Do you think Brunswick, Columbia, Ebonite or Storm will say no? In my opinion this is way out of control and needs to stop. The biggest thing that I can't figure out is why does the distributors allow this to happen, its kind of like turning your back on the people that built there business? Just my opinion..sorry for the rant. I'm out.
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jls · « **Reply #23 on:** November 20, 2006, 12:48:45 PM »

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i think what is happening here is the big internet shop retailers have the ability to buy more because of larger cash flow so therefore they get the better deals or price for this mattter. Most shops can't afford to do it that way but the one's that do like the one I buy from is able to sell more volume. I think the biggest risk is for the distributors of the world because they are allowing this to happen. They are just fuelling the fire because they are almost giving it away and making the etailers more powerful. What will happen when one of the big guys (bowlingball.com) goes directly to one of the manufactorurs and says I'll buy 5000 balls and pay you today? Do you think Brunswick, Columbia, Ebonite or Storm will say no? In my opinion this is way out of control and needs to stop. The biggest thing that I can't figure out is why does the distributors allow this to happen, its kind of like turning your back on the people that built there business? Just my opinion..sorry for the rant. I'm out.
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WHAT PLANET ARE YOU FROM SIR<<<<< CAUSE WHEREEVER YOUR FROM>>> THEY HAVE GOOD COMMONSENSE>>>>> and you are 100% right>>>>> those dist. who make the online dealers too big>>>> may end up losing in the end>>>>

yours was not a rant>>>> just good commonsense>>>>
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CoachJim · « **Reply #24 on:** November 21, 2006, 04:11:46 AM »

I believe I have already explained this. Let's try it again.

1. Distributer recieves a thousand balls, some of these have pins and top weights he knows that his customers do not want, so he unloads these close to xout balls, to the internet shops at rediculous prices. They sell balls sight unseen do unknowing customers who don't know any better.

Get it?

bgh · « **Reply #25 on:** November 21, 2006, 06:05:14 AM »

Could it be that these particular balls were not received as well as Columbia had planned on and are trying valiantly to cut their loses on this "series" of the high performance line? I'm in the Northwest which is generally a Columbia stronghold. I've seen very few of these Action balls being used. The bully's, the Actions, what's next?

They have now introduced and completed a quad of these balls, wonder if this a harbinger of a "NEW" series of balls to be released? Successes: Track with the Machines, AMF with the Radars. Mother ship might just readily turnover these balls at a large discount with something lurking over the horizon in the Columbia high performance line. They are, remember, sponsoring the PBA and need high end ball recognition.

One other thought: Obviously this is an Action Promotion that is being promoted by someone, several Internet retailers have similar deals. Could it be that certain Distributors have also offered a really good deal to the larger Internet resellers, such as, 60-180 days no pay dating, commision for a sale, or even the resellers inventory funded and owned by the distributor? Temporary Vendor Managed Inventory (VMI)? Or even good old fashioned "consignment of inventory".

I wonder if some of these Internet retail companies are themselves quasi distributors with genuine inventory warehouses and direct pallet shipments from Columbia.... thus the big discounts - the long deal. As most purchasing agents realize, anyone can offer and promise the long deal. Nothing is sacred, distribution lines are crossed, all the time. Who the heck knows who really owns what business, partnerships, etc. Deals are made.

Edited on 11/21/2006 9:40 AM

Hoselrockets · « **Reply #26 on:** November 21, 2006, 07:35:45 AM »

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I believe I have already explained this. Let's try it again.

1. Distributer recieves a thousand balls, some of these have pins and top weights he knows that his customers do not want, so he unloads these close to xout balls, to the internet shops at rediculous prices. They sell balls sight unseen do unknowing customers who don't know any better.

Get it?

Even though it seems this is possible this is not even close to what is happening.
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Columbia 300, Inc.
www.Columbia300.com
www.Trackbowling.com
1-800-531-5920

newguy · « **Reply #27 on:** November 21, 2006, 07:53:30 AM »

Believe what you want and fabricate as you wish but here is the chain we have in place.
we launch a program. our largest buy in is 400 units our smallest is 248. The prices for 400 is different than 248.
We only sell to authorized distributors not internet sites.
Our distributors do just that distribute they choose who to sell to. They control the prices to the pro shops and the internet sites not us.
We try to keep it clean. Distributors buy from us, pro shops buy from our distributors as do internet sites. The beef needs to be taken up with the distributors not the manufacturers. We hold our prices, they do not. Plain and simple.
The norm here seem to post with out the facts and by the end of the thread all are begining to believe the errant reponses.

Fluff E Bunnie · « **Reply #28 on:** November 21, 2006, 08:03:37 AM »

You do the math.

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jls · « **Reply #29 on:** November 21, 2006, 09:33:53 AM »

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Back up jls no one gets upset when you make a profit, starting your b.s. again as usual, but again your not being screwed by the consumer, either your distributor or ball companies are doing the damage. Oh and the home depot and lowes by me rock, awesome places glad to see the mom and pop lumber yards gone with their price gauging.

HIJACK

Glad you think you don't get priced gauge by them. You are perfect customer for them. Yes, they have good sell items. Then you need the acessories to go along with those items. That is where they get you.

Lowes opened up 2 years ago here. A box of nails cost me around $9 and I buy them by the case. Same price I was paying for them but closer to the house. Thought I buy them there. Next time $1 more a box and the next time same thing, another $1. Now I get them out of Ala. shipped to my house for the same price as the first time I bought for them. Same brand.

Their prices on trim, specialty lumber, or fastners are a joke.

Mom and Pop lumber yards deal with more builders and not the homeowners. I still get better deals from them any day. I can call them up, place an order and I don't hear " Huh, I don't know what you talking about"

Please stick to putting out fires and taking care of medical emergencies and not answering questions you have no clue about.

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nice post, but even tho i was the one who fireguy was firing at, i do see his point. and i read your post, and you make many excellent points also.
the best being good customer service that you feel you get from the small guys.

however, in todays world, people don't always want good service over price.
sure they want both, but many will take a good deal over service.

all one has to do is walk into any sam's club and see the long lines at the checkout. not a lot of service there, bag your own, load the car, and my favorite, wait in those long lines to pay and they wait agian at the door to be checked out after you have paid!!!!!

but people do. i see both sides here. don't know the answer, but see both sides.

have a nice day, and a happy thanksgiving to all.
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Edited on 11/21/2006 10:26 AM

jls · « **Reply #30 on:** November 21, 2006, 09:56:55 AM »

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Believe what you want and fabricate as you wish but here is the chain we have in place.
we launch a program. our largest buy in is 400 units our smallest is 248. The prices for 400 is different than 248.
We only sell to authorized distributors not internet sites.
Our distributors do just that distribute they choose who to sell to. They control the prices to the pro shops and the internet sites not us.
We try to keep it clean. Distributors buy from us, pro shops buy from our distributors as do internet sites. The beef needs to be taken up with the distributors not the manufacturers. We hold our prices, they do not. Plain and simple.
The norm here seem to post with out the facts and by the end of the thread all are begining to believe the errant reponses.

yes and know

lets talk golf for a minute sir,
ping sells to pro shops, they set a strict pricing policy for all!!!!
as do taylor, callaway etc.

many people in the business feel that dist. should only sell to pro shops that actually drill. when you say you sell to only dist. that may be true. but they should be and can be regulated as to who they sell to. at the wholesale price!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if a ping dealer sells for less, they will lose their right to buy ping clubs.
as was the case most recently at a united states military base. the pro shop was selling pings at a special discount, and lost their right to sell ping clubs. was this right or wrong/ not the point.

the point is titleist says what you will sell the pro vi ball for. taylor says what you will sell the R7 460 cc driver for, etc etc etc.

dist. act as your sales agents. and need to be controlled on who the sell product to. in the old days columbia, like most companies had a pro shop only policy>>>>>>>you could not walk into a local sporting goods store and find the yellow dot. it was only sold thru pro shops. and columbia like all the other
ball companies, controlled that.
now you simply choose not to, and say, "we sell only to dist." but do they sell only to pro shops??? no.

not all dist. sell to the net. you know who does and who doesnt.
one day mr. columbia, you might wake up and find that their are no more real pro shops to drill your columbia balls. and you know what that means.

bowlers may have a tough time getting a ball drilled. which may cause sales to decline at columbia. and then you know what>>>>"your gone"

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BallDriller

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