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JeffVoght

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Resurgence, Rival, Jazz
« on: August 14, 2007, 03:09:48 PM »
I drilled up one of each of these on Monday and tested them on a short and long version of our house pattern.  They were also used on our normal length house pattern, which had been applied three times since the last stripping and had a good deal of carrydown (hey, it's summertime!)  The short pattern was 34', the long was 42', and the house pattern was 40'.  The long pattern was applied at twice the volume of our normal house pattern.  I can't tell you what the volume ends up being because we use a machine with different density wicks, but the normal house gets nearly every ball through the heads and early mids with ease.  All three balls were tested in box condition.

Ok, for the good stuff-

Resurgence:  Pin 5.5" from my PAP (over ring), CG basically stacked under in the positive thumb quadrant.  Small balance hole (31/32" bit, 2" deep) on my VAL 2" below my PAP.
This ball was best on the long pattern, especially as carry-down started to occur.  It reads the midlane so strongly, it really appears to hook before it's out of the buff area of the pattern.  With that being said, it doesn't appear to roll out on the backend, and it still has good angularity.  It is not close to a skid-flip reaction, but it is a moderately strong breakpoint that allows for continuation through the pins.  There were shots where I thought the ball would burn up and plaque a 10, but it snapped most of them out with ease.
The Resurgence was also very good on the medium pattern with LOTS of carrydown.  It was strong enough to fight through the carrydown and deliver a predictable roll with impressive power at the pins.  It probably hit as hard on this pattern despite having less entry angle because it was conserving more energy at the (longer) breakpoint.  It was one continuous arc from the arrows to the pins.
There was no logical reason to throw this ball more than once on the short pattern.  Way too much ball!  Keep it on long and heavy stuff and you'll love it.

Rival-  Pin 4.75" from my PAP (under ring), CG swung slightly right into my positive thumb quadrant, but no need for a balance hole.  With statics of 3/4oz side and 3/4oz thumb, a balance hole might be added in the future.
This ball cleared the heads easily on the medium and long patterns.  The breakpoint was stronger than the Resurgence on the long pattern, giving it nearly the same amount of total hook since it was hooking less in the first 45' and more in the last 15'.  It is definitely more responsive off of friction than the Resurgence, due to the fact that it doesn't exhibit the early roll and raw power of the Resurgence in the buff area of the patterns.
I thought it was better on the medium pattern than the longer.  With its more angular breakpoint, it was able to get around the carrydown.  The carry power was very impressive on both patterns.  I'm thinking of taking it from 4000 down to 2000 to tame the breakpoint slightly.  At first impression, it reminded me of one of my favorite balls of all time, the V2 Pearl, but with more overall hook.
As with the Resurgence, there was no pressing need to throw the Rival on the 34' pattern.  

Jazz:  Pin 4.5" from my PAP (under ring), CG swung slightly to the right, placing it on my horizontal midline.  No need for a balance hole, but it will probably get one for use on Cheetah!  Statics were 7/8oz side...so there's plenty of room for a hole.
I hope serious bowlers don't overlook this ball.  It wasn't an option on the longer pattern, and it was only decent on the medium/carrydown pattern from the track area....but, it was nothing short of amazing on the 34' pattern.  My estimated specs (which I'll put in my profile) are 15-16MPH, moderate revs and tilt.  The Jazz cleared the heads easily, seemed to go an extra 3-4' after leaving the pattern, and then displayed a strong, nearly skid-flip breakpoint motion that led to incredible entry angle (for me; I'd think Tommy Jones would call it "weak").  

Let me repeat:  On 34', the Jazz was a monster.  If you're looking for something to combat extremely short, or lower-volume, or beat-up wood, this could be THE ball for you.  On tons of volume and length, the Resurgence is an extremely good matchup.  On med-heavy lengths and volumes, the Rival is excellent.  I'm hoping that the Wrath High Flush will fit the bill for a med-light powerhouse.  So far, Columbia 300 has the start of a very good arsenal.


Future plans:  I have another Resurgence and Rival on the way.  Resurgence will be pin-under, Rival pin-over.  I'm going to try the Jazz at 2000 abralon on something close to Cheetah.

If there's anything I can help you guys with, feel free to post away or message me.  I'll try to get back to you guys as soon as I can, but for the forseeable future, due to the responsibilites of owning a bowling center and restaurant, I will be on at night only (10-11PM Eastern most nights), and there will be nights where I won't be on at all.
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Re: Resurgence, Rival, Jazz
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2007, 11:21:05 PM »
Very nice review Jeff. Have you thrown other brands besides C300. I'm interested to know how the Jazz stacks up to Ebonites Bash and Hammers Cherry Vibe. What color Jazz was it. Does the color make a difference or is it just cosmetic.

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Re: Resurgence, Rival, Jazz
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2007, 11:37:52 PM »
bluerrpilot-

Over the past year, I've thrown mostly Ebonite, with the Total NV and The One being my favorite balls.  The only C300 ball that I have from the San Antonio C300 is an Action Attack, which is very good when I'm looking to play an extremely straight trajectory.  I'll probably keep it around for a while due to familiarity.  I had a Rock-On several years ago, and I think that's probably around my house somewhere.  

I think the Jazz probably has about the same length as the Bash with a stronger breakpoint.  It is probably fairly similar in reaction to the Cherry Vibe, though I think the Vibe might handle a touch more oil.  

I have a Purple/Pink Jazz, and I'm under the impression that it was standard to send that color to all staffers.  If I were to enter my opinion into the "does color matter?" thread that was circulating through the Brunswick forums a while back, I would venture that it matters, but nowhere near as much as many other variables.
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Re: Resurgence, Rival, Jazz
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2007, 12:15:47 AM »
So there was no bad things about these balls at all ?
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Re: Resurgence, Rival, Jazz
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2007, 12:30:00 AM »
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So there was no bad things about these balls at all ?
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It depends on what you consider "bad" to be.  As I originally wrote, the Resurgence and the Rival were ineffective on the 34' pattern, and the Jazz was ineffective on the longer patterns.  I think you could drill a Rival to work on all three of my test patterns, but I don't think a Resurgence would ever be weak enough, nor a Jazz strong enough.  That doesn't bother me any, but if you were hoping to make a 3-4 ball Resurgence-only arsenal, I guess you'd be upset with the gap at the bottom.

Personally, I was very satisfied with what I saw.  I expect all three balls will get play on the PBA patterns, and I think they'll be very good on the house walls in my area.  It seems like 1/3 of what I normally drill ends up being truly reliable and successful, and I feel like I have three solid parts of my arsenal with only three drillings, so I'm liking what I see from C300.
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Re: Resurgence, Rival, Jazz
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2007, 06:00:12 AM »
Good Reviews Jeff...mine should be here today or tomorrow, with video reviews to come soon after...be interesting to see what i get as far as reactions compared to you

Im really excited to throw the new era of columbia...especially since i saw Chris Barnes throwing it a week or so ago, he really made the stuff look good, and showed the seperation between all 4 new balls...
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Re: Resurgence, Rival, Jazz
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2007, 08:52:33 PM »
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Good Reviews Jeff...mine should be here today or tomorrow, with video reviews to come soon after...be interesting to see what i get as far as reactions compared to you

Im really excited to throw the new era of columbia...especially since i saw Chris Barnes throwing it a week or so ago, he really made the stuff look good, and showed the seperation between all 4 new balls...
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I'll watch your videos when you get them up and let you know how they look in comparison to what I saw.  I tried to explain what I saw as best as I could, but if I can look at a video and say, "Yeah, that's what I saw too", that's obviously a lot easier to express...
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Re: Resurgence, Rival, Jazz
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2007, 09:40:42 AM »
Very nice reviews Jeff;
How did you bowl at the Regioanl at King Pin Lanes?

Talking to my " DSM" there seems to be a waiting line for delivery, I guess all the distributors have ordered extras, so I need to wait a few days more to recieve my new equipment.

Looking at the specs for the new balls, you could see that the Resurgence wouldn't be a good fit for the shorter patterns, but I was wondering, on you tests have you altered the covers on the balls; ie, shine them up? or dull up the " Jazz"

Thanks again for the post very well put

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Re: Resurgence, Rival, Jazz
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2007, 09:52:20 PM »
Justdale-

I finished 18th...threw a couple of good games at the end of the block to secure a check.  The pattern was a challenge, and the carry wasn't great, but the place looked great.  King Pin is one of the finest centers in upstate New York!  Craig takes good care of the place.

I'm not surprised you're having to wait a little for your equipment.  I'm waiting on a 16 myself.  They can't seem to make their stuff for all brands fast enough!

I'm planning on taking the Rival to 2000 and then highly polishing in the hope that it'll match up good for the 37' pattern in the East this weekend.  I'm also going to take my Jazz to 2000, without polish, but I don't think that'll see much play this weekend.  On Cheetah, that's another story.
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Re: Resurgence, Rival, Jazz
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2007, 10:12:31 PM »
Just talked to my " DSM" Paul Enright, he told me that the Jazz hooks, have you seen that yet?
I drilled a Resurgance ( will replace it to our wall when mine come in) pin under ring, "cg" kicked out at 45 degree ball is a freaking monster from what I have been able to see, we start our winter league tomorrow night, will know more tomorrow, and will post a review on Friday. from what I have seen throwing about a game with street shoes on, this ball truns up easy and keeps going throught the pocket, no deflection.

Good luck this weekend and let us know you do

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Re: Resurgence, Rival, Jazz
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2007, 04:25:23 AM »
JeffVoght,
I might be getting the Resurgence maybe tomorrow. I have using a Fury right now, do you have any idea how these two balls are compared ? The Fury is drilled cg leverage which is a good layout for me, can I use the same layout for the Resurgence ? Any other information is welcome too as this is the first time I am trying out Columbia300 balls....thanks !

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Re: Resurgence, Rival, Jazz
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2007, 09:15:36 PM »
quote:
Just talked to my " DSM" Paul Enright, he told me that the Jazz hooks, have you seen that yet?
I drilled a Resurgance ( will replace it to our wall when mine come in) pin under ring, "cg" kicked out at 45 degree ball is a freaking monster from what I have been able to see, we start our winter league tomorrow night, will know more tomorrow, and will post a review on Friday. from what I have seen throwing about a game with street shoes on, this ball truns up easy and keeps going throught the pocket, no deflection.

Good luck this weekend and let us know you do



I've seen the Jazz hook when there is lots of friction present; it makes a really sharp left turn about 4-5' into the friction.  I haven't thrown it a ton yet, but it looks like a good choice when there is plenty of burn to throw at.  I just took it to 2000 and I'm preparing to test it out with my 2000, highly polished Rival.

My Resurgence has a 15* CG swing...not a big swing.  Just enough to need a small hole, and a big one if I want it.  It really is a monster on oil!  The carry has been incredible for the first 15 games for the amount of hook the ball provides.  In the past, whenever I threw a big, early-arcing ball, it was DOA.  I could almost plaque a 5-10 with them.



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JeffVoght,
I might be getting the Resurgence maybe tomorrow. I have using a Fury right now, do you have any idea how these two balls are compared ? The Fury is drilled cg leverage which is a good layout for me, can I use the same layout for the Resurgence ? Any other information is welcome too as this is the first time I am trying out Columbia300 balls....thanks !

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If it's a good layout for you, then I'd stick with it.  I can't say for sure what the similarities and differences will be between the Fury and Resurgence.  Both were billed as hook monsters that allow for great continuation after the breakpoint.  I can't imagine anything being better on heavy oil than the Resurgence, so since you're going to have both, you'll have to let us know what you see.  Worst case scenario, you can smooth/polish the cover on the one that doesn't perform as well on heavy oil to create some separation.

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Re: Resurgence, Rival, Jazz
« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2007, 06:03:59 AM »
As mentioned I was suppose to go down to this Pro shop to drill the Resurgence but when I was there, he told me he was sorry but he sold the ball (the only 15 left) to a man whose son is going for tournament over the weekend. And he actually told me he was offered more money by the father because the son's coach has told the father that this is a good ball for the coming tournament. What can I say ??!!
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