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bgh

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SuperFlex Coverstock Solution for Dry Lanes?
« on: March 11, 2006, 06:01:26 AM »
I currently have the Scout Reactive that is drilled 5.5 X 5.5 love it for super dry lanes (I planned it that way).  But being the way that it is drilled and my high roll track (see profile), it does not move enough on a medium light condition to carry the pins.  Looking for a ball with the Superflex coverstock (can be Columbia, AMF, or Track) that would handle a fairly dry THS. Looking for a tame reaction ball! but one that has a bit more umph.  Would fit in between the SR (5.5X5.5) and a Blue Urethane Hammer (label with pin in 1").
Now, of course I could buy another Scout Reactive drill more conventionally which is an option.  But I can't help but toy with the idea of maybe a solid or particle with the SF cover drilled to go long (that is as in arcing, not angular), also can have a stronger weight block than the weaker puck configuration that the SR has, that would carry a wee bit better than the Scout Reactive. The condition in question does not include much oil.  So it would have to fit into that slot. I found the Superflex coverstock prep easy to work with, so that's the trip, but not opposed to similar covers by any of the manufacturers.

BTW, nothing wrong with the Scout Reactive damn great ball when used on a dryish condition.  Love it and the way it is drilled.  Just looking for the next step that I could rotate back into if carry becomes a problem.

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Re: SuperFlex Coverstock Solution for Dry Lanes?
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2006, 04:34:29 PM »
personal choices with the super flex covers would be.  In order are

Super Trooper
U-turn pearl
Hyde
Jeykl or Dr. Jeykl
Messenger Ti low rg
Messenger Ti pearl
all I think could fit the option


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Re: SuperFlex Coverstock Solution for Dry Lanes?
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2006, 06:23:31 PM »
From weakest to strongest, I'd suggest

Panic (pearl)
Super Trooper (solid, polished)
Dr. Jekyl (pearl)
Track Solution PowerPlus Ex (pearl, great ball)
U-Turn (pearl)
AMF Titan SE (Solid, polished)

There are other discontinued models, like the Messenger Ti pearl and the AMF Titan (pearl). Be careful to avoid the Enhanced Super-Flex, as they are stronger and earlier; although they are also great balls,  I think they are not what you're looking for.

PS I think the Panic is discontinued, but I saw so much potential in it I just got one off Ebay and stuck it in the basement. Don't need it right now.
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Re: SuperFlex Coverstock Solution for Dry Lanes?
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2006, 10:42:09 AM »
thanks BOA_ELF, charlest

That Super Trooper looks like it could fit into the slot that I was thinking.  I'd be curious as to the actual hooking characteristics of the Super Trooper as to compared to the Scout Reactive.

I like the fact that the ST is a polished solid.  Rock On core body with no flip blocks, lower rg less flare fits the bill. Being a Blue Hammer Urethane sort of guy, this earlier roll and mild arc appeals to me as compared to the pearl flip balls.

As far as drilling I was thinking to drilling it maybe 3-4 inch pin out (high roller, see profile), 4.75 X 2.5 (CG kicked out towards pap for less reaction), but of course, welcome any and all suggestions. The Super Trooper looks like it still kicks a wallop... but in a more controlled manor?
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Edited on 3/12/2006 11:09 AM

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Re: SuperFlex Coverstock Solution for Dry Lanes?
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2006, 11:39:22 AM »
4"x3", 4"x2.5" sounds good to me.
4.75" pin position???
The RG diff is for all intents Nil already, length is from polished surface.You still want some reaction. I am inclined, in such balls, not to try to kill it altogether. Remember this ball is not that far from the Scout Reactive already; lower RG, but much less flare and solid vs pearl is THE differences.
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Re: SuperFlex Coverstock Solution for Dry Lanes?
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2006, 11:47:55 AM »
KeglerX--Since, you use RG...I was wondering why you don't try a Mercury for this condition?  Pearlized vs. solid Superflex?  Just wondering.
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Re: SuperFlex Coverstock Solution for Dry Lanes?
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2006, 12:08:34 PM »
KeglerX--I understand completely.  Merc does look like a gumball.  

Some of my best all time scores have been shot with less than manly colored balls.  Violet Gargoyle & Pink Hammer.  So, this bodes well for the Merc.    
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Re: SuperFlex Coverstock Solution for Dry Lanes?
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2006, 12:09:30 PM »
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KeglerX--I understand completely.  Merc does look like a gumball.  

Some of my best all time scores have been shot with less than manly colored balls.  Violet Gargoyle & Pink Hammer.  So, this bodes well for the Merc.    
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It probably bodes well for the Mercury, too!
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Re: SuperFlex Coverstock Solution for Dry Lanes?
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2006, 12:10:03 PM »
Damn, you edited it before I had a chance to openly mock you!
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Re: SuperFlex Coverstock Solution for Dry Lanes?
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2006, 12:10:30 PM »
quote:
4"x3", 4"x2.5" sounds good to me.
4.75" pin position???
The RG diff is for all intents Nil already, length is from polished surface.You still want some reaction. I am inclined, in such balls, not to try to kill it altogether. Remember this ball is not that far from the Scout Reactive already; lower RG, but much less flare and solid vs pearl is THE differences.


Yes, I was doubting my own choice going with that much pin to Pap, 4.75. or CG too close to PAP. I didn't want to tone down too much (CG kicked out towards pap) or make it move too much on the backend (Pin to Pap, staying away, as far as possible to any remote resemblance of flip). The ball's inherent nature, sounds like it has a nice roll and tapered arc built into the surface and core dynamics.  So it's a good chance a more traditional 4X3 might let the ball do it more natural reaction.  Looks like a great medium high rev tweener ball for medium or lighter conditions.
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Re: SuperFlex Coverstock Solution for Dry Lanes?
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2006, 12:23:38 PM »
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Damn, you edited it before I had a chance to openly mock you!


Go ahead John np!  

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Re: SuperFlex Coverstock Solution for Dry Lanes?
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2006, 01:04:09 PM »
My Super trooper is drilled in a 3 3/8x3 3/8 drill left handed.  I  have enjoyed this ball for the drier conditions.  I know that is a leverage drill.  With factory condition this gives the Super trooper a great read through the heads with a strong arcing motion to the pocket.  I also have a balance hole on my pap in order to bring back to legal.


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Re: SuperFlex Coverstock Solution for Dry Lanes?
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2006, 04:39:31 PM »
Scott,

I've been watching friend, Mark Curran (he posts in the RG forum), throw his Mercury in a practice session. He has average ball speed and tweener revs (300 rpm or so). His Mercury has pin above the bridge and it is NOT for dry lanes, maybe medium-light at lightest. Maybe people with more ball speed can use it on lighter oil. RG doesn't really make light oil balls; their coverstocks, on Mercury and Saturn are far too strong. They're just great, all-too-hidden bargains.

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Re: SuperFlex Coverstock Solution for Dry Lanes?
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2006, 06:19:17 PM »
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Scott,

I've been watching friend, Mark Curran (he posts in the RG forum), throw his Mercury in a practice session. He has average ball speed and tweener revs (300 rpm or so). His Mercury has pin above the bridge and it is NOT for dry lanes, maybe medium-light at lightest. Maybe people with more ball speed can use it on lighter oil. RG doesn't really make light oil balls; their coverstocks, on Mercury and Saturn are far too strong. They're just great, all-too-hidden bargains.



Charlest,  

This is interesting news, I was under the impression that the Mercury would be for (meant: very light oil)dry lanes.  But again, being an owner of the solid cover version Saturn, this wouldn't surprise me.  The RG Saturn is definitely much stronger than advertised or assumed.  Then the Mercury, Pearl, big round weight block, by definition, would have pretty good slide through the heads and a tremendous backend.  Thanks for pointing this out! I had fallen asleep by all the assumed "dry lane ball" posts.  After all, some peoples definition of dry also might be suspect? Also, taking into account the ball speed factor.  This is something to think about.  I will attest that the Saturn is a very strong ball for the money. The screen seems a lot clearer, for now. But there are a passionate group of followers of these planets (which includes me(saturn)), no doubt, as I have well learned. ouch! They are pretty derned good balls for the money. The question remains how much variance in direct comparison?  In angle, boards, slide and hook in length (feet), etc, between the Solid and Pearl versions. I'd like to see them side by side. The question, what would be the difference in adding pearl to the coverstock? Wouldn't seem like the pearl ingredient could alter it's nature that much? But perception is a funny little thing.
BTW: Mark Curren now has both the Saturn (which he has reviewed) and the Mercury  (which he recently aquired), should be interesting when he or if he reviews the the Mercury (and hopefully, mentions a comparison between the Saturn).
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Storm ***** (Prince)(Coors)[make Roto Grip, Dyno-Thane, Circle Athletics?(in transition  purchased by Columbia Industries)]
Columbia **** (nobleman)(Miller)[make Track, AMF]
Ebonite *** (jester)(Strohs)[make Hammer]
Visionary (no current rating)(wizard)(microbrew?)
Lanemaster (no current rating)(knight)(more microbrew?)
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Edited on 3/12/2006 9:09 PM

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Re: SuperFlex Coverstock Solution for Dry Lanes?
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2006, 07:04:11 PM »
charlest and KeglerX--I'd agree the Merc is no dry-dry lane ball.  

What I look for in a drier piece is a ball that I can move into the lane~deeper and still mantain some energy and hit at the 1-3.  Most "real" dry lane pieces don't have enough pop to carry well from what I have seen....Track Dry Heat and Track Desert Heat.....both did not do well deeper than 3rd arrow.  Lots of pinging 10's.  5.5x4.5 layouts.   The Desert Heat being more the dry piece than the Dry Heat.

I am not the kinda of bowler that will try to force the ball in the track with a dry piece which is what most I see on this forum try to do.  

FWIW I asked RotoDave how many boards different Merc vs. Saturn basic OOB finish.  He said about 11 boards total hook.  That's about what I would have figured.

I do think the Saturn-Merc will be a great 1-2 punch for THS's.
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