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scotts33

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Big Shot Cover-TCS
« on: February 03, 2007, 01:14:50 AM »
OK........I gotta question and this is why I am ticked that JJ Bowl left the C300 forum........I believe he could give a good answer but maybe JLB can.

What's the difference in the oil absorption covers of Ebonite and the Big Shot TCS cover?  Do TCS covers like the Big Shot use the same type of technology of oil absorption?   Does anybody really know????


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Re: Big Shot Cover-TCS
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2007, 01:39:06 PM »
Actually All of our covers have an absorbtion rate very, very close to the big E. We just decide not to talk about it.  Know I've never been in the lab when these test are going on but that's what the R&D team tell us.

You are really "ticked" that I decided to take a break??
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Re: Big Shot Cover-TCS
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2007, 01:40:39 PM »
Great.

Another wone of these "know-it-all" factory reps that condescend at a moment's notice with all of the spin doctor answers they can use.
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Re: Big Shot Cover-TCS
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2007, 01:41:00 PM »
wb, JJ.


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Re: Big Shot Cover-TCS
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2007, 03:02:31 PM »
Thanks, I guess I just went on "Tilt" for a little.
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Re: Big Shot Cover-TCS
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2007, 04:05:15 PM »
The oil absorption rates are basically measured when a bowling ball is put in a bucket of oil for a couple hours and the total weight in grams is measured based on the ball's weight before and the weight after.

This rate is then used by Ebonite to advertise their balls. A ball's ability to absorb oil is important (to some) because if a ball aborbs oil (versus the oil just sitting on the cover) friction is created much sooner and more dramatically (when the ball is in the mid-lane and exiting the pattern) than if the oil stays on the cover and prevents the ball from grabbing the lane.

Every resin ball aborbs oil to some extent. I don't know Columbia's absorption rates. I'm sure the R&D department could do a study and find out if they felt it was important. Right now Ebonite is obviously selling a boat load of balls that use the rate as a means of advertising.

When a consumer sees a number like 11.5 on the One and then 12.7 on the Big One, it obviously means the ball with the higher number hooks more.  At least that's the way they are marketed.
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Re: Big Shot Cover-TCS
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2007, 06:22:23 AM »
More like disappointed Joe.  Glad you'll answer questions.  

I'd agree with JDT and it's why I asked a question about oil absorption rate.  IMO, I don't like the fact that ball life seems diminished by the amount of oil a ball will absorb.

Thanks for the answers Joe and Jon.
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Re: Big Shot Cover-TCS
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2007, 06:41:35 AM »
But if that is the case then how do you explain the longevity and perfomance of the "soaker" coverstock used on DT high end balls? I will tell you there is not a better coverstock that I have used, Accutread, Superflex, PK18, Activator of all types non are better than DT soaker cover. Maybe Columbia is heading the right way sure sounds like it to me.
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Re: Big Shot Cover-TCS
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2007, 10:05:15 AM »
All covers will absorb oil, it just matters on how much and how fast. Some people just choose to talk about it and some don't.
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Re: Big Shot Cover-TCS
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2007, 10:06:25 AM »
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But if that is the case then how do you explain the longevity and perfomance of the "soaker" coverstock used on DT high end balls? I will tell you there is not a better coverstock that I have used, Accutread, Superflex, PK18, Activator of all types non are better than DT soaker cover. Maybe Columbia is heading the right way sure sounds like it to me.


The way I understand it DT "soaker" covers absorb and dissipate oil.  Not sure about Ebonite covers but I can say even with diligent cover/cleaning maintenance that my The One with over 100 games is not the same as even when it had 50 games on it.  I have over 400 games on a DT Thing that is as good as new.

Just don't want to be purchasing balls that last less than a 100 games....not at the high cost of equipment these days.
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