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Equipment Boards => Columbia 300 => Topic started by: Maelstrom on February 25, 2004, 08:58:38 AM

Title: Whats wrong with columbia?
Post by: Maelstrom on February 25, 2004, 08:58:38 AM
I see all you guys saying that columbias balls are not good or something anymore, but where are you getting that from? I am not perticularly fond of columbia coming out with so many balls, but what is so bad about them? I've seen some of there new stuff thrown, like the Throttle Up and the formula, and I thought they were both good looking balls. IM CONFUSED
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with columbia?
Post by: channel surfer on February 26, 2004, 01:25:21 PM
The cracking is usually caused by incorrect drilling.

I love columbia.. and will continue to do so.
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with columbia?
Post by: BowlersAidProShop-Wells on February 27, 2004, 01:53:31 AM
If by incorrect drilling you mean dull drill bits, i'd agree.  Generally heat caused from friction with dull drill bits are the cause of the brittleness around the fingers/weight hole.  Columbia covers may be a little more susceptible to that, but still, on average they're no worse than any other company when using sharp bits and standard drilling procedures.

Edited on 2/27/2004 2:49 AM
Title: Re: Whats wrong with columbia?
Post by: channel surfer on February 27, 2004, 05:37:37 AM
quote:
If by incorrect drilling you mean dull drill bits, i'd agree.  Generally heat caused from friction with dull drill bits are the cause of the brittleness around the fingers/weight hole.  Columbia covers may be a little more susceptible to that, but still, on average they're no worse than any other company when using sharp bits and standard drilling procedures.

Edited on 2/27/2004 2:49 AM


Indeed, thats what I was referring too.
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with columbia?
Post by: TheBowlingKid25 on February 27, 2004, 06:35:02 AM
I just dont understand why they feel the need to put out, litterally, like 3 balls a month! I have never thrown a columbia (besides my urethane scout) so I really cant say I like or dislike them, I just find it a little tasteless to be more into quantity then quality.
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with columbia?
Post by: BadShot on February 28, 2004, 11:23:05 AM
as has been discussed here many times, a weak hit is not caused by the ball, but by the incorrect match up between the ball and the lanes.  entry angle and what the ball is doing at the pins (roll out, skidding, or hook and roll) are the main factors that determine the ball's "hit".  it's a matter of physics, not opinion.  make the variables the same, and a ball will hit the same.

IMHO, columbia makes outstanding equipment and provides excellent service.  i can't wait to try their first true assymetric core . . . the alter ego.

next to hammer, i think columbia provides the best choices for building a full arsenal with one company's equipment.

the number of balls released is a function of marketing, not quality.  i'm actually pretty excited to see what's next for columbia after the alter ego.

unlike other companies with suspect coverstocks (you know who they are), i think columbia balls hold up very well over the long haul if properly maintained.

columbia rules!!
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with columbia?
Post by: TheBowlingKid25 on February 28, 2004, 11:26:56 AM
I do know a few people who throw columbia, and it works for them, I just dont like there stuff....(besides my scout)
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with columbia?
Post by: BowlersAidProShop-Wells on February 29, 2004, 07:22:44 PM
Maybe you just dont match up with some of their newer balls like you did on older lane conditions with their older balls?  I wasnt around for those balls, but every columbia ball I've thrown hits like a truck, so long as your matched up right.  The cores are very solid, and the covers durable.  The only weakness I saw with them was the lack of a lower rg strong resin ball and an asymmetrical ball......with the Full Throttle and Alter Ego, it sounds like Columbia has the total package and has listened to the voices of their fans, nuff said.

Edited on 2/29/2004 8:18 PM
Title: Re: Whats wrong with columbia?
Post by: HamPster on February 29, 2004, 08:18:44 PM
If you want to know a ball that REALLY sucks to drill, it's the Hammer Everclear.  We've drilled 3, and EVERY SINGLE ONE of them has cracked or chipped.  One was after we just had the bits sharpened, and the second one I drilled I made sure I went slower.  Still chipped.
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with columbia?
Post by: Brickguy221 on March 01, 2004, 10:04:26 AM
I've never been able to match up with a Columbia ball and I've tried plenty of them. It must be the same way for the better bowlers as well as the winners on the Pro Tour as you see them throwing Storm, Ebonite, Brunswick, Roto-Grip, Dynothane, etc., but no Columbias. That should tell people something about the performance and quality of Columbia balls.

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Title: Re: Whats wrong with columbia?
Post by: Mr Bass on March 01, 2004, 07:37:25 PM
I only had a Cuda 2000 crack between the fingers, nothing else. I think my Arc is dead but I'll leave it under a heat lamp in a last ditch effort to restore it's hooking ability(?)
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with columbia?
Post by: janderson on March 01, 2004, 07:57:11 PM
Enigma - saying "Columbia balls are not good" is an opinion just like saying "Columbia balls are awesome" is an opinion.  I wonder how many people offering the former opinion use a white dot or blue dot or as their spare ball or used a white dot as their first ball when they started bowling...

Those of us who have truly sampled a company's equipment (and I don't mean 1 or 2 balls) may shy away from the equipment because we don't find something that we like.  Even those that have tried 3+ balls may not have used the equipment on the ideal condition (or may never even see the ideal condition) or have the layout botched.  Some people purchase a ball expecting one thing (big hook monster) and get something else entirely ("I threw that big hook monster on a lane with fried back-ends and it "hit" like a little girl, so it sucks") so the opinion is instantly poor.

Of course there are also those who have truly sampled the equipment and found it to be lacking or not matching up to their game.  Usually, bowlers of this knowledge and caliber will say something to the effect of "it doesn't work for me" instead of "all their stuff sucks".

I will confess, I haven't sampled much of Columbia lately, but my arsenal is aready built.  If there was a Columbia "demo-days" or "ball fair" or whatever you want to call those things, I'd surely go and throw a bunch of their stuff.  Until then, I won't say good or bad of their products.
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with columbia?
Post by: BadShot on March 01, 2004, 08:28:46 PM
train wreck - let's just agree to disagree, shall we?!?  

i have not thrown an ego, so i cannot speak directly about that ball.  what i can say is that columbia balls i've thrown such as the reaction roll, rev, richochet,and arc, the sport ball, the retro piranha, and the icon, icon 2 and icon 300 have all been some of the best equipment i've thrown (out of around 70 balls in the past 4 years).

i'm also gonna say that i think the wired is awesome, and i think the detour and the alter ego look like they're gonna be excellent, too.

i think that over the long haul, and in recent history, columbia has to be considered the #1 bowling equipment company in the world . . .
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with columbia?
Post by: Maelstrom on March 01, 2004, 09:15:18 PM
I, personaly, cannot say which comlumbia balls are good, bad or or if they are just or good or bad in general. Its just this site had half-led me to beleive that columbia balls are not good, but in the area which I live, many people use columbia equipment and do very well with it. Its just now I am kind of confused about if they are good are not, but like many people have stated, some companies work better than others for individuals.

I am starting to want to go away from storm because some of there newer stuff I have not liked, but columbia has a few balls that I am interested in along with a few other companies. The only columbia ball I have rolled was the jade scout reactive, but that was a long time ago, so it is just hard to say what that, and there other balls, might be like for me now.

Overall, columbia probobly has the most balls that I am interested in.







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Title: Re: Whats wrong with columbia?
Post by: BowlersAidProShop-Wells on March 02, 2004, 12:18:21 AM
Everyone makes good stuff now.  There are so many factors that vary all over the country and world as to what makes people match-up or not match-up well.  Hence some ball companies are favored more in some areas.  It's just plain ignorance to say ANY major ball manufacturer produces nothing but crap nowadays.  You're just wrong, simple as that.
Title: Re: Whats wrong with columbia?
Post by: Maelstrom on March 02, 2004, 07:45:19 PM
Yes, you are definently correct that no manufacturer produces mainly bad/useless bowling balls, but like I said, and many people said before, some compaines will work for some, some wont...
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