Post by: LuckyLefty on June 14, 2004, 12:26:13 AM
Yet all of sudden people don't seem to have the interest.
Balls I've seen having big games, WIRED, Ego, Reaction Rip, Detour, Formula, Icon 2, Icon, Reaction Rev, Throttle, Full Throttle, Throttle/R, Alter Ego.
How come more people aren't into this stuff!
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS love my EGO (especially now that out of box sheen off) and have traded for a Detour and amassed enough money for a Formula!
Post by: TECH SUPPORT on June 14, 2004, 03:48:00 PM
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Post by: mumzie on June 14, 2004, 04:01:30 PM
Whenever I convince myself to buy a Columbia ball, someone else (storm or Brunswick usually) has something that matches up just as well for me.
The only columbia ball I own is a rev I bought a year ago from a friend. Still do like that ball, though!
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Post by: DP3 on June 14, 2004, 06:50:21 PM
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Balls I've seen having big games, WIRED, Ego, Reaction Rip, Detour, Formula, Icon 2, Icon, Reaction Rev, Throttle, Full Throttle, Throttle/R, Alter Ego.
I've seen a backup bowler at 21 mph throw 19 in a row with a white dot....big deal. The ball can't roll itself
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Post by: Ernie McCracken on June 14, 2004, 07:03:58 PM
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How come more people aren't into this stuff!
Because it sucks. I used to throw a few Columbia balls but they never did anything for me. Didn't like how they hit or carried either.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on June 14, 2004, 07:12:49 PM
I could be wrong here, but at this time that is my opinion.
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Post by: LuckyLefty on June 14, 2004, 09:27:06 PM
I have an EGO it is unique, different and awesome. Incredible rev and drive.
UFD coverstock.
I have friends with the Wired. They both love it. One is on an 800 tear he believes is only part him. He thinks the ball is unique and different.
A friend and I threw the Formula. Supposedly the ball is close to the Icon 2, we didn't think so. We felt core movement was different, special and just plain old somethin else!
We noted the core is similar to Detour and read reviews and said, hmmm more of that core that could be special!
Have a Detour and now money for NIB Formula available at my friendly internet account.
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS have a friend that has a Wild, he thinks it's the mammary glands of a Playboy playmate(other word edited out). He's an idiot, (he just had an 851 with it, 5 on last ball!). He said he could have done it with a caramel white dot, NOT!!
Post by: channel surfer on June 14, 2004, 10:46:35 PM
http://members.cox.net/stevemainian/idiots.jpg
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Post by: channel surfer on June 14, 2004, 10:56:45 PM
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I threw Columbia before you were born
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Obviously so.
Have you ever tried it since?
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Post by: chipper2028 on June 14, 2004, 11:24:14 PM
Other columbia balls i've had success with are the wild, scout, messenger and pearl beast.
Post by: stanski on June 14, 2004, 11:55:09 PM
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Post by: Brickguy221 on June 15, 2004, 12:20:49 AM
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on June 15, 2004, 12:49:06 AM
Post by: channel surfer on June 15, 2004, 06:46:01 AM
Older stuff from columbia did blow, that i will admit. However, anything from the Throttle and up is great. It seems like a whole new company.
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Post by: Ernie McCracken on June 15, 2004, 08:05:26 AM
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It seems no one is really getting the picture..
Older stuff from columbia did blow, that i will admit. However, anything from the Throttle and up is great. It seems like a whole new company.
The Throttle is a terrible ball! The balls in the past were junk and the newer stuff is too. I'd throw Lane #1 before C300. Wait, lets rethink that!
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Post by: seadrive on June 15, 2004, 09:54:50 AM
) had that ball, made them feel like Mark Roth.Columbia just seems to have lost the marketing edge right now, I really think that's all it is. Same for Ebonite. The "cool" companies right now seem to be Storm, Dyno-Thane, and Roto-Grip. Brunswick would be in the same boat as E and C, if not for the obvious appeal of the Inferno line.
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on June 15, 2004, 10:42:03 AM
My biggest problem with C300: It used to be that I could buy most of the stuff they had one the market and there was hardly any overlap. That was not the case after the Reaction Arc. Too many balls at similiar price points covered the same lane conditions. On top of that---They could really re use the same core in ball after ball really well.
Another problem I have C300----they seem to be losing their creative edge. I heard of the Throttle line coming out and I was very interested, then I found out that the cores in the Throttles closely resemble Brunswick's Zone X and/or Fuze line cores.
I have never had a problem with a ball losing reaction though. This infamous tech death thing just never hit me. SO that is not a reason for me leaving C300.
Even with all of the mention of displeasure with C300, I am looking very closely at the Wired. The core seems interesting.
If ya got one and want to get rid of it, let me know
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Post by: channel surfer on June 15, 2004, 04:32:17 PM
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Throw what you like, I'm throwing Columbia.
Amen.
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Post by: Ric Clint on June 15, 2004, 06:27:31 PM
In the last 8 months, I've shot a 297, 290, (2) 299's, and (2) 800's with Columbia balls... the Mass Chaos, Extreme Chaos, and Reaction REV.
These balls die eventually but they are easily brought back to life with Ebonite's HOOK AGAIN! I'm a believer in the HOOK AGAIN... read all my posts about this stuff in the "Coverstock Forum".
The Mass Chaos, Extreme Chaos, and Reaction REV are balls that you just don't see anymore!!! Or not much anymore.
Yeah some will say, "oh it's the bowler not the ball." But I think a good ball reaction can turn a 185 averager into a 205 averager!!!!!!!!!!
These 3 balls above have the kind of reaction (long and strong particle's, not reactive's) that enables weaker handed strokers like me to shoot high 700's and an 800 everynow and then... as opposed to just "average" scores!
They're particle's, and that's eliminates the over/under when there's any kind of oil out there.
Post by: DP3 on June 15, 2004, 07:07:53 PM
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Post by: BowlersAidProShop-Wells on June 16, 2004, 03:42:14 AM
Post by: Walking E on June 21, 2004, 06:51:51 PM
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Columbia just seems to have lost the marketing edge right now, I really think that's all it is. Same for Ebonite. The "cool" companies right now seem to be Storm, Dyno-Thane, and Roto-Grip. Brunswick would be in the same boat as E and C, if not for the obvious appeal of the Inferno line.
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I'm not sure about bad marketing with Columbia, but I would say that this is much more the case with AMF. It's pretty rare in my area to see newer AMFs thrown, and even more rare to see someone throwing one on TV.
Personally, Columbia definitely lacks a "cool factor" for me. The new releases didn't do anything for me, in terms of either looks or presumed performance. I don't think it had to do with marketing for me because my pro shop guy had a great relationship with Columbia and stocked more of their products than anybody else. In other words, I saw Columbia stuff all the time yet I still had no desire to throw it. I have a Flipside Wow but would never have paid for it -- I won it in a raffle.
When I go and watch local pros or scratch league bowlers it seems like almost all of them are throwing Storm, Ebonite, Hammer or Track. I would see newer Columbia equipment here and there, but not nearly as much as the companies I listed above (and AMF is non-existant). I distinctly remember seeing Wendy Mac and Carol Gianotti throwing Columbia, but they were on Columbia's staff at the time. I'm sure in the coming months I'll see more and more Brunswick Infernos to help Brunswick join the list above, but doubtful that I'll see many Columbias. (Maybe, as someone suggested on another thread, I DON'T get out often enough, because I NEVER see Morich or Visionary balls thrown either. Either that or just nobody buys them out here in SoCal.)
As far as the Wow is concerned (I see some postings on its hooking ability), I could never get this ball to hook like I expected. It was initially drilled to rev early and it would do that, but it would never make a turn on the back end unless I had dead dry back ends, which I never had. I recently plugged and redrilled to have it finish stronger for me (pin is now above ring ringer, CG between ring and thumb) and it finishes much stronger for me, but it still doesn't hook a ton for me on oil. Then again, the surface has shined up recently so I should probably sand it a bit and see if I get a stronger reaction now.
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Post by: janderson on June 21, 2004, 07:21:13 PM
- "Out of sight" - just don't see many people throwing this stuff, so haven't seen anything to grab my interest
- Lack of recommendations - haven't heard anyone excited about the latest offerings.
- Poor reports - My pro shop operator has seen a largely disproportionate number of Jekylls and Hydes with cracked-beyond-repair shells. Several bowling "buddies" have Icon/2/quads that are dead.
- Advertising quirks - they label much of their stuff as "skid/flip" which is generally a no-no for me.
It all adds up to me tending to stay away from Columbia in general (and I threw Columbia 300 almost exclusively until the last 1980s). The Super Trooper is the first ball in the last two years from the company to catch my interest. However, it has been difficult to find someone who has thrown it and can give me a good review (over the write-up in BTM magazine) and comparison so ...
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Post by: TheDude on June 22, 2004, 09:11:44 AM
I threw the full throttle and even shot an honor score with it but never liked it for some reason, probably short pin. The formula for me was good but after changing the coverstock frequently it has just been cycled out of my arsenal.
I am throwing an ego right now and loving it.
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Post by: Borincano on June 23, 2004, 11:22:24 PM
Back to the subject. I am now very interested in the new Columbia line and encourage others to try them out.
I will try to provide my own personal mini reviews later. Up to now I have had a lot of gooood games.