Post by: Brickguy221 on April 20, 2010, 01:27:23 PM
When I went home, I decided to mix some Simple Green and Alcohol that many talk about until I could order more Remedy, so I mixed 50% Simple Green and 50% Isopropyl 91% Alcohol. I used it the same way I used the Remedy. So far it appears it does ok. Sure cleans the dirt off but don't know if it draws the oil out as good as Remedy though.
To sum up the reason why I wrote this long Topic is that when using Remedy or any other ball cleaner or this Simple Green-Alcohol mix and keep my towel damp during bowling, it sure makes my microfiber towels really-really dirty. With the purchased ball cleaners, all of this dirt stain never comes out of the towels and they still look somewhat dirty/stained after cleaning them. With the Simple Green-Alcohol mix, the towels come almost completely clean with very little if any trace of stain on them.
Has anyone else experienced when cleaning the towels, that they come cleaner if using Simple Green-Alcohol mix than they do when using purchased ball cleaners?
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Post by: WSUstroker on April 20, 2010, 09:56:15 PM
For cleaning the towels, try soaking them in an oxiclean solution or some other stain remover prior to running them through the wash. That should help get the stingy dirt/oil from the towels.
Post by: RealBowler on April 20, 2010, 10:17:24 PM
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Post by: Brickguy221 on April 20, 2010, 11:23:37 PM
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I'd imagine the Simple Green/IPA mix isn't getting as much grime off the ball as the Remedy RX.
I think it cleaned almost if not as well. For example, I had a couple of ounces of both Remedy and Black Magic Ultimate Rejuvenator in my cupboard at home. When I got home, I tried it to see if the Simple Green-Alcohol mix got the balls clean at the lanes and using a white towel to clean the ball, no more dirt-oil came off the balls using either cleaner.
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Post by: ValentinoBowling on April 21, 2010, 03:40:36 AM
On another note:
Simple Green is actually marketed as a laundry booster.
http://www.simplegreen.com/pdfs/06_dilutions_consumer.pdf
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Post by: Doug Sterner on April 22, 2010, 11:03:12 PM
recently I noticed that the balls did not feel clean so I sprayed the ball down with 70& isopropyl alcohol. When I did this I got a very nasty residue on my towel...now in the shop I use simple red shop rags from WalMArt or any auto parts store.
I have found that in my home house that if I use the alcohol first and then the Zapp It I get a much better cleaning than if I use either by themselves.
I bowl at another house where the Zapp It works flawlessly on it's own.
In a nutshell I think that the grime and dirt build up that is found in some houses is too much for the regular ball cleaners to cut through. If you use the alcohol first (or perhaps Simple Green etc) then it will cut that grime and allow the ball cleaner to attack the lane oil in the pores of the ball.
As for why then towels will not come clean, again I feel it is due to the Simple Green dissolving the grime on the ball and transferring it to the towel. Regular washing won't cut that grime unless you soak them.
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Post by: jt_shanks on May 01, 2010, 09:29:41 PM
What I do mix as my home grown cleaner is 5 parts water to 1 part Purple Power Industrial Strength Degreaser. You can find this cleaner at Lowes or Home Depot on the cheap. This works very well, and leaves my ball squeaky clean. I haven't tried adding alcohol to the mix, but I may try it the next batch I mix. I'd probably opt for the 90% IPA/10% Water variety.
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Post by: tlyrpr7 on May 01, 2010, 09:50:30 PM
Post by: Brickguy221 on May 01, 2010, 10:52:30 PM
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I too use Remedy RX, but find it rather pricey. I never had much luck with Simple Green, I always felt that it left a film. (no matter how much I diluted it)
What I do mix as my home grown cleaner is 5 parts water to 1 part Purple Power Industrial Strength Degreaser. You can find this cleaner at Lowes or Home Depot on the cheap. This works very well, and leaves my ball squeaky clean. I haven't tried adding alcohol to the mix, but I may try it the next batch I mix. I'd probably opt for the 90% IPA/10% Water variety.
Shanks,
I don't know if it matters or not, but in my 50% Simple Green-50% Alcohol test, I used the 91% Isopropyl Alcohol and not the 70%. I can't prove it does or does not remove or draw oil out of the ball as good as purchased ball cleaners, but do know that after I clean my ball with the 50-50 mix and then apply a purchased ball cleaner to see how well the 50-50 mix cleaned the ball, my towel comes off completely clean, so I will have to assume the 50-50 mix did as good as a purchased ball cleaner.
I still clean my balls every 9-12 games with Clean & Dull (depending on how much oil I have been bowling in) same as I did when using purchased ball cleaners.
As for leaving a film on the ball, I haven't noticed any film left on the ball with the 50-50 mix.
I'm not saying at this time that I won't return to using Remedy RX again as I may do so, I don't know, but I will have to order some if I do. My original topic was meant to report my first experience using a Simple Green Alcohol mix.
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Post by: JohnP on May 02, 2010, 05:30:06 PM
Post by: Brickguy221 on May 02, 2010, 05:46:56 PM
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To eliminate any film, take 30 seconds to wipe the ball with a damp paper towel when you finish
That was my thinking also John if the Simple Green leaves a film on the ball but I haven't noticed any with the mix I am using. Will look closer the next time I clean my ball and see if it leaves a film.
Actually, I use that mix while I am bowling. I keep my towel damp and wipe the ball every time I get up to bowl. I did the same thing with Remedy RX.
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Post by: ImakeA2srun on May 02, 2010, 11:17:30 PM
Post by: Brickguy221 on May 02, 2010, 11:35:54 PM
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You should only use alcohol every once in a while, it will kill your ball eventually.
I never heard of that before..... Acetone yes, but Alcohol???
Anyone else ever hear of alcohol killing a ball?
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Renew It and hook it are good products. 10 bucks for a 8 oz bottle.
$13.95 plus tax for a 6 oz bottle in pro shops here.
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Post by: TDC57 on May 03, 2010, 12:28:16 AM
Post by: StormFreak5552 on May 03, 2010, 12:43:51 AM
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OMG! You used a non-bowling ball cleaner on your balls? Now they are going to crack, melt, shrink, leave 10 pins, etc!
So that's why I've left so many 10 pins... Thank you mr. for bringing this to my attention! Off to buy another $15 6 oz bottle of cleaner that really doesn't clean that much better than the mixture I currently use!
Post by: ImakeA2srun on May 03, 2010, 01:01:32 AM
Post by: JohnP on May 03, 2010, 09:45:14 AM
Post by: milorafferty on May 03, 2010, 11:07:35 AM
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To eliminate any film, take 30 seconds to wipe the ball with a damp paper towel when you finish. I do this as the final step no matter what cleaner I use. -- JohnP
Very true. I have a spray bottle with just water which I use no matter what cleaner I clean the ball with. It leaves a very tacky feel that ball cleaner alone doesn't seem to give.
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Post by: kingpin268 on May 03, 2010, 11:25:52 AM
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Post by: Skizriz on May 03, 2010, 07:23:10 PM
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Post by: Skizriz on May 03, 2010, 07:34:28 PM
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Look up the MSDS sheet for KEGEL'S Revive ball cleaner.
CHEMICAL NAME...............CONCENTRATION %
water........................ 82-87
2-butoxyethanol...............4-6
isopropanol...................2-4
surfacant blend..............1-3
Bet it contains the same ingredients as you will find in most household/automotive cleaner/degreasers.
Soap
Alcohol
Water
And the 2-butox stuff.
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Post by: charlest on May 03, 2010, 08:39:35 PM
"The main use of 2-butoxyethanol is as a solvent in paints and surface coatings, followed by cleaning products and inks. It provides cleaning power and the characteristic odor of Windex and other glass cleaners. Other products which contain 2-butoxyethanol include acrylic resin formulations, asphalt release agents, firefighting foam, leather protectors, oil spill dispersants, bowling pin and lane degreaser, and photographic strip solutions. 2-Butoxyethanol is a primary ingredient of various whiteboard cleaners, liquid soaps, cosmetics, dry cleaning solutions, lacquers, varnishes, herbicides, and latex paints. It also seems to be excellent at killing most insects and arachnids.
It is the main ingredient of many home, commercial, and industrial cleaning solutions such as Simple Green All-Purpose Cleaner which has been used to clean up oil spills. The primary manufacturers are Eastman Chemical, Dow Chemical and Equistar in the United States."
So it seems that the Kegel Revive is dilute Simple Green with isopropyl alcohol.
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Post by: T C 300 on May 03, 2010, 10:28:21 PM
iv heard of hankelite???.. being used as ball cleaner....(home made concoction)
was used in the printing business to clean ink off the presses. think it was a "harsh chemical" and its not made any more, something less harsh was formulated..
Post by: T C 300 on May 03, 2010, 10:59:40 PM
works great
Post by: Skizriz on May 04, 2010, 02:58:26 PM
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I found this about 2-butoxyethanol:
"The main use of 2-butoxyethanol is as a solvent in paints and surface coatings, followed by cleaning products and inks. It provides cleaning power and the characteristic odor of Windex and other glass cleaners. Other products which contain 2-butoxyethanol include acrylic resin formulations, asphalt release agents, firefighting foam, leather protectors, oil spill dispersants, bowling pin and lane degreaser, and photographic strip solutions. 2-Butoxyethanol is a primary ingredient of various whiteboard cleaners, liquid soaps, cosmetics, dry cleaning solutions, lacquers, varnishes, herbicides, and latex paints. It also seems to be excellent at killing most insects and arachnids.
It is the main ingredient of many home, commercial, and industrial cleaning solutions such as Simple Green All-Purpose Cleaner which has been used to clean up oil spills. The primary manufacturers are Eastman Chemical, Dow Chemical and Equistar in the United States."
So it seems that the Kegel Revive is dilute Simple Green with isopropyl alcohol.
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Last time I brought this up you jumped on me pretty hard.
We had this discussion awhile back when I posted about comparing expensive ball cleaner to cheaper degreasers.I tried to tell you that they were the same.
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Post by: Skizriz on May 04, 2010, 03:06:39 PM
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Post by: Steven on May 05, 2010, 05:38:51 PM
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I used to use 50% diluted Simple Green with water, and that would take dirt off but not belt marks. I have since been using Neo-Tac's Hook-It, and that cleaner is amazing. Very strong stuff. Just dissolves belt marks with little effort.
+1 to Kingpin. If you want to get serious about cleaning, Neo-Tac's Hook-It is far superior to SG mixtures.
Post by: tlyrpr7 on May 05, 2010, 06:46:55 PM