Author Topic: 4000 Abralon? How about 12000? (Read 7874 times)

JessN16 · « **on:** August 01, 2009, 10:34:50 AM »

Link: http://www.sisweb.com/micromesh/

Navigate to "pads" under the right-hand menu and choose between "regular," "AO" or "MX." A couple of those are for foam-based pads that I'm told are very similar to Trizact, but that have grits much lower and higher than I've seen from Abralon.

Looking for some feedback from people who have used this stuff.

Jess

charlest · « **Reply #1 on:** August 01, 2009, 07:44:48 PM »

As far as I have learned:

If you'll notice on that page, that 12000 grit is equivalent to 2 microns.

Micro-mesh have been around for a long time in the woodworking hobby. Their "grit" levels are based on the Japanese standard.

While 12000 grit (Japanese) may seem very fine, P4000 ggrit or 4000 grit Abralon (FEPA or European standard) is equal to about 3 microns. Trizact's white pad (Cerium oxide) is actually much finer than that, less than 1 micron.

To be honest, I have never tried the micro-mesh, even in my woodworking, because Abralon and other abrasives, seemed more practical and less expensive. Even Trizact is used on hard surfaced materials, like Corian and glass.

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JessN16 · « **Reply #2 on:** August 01, 2009, 08:06:23 PM »

So what would their 12000 be equivalent to in Abralon, if Abralon made something in equivalent grit?

Jess

charlest · « **Reply #3 on:** August 01, 2009, 09:25:52 PM »

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So what would their 12000 be equivalent to in Abralon, if Abralon made something in equivalent grit?

Jess

Maybe P5000 Abralon (or 2500 grit US).

Trizact white pad (cerium oxide) is in the P6000 - P8000 grit range.
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taige690 · « **Reply #4 on:** August 02, 2009, 07:30:54 PM »

I currently use 2500 paper on my Game Breaker opposed to 4000 abralon. i know they are so close in grit but I get a better feel using the paper.I used both in my one league and I some how felt better as far as the results with the paper. I would not think anything higher than 2000grit would be nesscary.

JohnP · « **Reply #5 on:** August 02, 2009, 07:58:14 PM »

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charlest · « **Reply #6 on:** August 02, 2009, 08:10:42 PM »

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charlest -- Have you ever tried a slurry of pumice or rottenstone on a bowling ball? -- JohnP

Tried a lot of things, but not that ... yet.
Been tempted, though. (Still use 0000 steel wool and white nylon pads, and such between coats of urethane and other sealers.)

What grit level have you tried underneath either and what does the result seem to be the equivalent of?
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tenpinspro · « **Reply #7 on:** August 03, 2009, 02:18:58 AM »

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Looking for some feedback from people who have used this stuff.

Fwiw, I've tried 12000 or 16000, can't remember for sure but it came from a customer who worked in construction.

What I saw was a similar surface to about 4k abralon and when he tried the ball after the application, it hooked like 4k as well. It didn't go super long or anything of that nature.

With the help of Charlest, I did however try the cerium oxide on a Cherry Vibe (grit by grit and then high glossed) for a customer and that did go noticeably longer before it reacted.

I've also tried 4k on my spinner at high speed and that made the balls a little too squirty. It backed off in any kind of oil but still hooked off true dry so it actually made it a little O/U. May not be bad for bowlers with less tilt or good forward roll though.
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Centers · « **Reply #8 on:** August 03, 2009, 03:44:02 AM »

I think its called newspaper!

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JohnP · « **Reply #9 on:** August 03, 2009, 09:57:48 AM »

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What grit level have you tried underneath either and what does the result seem to be the equivalent of?

I've never tried either. Since you're a woodworker I thought you might have. After going through 4000 Abralon I really doubt that finer grits would make much difference. Polish, of course, would. -- JohnP

no300tj · « **Reply #10 on:** August 04, 2009, 01:44:36 PM »

I've been trying to post about this since Sunday, but had computer issues. I bought some of the standard ones a year or so ago. When I took my Silver Streak and World Class Reactive all the way to 12000, they are shiny like they have polish on them. Definitely smoother than 4000 abralon. The difference in the ball motion is slight. I found the surface to be sensitive to downlane oil at 12000. Also, it tracks up almost immediately, so the reaction changes within a game or so.
Charlest weighed in on this back then and as usual, was spot on in his take that it won't make any real difference to go that high. I have since learned that anything over the 6000 isn't a good idea. Add polish is a better one. The reaction will last longer. The lower grits are good, my Depth Charge at 3600 micro-mesh is a beast on the PBA patterns. It looks like a matte finish like 2000 ab or rough buff. Hope this helps, T.J.
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Cambumbo · « **Reply #11 on:** August 04, 2009, 01:51:28 PM »

The highest I've gone is 8000 and have had positive results, especially with skid/flip equipment and mild coverstocks on conditions with carrydown.
I may have to give 12000 a try. I have been using 4000 with Snake Oil with great results recently as well.

charlest · « **Reply #12 on:** August 04, 2009, 01:56:36 PM »

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What grit level have you tried underneath either and what does the result seem to be the equivalent of?

I've never tried either. Since you're a woodworker I thought you might have. After going through 4000 Abralon I really doubt that finer grits would make much difference. Polish, of course, would. -- JohnP

Depends on the ball, John. But, for the 99.99% case, you are right.

I only tried one or two balls using the Trizact white pad after the 40000 Abralon pad. They did go longer with less backend. I tried it on one ball that I wanted to "make" work on a lighter oil pattern (it was a few years back and I don't even remember which ball it as.)

I usually save the Trizact white pad for older Brunswick made particle balls or Lanemasters particles balls, both of which have VERY hard particles.
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