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General Category => Coverstock Preparation => Topic started by: 300 dan on November 15, 2015, 06:25:53 PM
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Have a question for anyone who has used both products. How does Motiv's cleaning products compare to clean and dull.
Thanks Dan
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I've used both and they're comparable. Motiv's Power Gel Scuff is very good on surface dirt, grime, getting rid of track marks, and minor scratching. It also has an abrasive in there so it will add a little bit of surface to the cover. Compared to Clean n' Dull, Power Gel Scuff is also an oil absorber. This means if you let it sit on the ball, it will actually absorb some oil out of the cover as it dries.
One word of caution though: this does NOT replace baking oil out of the ball. It will help, but if you want a total oil extraction, baking it is the best way to go.
Power Gel Clean is different in that it's just a standard cleaner. It's comparable to other cleaners such as Remedy Rx, Powerhouse Energizer, Reacta Clean, etc.
You won't go wrong either way. Both are good products to use.
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Thanks Tommyboy i've used clean and dull was wondering if there were any advantages or disadvantages with Motiv's gel products. May give them a try..
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I like Power Gel Scuff the best of the Motiv products. The Power Gel Clean is also a good product. I like that the cleaner is a gel and I actually use all of the product instead of losing some to missed spraying or to extreme towel absorption.
Not a fan of Motiv Power Gel Polish. Just haven't been able to get the results I want.
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I've found PG Scuff to be a lot like Valentino's Resurrection: they abrade the ball to the 1200-1800 grit range when used by hand, cleaning the ball quite well. When used with pressure and the spinner, they'll take the ball to much finer, depending on your pressure and the time, leaving a finer and possibly lightly polished finish.
Clean and Dull does not not normally abrade the surface without a lot of pressure and time and then much,much less than the above 2. Clean and Dull is the next best thing to a full extraction. In fact, if you use C&D regularly and thoroughly you can postpone an extraction for a long time.
Power Gel Clean is not, in my experience, comparable to the best water-based cleaners, like Remedy, Knock Out, Zapp-It, Vise cleaner & Liquid Nitro.
PG polish is one of the least abrasive polishes on the market. It is really good for rev-dominant bowlers because it allows you to get so many levels of polish, degrees of shine. If you are speed dominant, you need a full shine or a dull ball; then some of the other more abrasive polishes may be a better choice. If you expect to get an immediate high gloss shine with Power Gel, you'd be wrong. It takes a while and at least 2 coats to get a higher degree of shine. As I said, it's strength is that you stop at any point in the process and get small steps of length and control.
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For cleaning, 50/50 mixture of Simple Green and alcohol is very cost effective.
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For cleaning, 50/50 mixture of Simple Green and alcohol is very cost effective.
Cheap, but it can't be used during bowling.
After bowling, Clean & Dull, Hook-It or LMB International's ball cleaner are all much more effective. They all remove ground in oil lines that SG won't.
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For cleaning, 50/50 mixture of Simple Green and alcohol is very cost effective.
Cheap, but it can't be used during bowling.
After bowling, Clean & Dull, Hook-It or LMB International's ball cleaner are all much more effective. They all remove ground in oil lines that SG won't.
+1 on the LMB.
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For cleaning, 50/50 mixture of Simple Green and alcohol is very cost effective.
Cheap, but it can't be used during bowling.
After bowling, Clean & Dull, Hook-It or LMB International's ball cleaner are all much more effective. They all remove ground in oil lines that SG won't.
Thanks for stating the what people need to know about SG relative to the stronger ball specific cleaners. It gets lost very once on a while.
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Power Gel Scuff is a really good cleaner and gets the ball nice and dull due to the abrasive compound that it has. i use to use Clean and Dull for a long time but decided to try other cleaners like Power Gel Scuff and Ultimate Rejuvenator and both works just as good.
Power Gel Clean is a good basic cleaner to get dirt and belt marks off the ball but I like to always follow that up with Remedy RX. Only time I use that cleaner is on my pearl balls like my Forza Redline and Power Machine.
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Thanks everyone for the replies and input.
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For cleaning, 50/50 mixture of Simple Green and alcohol is very cost effective.
Cheap, but it can't be used during bowling.
After bowling, Clean & Dull, Hook-It or LMB International's ball cleaner are all much more effective. They all remove ground in oil lines that SG won't.
You can use the original formula simple green at anytime and it is legal. I'm not sure if your post was pertaining to mixing with alcohol or not using it in its original bottle. Those two things may make it illegal. Even though Isopropyl alcohol is legal at anytime as well.
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For cleaning, 50/50 mixture of Simple Green and alcohol is very cost effective.
Cheap, but it can't be used during bowling.
After bowling, Clean & Dull, Hook-It or LMB International's ball cleaner are all much more effective. They all remove ground in oil lines that SG won't.
You can use the original formula simple green at anytime and it is legal. I'm not sure if your post was pertaining to mixing with alcohol or not using it in its original bottle. Those two things may make it illegal. Even though Isopropyl alcohol is legal at anytime as well.
But plain SG leaves a film. It then has to be cleaned off before you bowl with it.
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For cleaning, 50/50 mixture of Simple Green and alcohol is very cost effective.
Cheap, but it can't be used during bowling.
After bowling, Clean & Dull, Hook-It or LMB International's ball cleaner are all much more effective. They all remove ground in oil lines that SG won't.
You can use the original formula simple green at anytime and it is legal. I'm not sure if your post was pertaining to mixing with alcohol or not using it in its original bottle. Those two things may make it illegal. Even though Isopropyl alcohol is legal at anytime as well.
But plain SG leaves a film. It then has to be cleaned off before you bowl with it.
Not enough of a film according to USBC. Or else it wouldn't be on the approved anytime list. I was told by USBC that was the reason that they moved Clean N Dull to the before and after list, because it left a film on the ball.
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For cleaning, 50/50 mixture of Simple Green and alcohol is very cost effective.
Cheap, but it can't be used during bowling.
After bowling, Clean & Dull, Hook-It or LMB International's ball cleaner are all much more effective. They all remove ground in oil lines that SG won't.
You can use the original formula simple green at anytime and it is legal. I'm not sure if your post was pertaining to mixing with alcohol or not using it in its original bottle. Those two things may make it illegal. Even though Isopropyl alcohol is legal at anytime as well.
But plain SG leaves a film. It then has to be cleaned off before you bowl with it.
Not enough of a film according to USBC. Or else it wouldn't be on the approved anytime list. I was told by USBC that was the reason that they moved Clean N Dull to the before and after list, because it left a film on the ball.
I'm not worried about what the USBC saw; I'm basing what I said on what I saw when I used it to clean my shield of some nasty stuff. It left a film that required alcohol to remove.
Clean and Dull has a proven track record.
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For cleaning, 50/50 mixture of Simple Green and alcohol is very cost effective.
Cheap, but it can't be used during bowling.
After bowling, Clean & Dull, Hook-It or LMB International's ball cleaner are all much more effective. They all remove ground in oil lines that SG won't.
You can use the original formula simple green at anytime and it is legal. I'm not sure if your post was pertaining to mixing with alcohol or not using it in its original bottle. Those two things may make it illegal. Even though Isopropyl alcohol is legal at anytime as well.
But plain SG leaves a film. It then has to be cleaned off before you bowl with it.
Not enough of a film according to USBC. Or else it wouldn't be on the approved anytime list. I was told by USBC that was the reason that they moved Clean N Dull to the before and after list, because it left a film on the ball.
I'm not worried about what the USBC saw; I'm basing what I said on what I saw when I used it to clean my shield of some nasty stuff. It left a film that required alcohol to remove.
Clean and Dull has a proven track record.
Why did you say a mixture of simple green and iso alcohol couldn't be used during bowling, because it is a mixture? You could use simple green and then alcohol if you were worried about the film affecting your ball performance.
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According to what I've read before, The Simple Green/Alcohol mixture is not technically Legal or Illegal. (So in that case most just go with illegal)
Because the mixture of the two legal products hasn't been submitted to the USBC for testing.
I assume it hasn't been submitted because nobody wants to pony up the testing fee.
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Makes sense
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For cleaning, 50/50 mixture of Simple Green and alcohol is very cost effective.
Cheap, but it can't be used during bowling.
After bowling, Clean & Dull, Hook-It or LMB International's ball cleaner are all much more effective. They all remove ground in oil lines that SG won't.
You can use the original formula simple green at anytime and it is legal. I'm not sure if your post was pertaining to mixing with alcohol or not using it in its original bottle. Those two things may make it illegal. Even though Isopropyl alcohol is legal at anytime as well.
But plain SG leaves a film. It then has to be cleaned off before you bowl with it.
Not enough of a film according to USBC. Or else it wouldn't be on the approved anytime list. I was told by USBC that was the reason that they moved Clean N Dull to the before and after list, because it left a film on the ball.
I'm not worried about what the USBC saw; I'm basing what I said on what I saw when I used it to clean my shield of some nasty stuff. It left a film that required alcohol to remove.
Clean and Dull has a proven track record.
Why did you say a mixture of simple green and iso alcohol couldn't be used during bowling, because it is a mixture? You could use simple green and then alcohol if you were worried about the film affecting your ball performance.
Because every mixture is, according to the USBC, a different chemical and has to be approved separately. Someone posted this a while back (maybe a year, maybe 18 months) and specifically asked that question of the USBC and was told any mixture they hadn't tested is not approved. So SG by itself is approved; SG plus anything else is not approved for use on a bowling ball at any time.
Besides all that, SG is simply not as good as Clean and Dull, Hook-It or LMB International High Performance ball cleaner. It's great on garage floors but not on bowling balls. If you want to use it, I'm the last person to stop you; I just can't recommend it personally.