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General Category => Coverstock Preparation => Topic started by: xrayjay on December 02, 2015, 01:31:09 PM
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affect in ball reaction vs balls with multi color?
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It has been alleged that different color pigments can affect ball reaction. There have been quite a few instances that I've heard of over the years of test balls reacting a certain way only to have production balls be quite different once different color pigments were used in the finished products. I remember hearing allegations like that with both the Hammer Deal and the old Bone XS to be sure. I know I've heard of others, but I can't think of any by name.
So, yes, color can sometimes cause reaction changes, but that doesn't mean that a red ball will hook more than a blue ball or that a two-colored ball will hook more or less than a tri-colored ball. It's simply goofy differences that sometimes arise when you're mixing multiple things to make one finished product.
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I remember the Storm Tropical Heat pearl was originally introduced in a red & blue cover stock, Apparently the red/blue cover stock did not perform as expected and within a few months was replaced with an orange & purple cover stock. The orange/purple was around for two to three years before hitting the discontinued list.
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Ebonite had a video about this and even showed the differences when they hyped the original Mission. I sure wish I could find a NIB 14lb with decent specs and be reasonably priced.
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Color, by itself, has less to do with reaction than it used to. Advancements have helped with that. However, sometimes the manufacturer needs to adjust the coverstock formula slightly in order to achieve their desired color.
For example, the Pink/Black Slingshot (if memory is correct) was actually the cover from the original Inferno because the pink turned out better with that formulation, which made that particular Slingshot a little better than the rest (in my opinion).
Perceived reaction versus actual reaction will always come into play. Some colors are seen by the eyes differently which can give the impression that "Ball A" hooks more than "Ball B", when in actuality they are the same (or any difference is barely distinguishable).
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pretty interesting.....
In the past, maybe 10 years ago or so, I've heard guys say solid colored balls roll smoother than multi-colored balls. I'm not sure how true that can be now. but it's pretty interesting cause I have two solid colored balls and they both have different ball motions with very similar drills - solid covers with different OOB finish.
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Perceived reaction versus actual reaction will always come into play.
I think this is spot on. multi-color balls just give a better visual indication to the motion it makes than a single solid color.
one of the better balls to compare this is the IQ tour and IQ tour nano; give how similar they are.
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I was lucky enough to tour the EBI facility in Hopkinsville a few years ago
they told us that color did affect overall hook
Red and White hooked the most
this was 3 or 4 years ago
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Oh no, not this topic again.
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Trust me...there's a lot more perception than reality with a dash of marketing...
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This topic is a lot like the static weight argument.
Some will say yes, makes a difference that matters.
Others will say no, really not enough that you will ever notice.
Me personally, I dont think I would drill a red ball any different than I would any other ball.
To me, color only matters aesthetically.
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He's right about the mission. During testing the ref mission out hooked the blue mission by an arrow..
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Everyone knows pastel colors out-hook bold ones. ;)
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I thought surface dictated hook...weird (:
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The story I heard back when I started bowling around the urethane era just before the resin balls was, It wasn't the color additive that made them stronger.
It was just that The companies used colors as basically a color coding system.
They used darker colors like black, burgundy etc. for the strong hooking balls and
the lighter colors for balls that were the weaker ones.
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Does it matter since we can't change the ball color? Similar to core discussion etc the manufacturers take all of that into consideration when making and selling the ball.
With the exception of multi optioned entry level bowling balls the rest of it is not an option.
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Kid...completely playing devil's advocate here in my response that pigment DOES make a difference:
You are correct about not being able to choose ball color unless it is entry level (Tropicals, Strike Kings, etc)...what about a ball like the Optimus Solid. I have one and have seen others punched and on display and the ball is a mix of red/yellow/blue (as stated on the box label). What if one Optimus comes out almost completely red...and another is almost all blue? Yes, they might be marked as 2nds or X Comps or whatever Storm labels them, but from ball to ball, there could be a substantial difference in ball reaction and as a customer, we have NO say in what ball we get. The red Optimus could hook X more than an almost all blue Optimus.
What are we going to ask our pro shop owner to do? Call Ace Mitchell (distributor) and have one of the pullers in the warehouse look through 10-15 Optimus Solids to see which one has more red pigment than another?
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Think abt this logically...do you honestly think one color 'hooked' 5 boards more than another? Seriously? If that was the case every high performance highest 'hook' rated ball would be red...every mid range ball would be black...every low end reaction would be white?
When we tested balls (while I was at Brunswick) the largest gap I ever saw was 1/2 board and we had Bayer doing our mixing and helping with the chemical compound...
When you're coming out with a new product you're looking at aesthetics...and keep in mind...companies are running out of color combos and names
It's been stated previously...its perception...its what your eye either sees or wants to sees...why you think so many players like all black balls? Less contrast
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Wowzers that's like bowlers thinking hybrids are such because the ball has a solid and pearl resin mixed and one being stronger then the other because it has more "solid" then "pearl" in the mix…..any never think about the entire ball surface being the same finish. Then we have the previous mention topics of engraved labels effecting ball reaction.
People worried about those factors aren't a factor on the lanes.
If only my ball had more red pigment………….or more solid in the hybrid… then I'd have carried that flat 10 pin that cost me.
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How do you gauge multi-color? And yes hybrids are ALL marketing...
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Agree with both of you Kid and Rico.
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When a perception is based upon an individual's visual...it becomes reality...it's amazing what one can believe when they think they see something...
Take lighting into consideration over the lane and where the ball reacts
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So was amf/global behind or ahead when they couldn't make tri colored bowling balls before joining with storm/roto?
Maybe all tri colored balls are a disadvantage vs solid single colors….. Or are dual and tri colored balls the first hybrid covers?
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This argument goes clear back to the polyester era. Most people thought that pigments did impact hook potential on Columbia balls. Red, Carmel seemed to be stronger than blue green gray and black in the white dot series. Columbia seemed to tacitly acknowledge this, using red for its strong hooking yellow dot, and gray for its dry lane blue dot. Hardness was the biggest factor back then, and it was more impacted by the curing process which was not done in a climate controlled environment during that era. However different pigments may have also had an impact on hardness.