Post by: Skizriz on August 21, 2009, 02:03:13 AM
Tested it out on a ball I don't really like to see what happens. Sprayed it down, lot it soak for a few minutes, wiped it off with a paper towel, and the ball came out feeling very clean with a nice tacky feel.
It looked like it was actually drawing oil out and beading up as it soaked.
I may have stumbled onto a GOOD cheap cleaner here. It seems like it should be pretty safe to use, I don't see anything about it that looks like it would be harmful to a ball.
http://www.oileater.com/CleanerDegreaser.html
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Post by: charlest on August 21, 2009, 06:16:30 PM
And who says it will never harm bowlingballs?
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Post by: Skizriz on August 21, 2009, 07:20:32 PM
You got me, who says it will never harm bowling balls ????
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Post by: charlest on August 22, 2009, 07:58:19 PM
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You got me, who says it will never harm bowling balls ????
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When bowling ball companies market cleaners don't you think they test the cleaner to see if it may harm their balls? Isn't that common sense??
If you use a cleaner NOT marketed by a bowling ball company, who tests to see if it harms a bowling ball? ANyone? Not likely?
So what assurance do you have that it will not harm a bowling ball?
I am not risking my $200 to test your cleaner. That's for darned sure, to be very polite!!!!! Don't give a darn how good it removes grease! There are plenty of great ball specific cleaners available. Don't care how cheap you are.
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Post by: Steven on August 23, 2009, 06:53:38 PM
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charlest, you realize you're being a dick for no reason...don't you?
Passing on correct information doesn't make him a 'dick'.
It seems that every week, someone is touting a new cleaner because it happens to be cheaper than a piece of bubble gum. Charlest is just issuing a fair warning.
Post by: charlest on August 23, 2009, 07:43:53 PM
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charlest, you realize you're being a dick for no reason...don't you?
If being blunt about the hazards of ruining a $200+ ball makes me that in your eyes, then so be it. My warning stands.
Sometimes pounding people over the head with a 2x4, figuratively, is the only the way to get a point across. See my signature for details!
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Post by: pagnouch on August 23, 2009, 07:56:44 PM
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Post by: Rileybowler on August 23, 2009, 08:06:34 PM
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Post by: scotts33 on August 23, 2009, 10:08:36 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_silicate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2-Butoxyethanol
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Post by: pagnouch on August 23, 2009, 10:13:11 PM
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Post by: Steven on August 23, 2009, 10:28:43 PM
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You can't warn someone about something if you don't know anything about it...fact.
The one fact that we do know is that oileater is not on the approved USBC ball cleaner list:
http://bowl.com/equipandspecs/index.jsp
That's the only fact that's relevant. Cheap or not, it has not been tested and approved for bowling ball use. So nobody can say with certainty if the product performs gradual damage to balls.
There are too many really good cleaners (Clean N' Dull, HookIt, etc.) to take a chance on untested stuff. Why take the risk?
Post by: No Revs00300 on August 24, 2009, 12:45:17 PM
Post by: Rileybowler on August 24, 2009, 12:48:59 PM
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People still care what the USBC thinks? They still have a side weight rule how retarded is that? As for the cleaner issue, I have used a lot of USBC cleaners that are not very good or strong. So why not try a cleaner that could get you a lot of very good short term performance than one the USBC has approved that doesn't work that well and leaves oil. Storms Xtra Clean comes to mind for a garbage cleaner. So keep overpaying for clean n dull just because the USBC says it's ok to use, either way your ball is going to eventually die...it's what they do. (Show some restraint and don't list off bowling balls that "didn't" die for you)
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Post by: icewall on August 24, 2009, 01:26:35 PM
you can use just about any cleaner you want (as long as its approved of course) but why not use what has been proven to work? CLEAN N' DULL
its GREAT and it seems to last WAY longer then any other cleaner. I bought a big 32 oz bottle 2 years ago and clean my equipment (twice a week), my brothers (once a week) and my friends and (i use a LOT at once) I still have half the bottle left. IMO thats cheaper and more effective then any mix that someone can come up with.
*flame suit on*
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Post by: Steven on August 24, 2009, 01:49:03 PM
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its GREAT and it seems to last WAY longer then any other cleaner. I bought a big 32 oz bottle 2 years ago and clean my equipment (twice a week), my brothers (once a week) and my friends and (i use a LOT at once) I still have half the bottle left. IMO thats cheaper and more effective then any mix that someone can come up with.
+1
I bought a 32 oz bottle about 2 years ago, and my experience is the same. A little goes a long ways. I think that 32 oz C&D is going to outlive me....
But the list of great cleaners is not limited to C&D. I've found NeoTac Hook-It to be just as effective, and there are probably a few others that blow away any home grown brew.
Look at the big picture before trying untested/unapproved products.
Post by: Bluff on August 24, 2009, 01:51:55 PM
Post by: jthales on August 24, 2009, 02:27:37 PM
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I used it today on my hands and arms after changing brakes, axles, and ball joints on my wifes van. Simple Green (which I've used alot) doesn't hold a candle to this stuff. Cuts grease as good as anything I've ever seen, yet it's still mild enough to wash your hands with.
Chek out links scotts33 potsed.
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Some animal studies indicate that it produces reproductive problems, such as reduced fertility, death of embryos and birth defects.[2] People exposed to high levels of 2-butoxyethanol for several hours have reported nose and eye irritation, headaches, vomiting and a metallic taste in their mouths. In addition to inhaling 2-butoxyethanol vapor, research has shown that skin can also absorb 2-butoxyethanol vapor from the air, making skin a major pathway of exposure to this chemical. It has been linked to some autoimmune diseases such as chronic fatigue syndrome and autism and some forms of anemia.
Post by: leftyinsnellville on August 24, 2009, 03:11:43 PM
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I used it today on my hands and arms after changing brakes, axles, and ball joints on my wifes van. Simple Green (which I've used alot) doesn't hold a candle to this stuff. Cuts grease as good as anything I've ever seen, yet it's still mild enough to wash your hands with.
Chek out links scotts33 potsed.
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Some animal studies indicate that it produces reproductive problems, such as reduced fertility, death of embryos and birth defects.[2] People exposed to high levels of 2-butoxyethanol for several hours have reported nose and eye irritation, headaches, vomiting and a metallic taste in their mouths. In addition to inhaling 2-butoxyethanol vapor, research has shown that skin can also absorb 2-butoxyethanol vapor from the air, making skin a major pathway of exposure to this chemical. It has been linked to some autoimmune diseases such as chronic fatigue syndrome and autism and some forms of anemia.
That there 2-butoxyethanol is nuttin' to worry about. Won't hurt you a bit...I eat it for breakfast on my eggs.
Of course I am missing various body parts that fell off spontaneously, but it didn't have nuttin' to do with that stuff!
Post by: Skizriz on August 24, 2009, 05:28:31 PM
If only it was NAMED "bowling ball oil eater" that would have never happened.
Why the need to get all wound up.? Try it,don't try it, who cares.I don't. Thought maybe somebody here might be interested in a cheap alternative to the expensive cleaners sold on the market. If you aren't,then move on.
How do you know Simple Green won't hurt a ball ??
What are the ingredients in Valentino's, Ebonite's, Brunswick's cleaners ????
Has anybody ever read the ingredients in any so-called certified "bowling ball cleaners" ???
How do you know they are any different from cheaper cleaners that are commonly found around the house ???
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Post by: Rileybowler on August 24, 2009, 05:38:29 PM
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Post by: JediNit on August 24, 2009, 11:31:29 PM
Post by: golfnutFL on August 25, 2009, 12:11:13 AM
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No one knows for a fact that skizriz cleaner does damage a ball or that is does not damage a ball. Thus what you are saying is not true and what he is saying is not true. You can't warn someone about something if you don't know anything about it...fact.
Post by: charlest on August 25, 2009, 01:27:37 PM
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Bad news, I came home today to find my bowling balls all melted down into little globs of plastic.
If only it was NAMED "bowling ball oil eater" that would have never happened.
Why the need to get all wound up.? Try it,don't try it, who cares.I don't. Thought maybe somebody here might be interested in a cheap alternative to the expensive cleaners sold on the market. If you aren't,then move on.
How do you know Simple Green won't hurt a ball ??
Duh! Because it was tested by the ABC/USBC.
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What are the ingredients in Valentino's, Ebonite's, Brunswick's cleaners ????
Has anybody ever read the ingredients in any so-called certified "bowling ball cleaners" ???
Who cares what's in them Because they were tested by the USBC and approved for use.
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How do you know they are any different from cheaper cleaners that are commonly found around the house ???
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ALl I was suggesting that you not use until you know for sure it's safe.
Pardon me for caring. I should know better by now that ego is so much more important than personal safety, ball safety or money. Do whatever the <bleep> you want. If you don't care, why the <bleep> should I?
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Post by: Skizriz on August 25, 2009, 05:36:09 PM
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ALl I was suggesting that you not use until you know for sure it's safe.
It sure didn't seem like that. Sure seemed like you jumped down my throat without knowing anything about the product, and came off as kind of an @&%. Just because it's not marketed as a bowling ball cleaner, and approved by the USBC (I know nothing about how they test cleaners), you automatically assume the worst.
Wonder who first tried Simple Green before it was approved ?? Windex before it was approved.??? Other cleaners (non-bowling) before they were approved?
Some of us keep our eyes open to lower cost cleaners than what are marketed as "bowling ball cleaners". I was simply passing along one I found that cuts oil far better than Simple Green, and is marketed as safe for plastic, clothing, rubber, etc. , non-toxic, non-acid, water based,FDA approved, and bio-degradable.
All I said was it seems pretty safe to me and I am giving it a try.
I have alot of respect for you on here Charles. You have given me and alot of others here a wealth of information. I always read your posts and replys to learn what I can. You've probably forgotten more than I'll ever know.
I just can't understand why you are so worked up over somebody wanting to try something new. It's not like it's Easy Off Oven Cleaner. I put out a suggestion for a cleaner I found, that's all. Take it or leave it.
If you can point out some type of chemical that will eat away the resin, of otherwise have a harmful effect on a ball, they by all means, I am all ears.
As far as the USBC approval list, not everybody needs to have the USBC's approval to bowl. Some just bowl.
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Post by: jthales on August 25, 2009, 07:55:16 PM
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As far as the USBC approval list, not everybody needs to have the USBC's approval to bowl. Some just bowl.
Fine if al U bolw is pratice. If U bolw USBC then U R saying OK 2 cheet.
Post by: Skizriz on August 25, 2009, 08:10:34 PM
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As far as the USBC approval list, not everybody needs to have the USBC's approval to bowl. Some just bowl.
Fine if al U bolw is pratice. If U bolw USBC then U R saying OK 2 cheet.
Where did anybody say it was ok to cheat ??? I never did.
Not everybody bowls under the USBC sanction. If you don't, then the list means nothing. If you do, then only use what they approve.
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Post by: Skizriz on August 25, 2009, 08:46:47 PM
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I used it today on my hands and arms after changing brakes, axles, and ball joints on my wifes van. Simple Green (which I've used alot) doesn't hold a candle to this stuff. Cuts grease as good as anything I've ever seen, yet it's still mild enough to wash your hands with.
Chek out links scotts33 potsed.
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Some animal studies indicate that it produces reproductive problems, such as reduced fertility, death of embryos and birth defects.[2] People exposed to high levels of 2-butoxyethanol for several hours have reported nose and eye irritation, headaches, vomiting and a metallic taste in their mouths. In addition to inhaling 2-butoxyethanol vapor, research has shown that skin can also absorb 2-butoxyethanol vapor from the air, making skin a major pathway of exposure to this chemical. It has been linked to some autoimmune diseases such as chronic fatigue syndrome and autism and some forms of anemia.
That there 2-butoxyethanol is nuttin' to worry about. Won't hurt you a bit...I eat it for breakfast on my eggs.
Of course I am missing various body parts that fell off spontaneously, but it didn't have nuttin' to do with that stuff!
It's also an ingredient in Simple Green. Yeah the stuff that restaraunts are probably using to clean the counters where they prep your food at.
I'd venture to say it is also in most, if not all, of the "bowling ball" cleaners on the market.
I'd sure like to see a list of ingredients, or a MSDS sheet for them.You never know what you're getting all over your hands.
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Post by: Rileybowler on August 25, 2009, 08:54:35 PM
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Post by: Skizriz on August 25, 2009, 09:12:32 PM
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You say its cheap,how much
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http://www.amazon.com/Oil-Eater-Cleaner-Degreaser-32oz/dp/B000EALHH6
Got me a thinking now. I looked up KEGAL's ball cleaner, they actually have a MSDS sheet for theirs. It's water, alcohol, and the 2-butox stuff. (the same Simple Green mixture everybody loves)
Now I'm wondering if any of the ball cleaners aren't stuff we already have lying around the house. The companies pay USBC to say that bowlers are allowed to use their stuff. You no pay, you no play.
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Post by: scotts33 on August 25, 2009, 09:16:26 PM
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Now I'm wondering if any of the ball cleaners aren't stuff we already have lying around the house. The companies pay USBC to say that bowlers are allowed to use their stuff. You no pay, you no play.
Since, you intimated that it costs to submit a cleaner to USBC....how much is that fee?
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Post by: Skizriz on August 25, 2009, 09:18:04 PM
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Now I'm wondering if any of the ball cleaners aren't stuff we already have lying around the house. The companies pay USBC to say that bowlers are allowed to use their stuff. You no pay, you no play.
Since, you intimated that it costs to submit a cleaner to USBC....how much is that fee?
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This is a quote from the first page. I know nothing about it.
Until someone pays USBC $100.00 to test/approve this product, it can't be used during competition.
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Post by: scotts33 on August 25, 2009, 09:34:06 PM
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This is a quote from the first page. I know nothing about it.
Until someone pays USBC $100.00 to test/approve this product, it can't be used during competition.
Thanks now I see that. I would assume that is the cost to submit a product to test. Small peanuts compared to the big picture.
Look at the PBA registration fees and now that's exorbitant.
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Post by: Skizriz on August 25, 2009, 09:49:51 PM
Whether that $100 is true or not, I have no idea. Just taking a poster at his word.
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Post by: Rocks on August 25, 2009, 10:55:30 PM
Post by: No Revs00300 on August 26, 2009, 09:15:59 PM
Post by: Steven on August 26, 2009, 09:23:11 PM
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YOU WILL NEVER CONVINCE ME THAT SIMPLE GREEN WORKS BETTER THAN CLEAN AND DULL.
Because you're right -- Simple Green doesn't measure up. Anyone who does an honest comparison test will come to the same conclusion.
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Post by: lane1lover on November 10, 2009, 02:36:37 AM