Post by: Brickguy221 on April 15, 2003, 08:23:05 PM
It doesn't matter what ball I put it on and I put it on very generously, there is none to wipe off after 2 minutes, let alone 20 minutes. For example, I had my AMF Angle Evolution "Extra" refinished and sanded to 800 by the Pro Shop the other day plus had them also polish it. I took the ball home and put a coat of Elixir on it. Within two minutes the ball had completely soaked it all up. I waited 20 minutes per the directions (of coarse there was none to wipe off) and applied a second coat. Two minutes later, ball completely dry. Waited another 20 minutes and etc. etc. untill I had 4 coats on it. The next day I added a 5th coat and still same results. I think I could have used the whole bottle of Elixir on it and the ball would still have drank more. So....to sum it up, why did the ball continue to drink all I would give it? If the ball continued to "gulp" the Elixir, then it would appear that it isn't sealing the ball off to keep it from "gulping" oil also.
Can this Elixir really be working and doing what it is supposed to do?
Post by: mumzie on April 16, 2003, 12:14:38 PM
I like what the elixer does for the oil pick up problem - but it took away the awesome ball reaction from the one piece of equipment I put it on - took about 6 boards of finish off the ball. I took the elixer off the ball, and am happy again.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on April 16, 2003, 12:35:59 PM
I don't think it is effecting the hook as it appears the ball is drinking this stuff plumb down to the core.
Post by: livespive on April 16, 2003, 01:09:05 PM
Post by: mumzie on April 16, 2003, 01:27:10 PM
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One advantage of bowling over golf
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Post by: Doc Hollywood on April 16, 2003, 02:06:12 PM
mumzie - What you are experiencing is a by product of the Elixir. Most people take the coverstock down one notch and reapply the Elixir and they are back to where they started with having the same reaction and all the oil protecting qualities of the Elixir.
For more info check out the website or message me here.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on April 16, 2003, 05:11:44 PM
2. Doc, are you saying that since the Elixir doesn't seal the ball, but bonds to the coverstock microscopally, that it won't let the oil let get into the coverstock? In other words, when Elixir is applied, the ball will drink all I put on, but will resist and not drink the drink oil? Note....I reapply Elixir to all my balls every 20-25 games, but this Angle Extra ball is the worse about soaking up the Elixir. Note....it takes my Pearl balls about 4-5 minutes to soak up the Elixir to where they are completely dry. They too will drink all I put on, but at a slower rate. Of coarse Pearls don't soak up much oil anyhow even without Elixir. For example, I had a Trauma Recovery that had 125-150 games on it. No Elixir applied on this ball. I set it out in the sun (which is a no-no) last summer for an hr. and hardly any oil at all came out of it.
3. Mumzie- Docs statement about taking the ball down a notch is probably why the total of 5 coats of Elixir didn't effect the performance of the Evolution Extra as it comes sanded at 1500 and Dull and I took it down to 800 before polishing it and applying the Elixir. That is the reason I took it down as I was afraid that it might effect the balls performance. Especially since I was going to polish it as polished balls don't always work well for me with my bowling style/release.
Post by: Doc Hollywood on April 16, 2003, 08:23:38 PM
I have tested this coverstock and it does soak up the Elixir but it will seal the pores after 3 coats. I have done the oil drop test to see if it resists the oil and it does.
Reapply the Elixir and test it out by doing the oil drop test and keep applying until it passes. Just be sure to give at least 1 hour before coats.
I always tell people to throw the ball to see what the reaction is like first before taking it down a notch.
As there is no way to see what conditions you the bowler are throwing on and with what ball you have and what surface and what your axis rotation, rev rate and axis tilt and track area are I can only give you bowlers estimates of what I have seen from my experience of the vast majority of bowlers out there.
Most of the time when bowlers are experiencing problems with the Elixir it is because of improper cleaning techniques prior to application, improper application techniques and over use use of abrasive cleaners.
As I state time and time again just wiping the ball down in between frames should be enough to take care of the ball.
Cleaning can be done with a mild soap solution.
Please message me with your difficult problems and let me try to help you all.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on April 16, 2003, 08:56:28 PM
Unless I hear different from you, I will assume that with the base 5 coats that I put on it, that one coat every 20-25 games should be satisfactory from now on, unless I were to change the coverstock.
Thanks for the explaination. The "Gortex" was a good example in understanding how it works.
Post by: Doc Hollywood on April 17, 2003, 07:18:49 AM
On some of my bowling balls I have gotten over 40 games before the need to reapply.
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Post by: 10 In The Pit on April 17, 2003, 09:17:01 PM
Post by: Brickguy221 on April 18, 2003, 07:59:10 AM
Post by: Doc Hollywood on April 18, 2003, 02:11:36 PM
10ITP knows quite a bit about the Elixir and his advice is pretty much right on to what I have said before. He is a good spokemodel.
Now only if I had a gal like Aria Giovonni marketing my Elixir.
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Post by: mumzie on April 18, 2003, 03:20:24 PM
and the Elixer really DOES keep the ball from soaking up the oil. I put it on the most notorious oil soaker I had, and it kept the absorbsion to nothing.
My spinner should be here in a week or so - at that time, I will take the ball back down, and put elixer on it again.
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One advantage of bowling over golf
is that you seldom lose the ball.
Post by: Doc Hollywood on April 19, 2003, 07:45:26 AM
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Post by: 10 In The Pit on April 19, 2003, 05:32:27 PM
Evidently we must think alike! In fact, that is the first time I have seen you mention to test in the track, although I have seen you mention the oil drop test on numerous occasions. Or, my old age and senility is starting to show.....I've almost caught up with Sawbones in the number of years that I've been stealing oxygen from the atmosphere
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Post by: star on April 23, 2003, 04:19:24 AM
When its league time we bowl and my ball is always dry no oil at all on the surface.
All of the, others you can feel the oil on them after a game or so. Its like they have another problem that I never even have to think about.
I only ever put 2 coats on with my little spray bottle and rub it in with my finger. I used to worry wether I had enough on, but you can tell as soon as you bowl the first time.
Another thing I find is after about 20 games with a dull surface you can tell that you need a re-do because the surface seems to take on a polished effect.
So its on the spinner and a little scotchbrite and 2 coats of the elixer and away you go again.
By the way I use a Shock Trauma, which Ive been told is very prone to the dying act. Well Ive got almost 200 games on it and it still seems to be as good as it was when I started using it.
Doc youre a star, sorry no thats me, well youre preeeeety goooood anyhow.
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Post by: chun914 on April 23, 2003, 07:12:18 AM
until now., are there any coverstock doesn't work with elixir?
Post by: Scratch on April 23, 2003, 07:36:06 AM
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Post by: Doc Hollywood on April 23, 2003, 07:47:09 AM
Are you a 914 owner? Just curious as I see the 914 in your name.
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Post by: chun914 on April 23, 2003, 08:14:01 AM
i've only two bottles right now, afraid it will used up so soon. it takes a long time to ship from US to HK.... >.<
Post by: Doc Hollywood on April 23, 2003, 09:54:36 AM
When you get down to half a bottle message me and then let me get the order ready and then send the money. It should only take a couple weeks to get there.
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Doc
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DOC'S MAGIC BOWLING BALL ELIXIR
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Post by: chun914 on April 29, 2003, 07:37:27 AM
1 more stupid question..
for 1 coat ? do it half by half or just rub it over all the ball then let it dry on a ball cup ?
i'm confusing how to get one coat evenly on the ball....
Post by: Doc Hollywood on April 29, 2003, 08:34:07 AM
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Post by: charlest on April 29, 2003, 09:19:52 AM
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Chun914 - We have tested the Elixir on both coverstocks. You can just rub the Elixir on the ball and then place it in a ball cup to dry or just rest the ball on a hard surface over the thumb hole.
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Suggestion:
If you rest the ball in/on a ball cup, place a paper towel on the cup, then place the ball, holes down on the paper towel. Then apply the Elixir. When I did not use the paper towel and I accidentally applied a little too much Elixir, the Elixir flowed to the rim of the cup and left an un-removable whitish ring where the rim met the ball's surface. It could only be removed by sanding. The towel, which can be used to wipe off the dry normal residue, prevented that unsightly (and worrisome) ring. It probably did no actual harm.
Post by: BT on May 11, 2003, 08:04:24 AM
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