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lilpossum1

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surface and polish for the burn
« on: July 09, 2014, 11:54:56 PM »
I am currently trying to throw my Misfit Pearl on the burn at 2000+ (black magic polish?) I am still having troubles with it burning up. I can move out to between the five and ten board and get some hit, but I have absolutely no area. I don't have enough recovery to move left, and my primal rage burns up if I switch to it and move left. I was wondering if I should try 4000+ this polish, or if there was something else I could try? A new polish to try, or really anything besides buying a new ball or redrilling what I have.

 

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Re: surface and polish for the burn
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2014, 06:10:21 AM »
You seem to have 2 problems here.
1. The Yellow Misfit is for very light oil and the Primal Rage is for medium to medium-heavy oil. You could fit at least 2 balls between those two to make an arsenal.

2. I'm not sure if any surface treatment will allow the Primal to be one step up from the Yellow Misfit.

As for area, I suspect the Yellow is too weak to allow you inside pull area, while it may give you swing area (if you miss to the outside). On the other hand the Primal would probably handle inside pull area, but is more than likely too strong for the amount of dry you are seeing on the outside.

If you don't want to buy another new or used ball, you could try a high gloss polish on the Primal after sanding it very fine (4000 grit) or you could try hazing the Yellow Misfit lightly with a 4000 grit damp pad by hand to allow it to better handle the inside oil.  It is a mild enough ball that you should, theoretically still get plenty of length with it hazed (just enough to remove most of the shine; don't sand it fully to 4000 grit until the hazing doesn't seem to be enough surface.).

I'd suggest playing with the surface of the Misfit, as that will be more easily restored to the stock surface than the Motiv, which is trickier to get back to stock.

This process of adjusting the surface is one of finesse and trial and error. You're the best one to determine how far to go, by watching the ball reaction and tracking what changes you made. ALso don't forget NOT to jump to conclusions, as there are lots of variables, more so during the summer: like the way the lanes are oiled, the humidity and A/C, and just the way you feel while bowling can all change the ball's reaction. The summer is usually more subject to changes like these than during the winter. At least II have found that to be true.
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LuckyLefty

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Re: surface and polish for the burn
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2014, 07:34:25 AM »
This sounds so interesting.  Much like a problem in my house.  AND you haven't mentioned layout....

I bowl in a house that has slop downlane and it moves down all night!

YET to the side there is no oil and on board 10 there is a deep pile of it!  Yet when I go to a classic blended top hat, no problem.

Recently went to a guy noted as one of the best drillers in the country.
He had talked to me before and I did a preliminary test.

He told me to try taking a strong ball diff and moving the pin between 5 1/2 and 6 on this strong  ball! Distance to VAL about 2 3/4 pin over bridge.  Stuff I had never really done.  My normal strong ball drilling in this house was 5 1/4 pin to pap but only 1.5 inches from the VAL.  This drilling forced me inside and has lacked carry!

First ball and first impression.  Wow a strong diff Assymetrical with the pin over the bridge (5 3/4 pin to pap for me).

This ball allowed me to move all the way to 7 or 8 left for this lefty and easily gave me the push down the extreme dry of the outside 10 area of this house that I had the slight point attack angle this house loves from the left.  Very brief test.  Loving it.

Took a couple of other syms and one with a short pin out he put pin under middle about 6 inch pin to pap for me.  He says this will win for me.  We will see, untested yet.

The above first layout on first blush has turned a testy shot into what in a very limited test looks like a blended top hat layup for me!  Wow!

Final thought.  I had been using balls like your Misfit drilled stronger like 4 1/2 pin to pap and had just lacked hit or any area in  this house.  I had also tried 2 inch pin to paps to conquer the over/under but this house seems to  requires a strong quick response to friction and these classic over/under solutions are just duds for me on this shot, but have been big winners at other house with sparky backends.

I will get back with the pin under results.  Hope this helps.

Regards,

Luckylefty
« Last Edit: July 10, 2014, 07:48:18 AM by LuckyLefty »
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lilpossum1

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Re: surface and polish for the burn
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2014, 09:01:40 AM »
For me, my primal rage, since I got it, has been my main ball, and I have been able to stay with it all night. The last three weeks, I think they changed the shot on the summer league. My scores have dropped and I have had to start a little further left than I usually do. Others seem to be coming around to this new shot. Last week, somebody shot 300, and 4 other people shot 680+ with a 786. The league is 44 people with 2 people 200+ and 3 people on the 190's for average. Another 300 was shot last night with a different person well over 700. Then part of the way through the second game, my rage seems to be burning up, so I switch to the misfit Pearl. It seems to do a bit better, but starts burning up by the end of the third game, and forget any games after league. I may have to change surface and loft a bit.
(This may not flow well. I added stuff to the middle after I finished)
I don't know the layouts. The rage is layed out to roll a little earlier for me and works well. The misfit I had played out however he thought would work best on more burnt lanes, and the pin is in the middle finger.

charlest

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Re: surface and polish for the burn
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2014, 11:04:11 AM »
For me, my primal rage, since I got it, has been my main ball, and I have been able to stay with it all night. The last three weeks, I think they changed the shot on the summer league. My scores have dropped and I have had to start a little further left than I usually do. Others seem to be coming around to this new shot. Last week, somebody shot 300, and 4 other people shot 680+ with a 786. The league is 44 people with 2 people 200+ and 3 people on the 190's for average. Another 300 was shot last night with a different person well over 700. Then part of the way through the second game, my rage seems to be burning up, so I switch to the misfit Pearl. It seems to do a bit better, but starts burning up by the end of the third game, and forget any games after league. I may have to change surface and loft a bit.
(This may not flow well. I added stuff to the middle after I finished)
I don't know the layouts. The rage is layed out to roll a little earlier for me and works well. The misfit I had played out however he thought would work best on more burnt lanes, and the pin is in the middle finger.

I'd suggest not redrilling any balls in your initial search for a ball reaction.

If you had been using the Primal until the 3rd game, a finer grit (like 4000) under a high gloss polish could help you.

However, if you are now regularly seeing so much dry by the 3rd game that the Yellow Pearl Misfit is hooking early, that is a different scenario. The Yellow Pearl normally has a lot of backend on the dry, have you tried just moving deeper to find more head oil?

You did not say how deep you were playing.

If you have to find a ball that handles more dry than the Yellow Pearl Misfit, you probably have to start looking at polished urethanes like the Storm SuperNatural.
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Re: surface and polish for the burn
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2014, 12:01:01 PM »
I generally start out throwing around 11-12 at the arrows ad 8-10 range at the breakpoint.  5 board is oob unless you want to hit the 10 pin. By the time I put away the primal rage, I am 15 at the arrows, and am throwing where the big boys have burnt the lane. I can come out of the ball with more and over end rotation, and it seems to hit a little better at the end of the night. I have tried moving in to the center arrow and keeping tight on the head, and could strike, but didn't like the look I had

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Re: surface and polish for the burn
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2014, 12:59:41 PM »
I generally start out throwing around 11-12 at the arrows ad 8-10 range at the breakpoint.  5 board is oob unless you want to hit the 10 pin. By the time I put away the primal rage, I am 15 at the arrows, and am throwing where the big boys have burnt the lane. I can come out of the ball with more and over end rotation, and it seems to hit a little better at the end of the night. I have tried moving in to the center arrow and keeping tight on the head, and could strike, but didn't like the look I had

And how about the Yellow Misfit?
Is it now the ball to be used or was that only a temporary thing?

If the Primal is still the ball you need and you can't get any deeper due to its being burned up, then you need another ball or try the 4000 grit + a high gloss shine on the Primal.
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Re: surface and polish for the burn
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2014, 01:07:33 PM »
The misfit is around 3-4 boards right at the arrows when I bring it out. It works at first,but not amazingly well. I am thinking 4000+ high gloss will work on it, but I may also take my mastermind out of the bag and put in my dad's root grip grenade