Post by: jjweb on August 07, 2007, 03:32:21 AM
Thanks
Post by: J_Mac on August 07, 2007, 11:37:36 AM
Rough Buff is a compound finish, but if you use too much or use it for too long on a spinner the ball will look like it was polished.
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Post by: jjweb on August 07, 2007, 11:42:09 AM
Post by: J_Mac on August 07, 2007, 11:46:57 AM
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So the Rough Buff is like a matte finish?
Yes, Ric Hamlin has stated that the OOB Rough Buff finish that comes from the factory is like 2000 abralon.
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Post by: jjweb on August 07, 2007, 11:47:31 AM
Post by: shelley on August 07, 2007, 11:54:00 AM
It's comparable to a 2000-grit sanding in appearance. Almost shiny but not quite.
SH
Post by: J_Mac on August 07, 2007, 12:34:04 PM
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RB is a compound finish. In appearance, it's like a ball that's got a high gloss polish (like Brunswick's HG or Ebonite's FF), then very lightly sanded. The sanding just takes a little of the shine off without actually removing the polish.
It's comparable to a 2000-grit sanding in appearance. Almost shiny but not quite.
SH
Gee, how many people have me on ignore anyhow?
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Post by: jjweb on August 07, 2007, 12:36:06 PM
I went ahead and bought both the Brunswick High Gloss and Rough Buff.
Thanks again!
Post by: Dead Flush on August 07, 2007, 12:38:38 PM
Post by: J_Mac on August 07, 2007, 12:47:55 PM
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Ebonites Matte Finish is around 1200 grit..fyi..
Looks like the Matte Finish is gone...
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Post by: shelley on August 07, 2007, 12:49:35 PM
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Gee, how many people have me on ignore anyhow?
Just not paying attention.
SH
Post by: jjweb on August 07, 2007, 01:12:34 PM
Post by: charlest on August 07, 2007, 09:44:34 PM
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So the Rough Buff is like a matte finish?
Yes, Ric Hamlin has stated that the OOB Rough Buff finish that comes from the factory is like 2000 abralon.
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Sorry. I'd like to make addition to prevent any possibility of misintepreting j_mac's statement
All Brunswick balls that are finished with Rough Buff are first sanded to 220 grit; then RB is applied. However, and this is very important, if you sand the ball to 320 or 400 or 600 or any higher grit and then apply RB, the final finish will be much smoother than that 2000 grit approximation. And the ball will skid much further and hook less at the backend, thus handling less oil.
RB is a rubbing compound; as such it has abrasives in it.It will make whatever base upon which it is applied much finer and smoother (higher grit number).
You can't just use it on any surface and get the equivalent of 2000 grit matte finish. There is no magic in RB. The way you apply it PLUS what you apply it to both go into determining what the finish is.
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Edited on 8/7/2007 10:50 PM
Post by: Laybzz74 on August 07, 2007, 09:46:52 PM
To you have all this stuff written down ... or do you know it all "off the top of your head" ??? OMG, Man !!!
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Post by: J_Mac on August 07, 2007, 10:15:34 PM
Figured I was pretty clear with my statement.
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Post by: charlest on August 07, 2007, 10:37:28 PM
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C'mon Jeff... I was making a direct comparison to the OOB Rough Buff finish that is the standard procedure from the factory. I wasn't comparing any other underlying initial grit to the 2000 abralon finish.
Figured I was pretty clear with my statement.
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SOrry. Given what I have seen on here, others may not understand what you're implying. I'd rather err on the side of details and have those who DO know slough it off, while those who think that just because there are some numbers on a jar of polish that no matter how you apply that polish, it produces only that level of polish.
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Post by: charlest on August 07, 2007, 10:38:04 PM
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Jeff,
To you have all this stuff written down ... or do you know it all "off the top of your head" ??? OMG, Man !!!
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written down??
No.
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Post by: Laybzz74 on August 07, 2007, 11:00:27 PM
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Post by: jjweb on August 07, 2007, 11:49:41 PM
To my understanding, RB adds length to the ball, but reacts a little earlier on the lane than the High Gloss Polish. Correct?
I bought a quart of RB and High Gloss; I can always experiment and see what works best.
Post by: charlest on August 08, 2007, 03:24:57 AM
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I know that they are both polishes, but they don't overlap do they? Say I took my Cobalt Pearl, applied a 500 grit surface base and finished it with RB, instead of HG, would the end result be the same then?
To my understanding, RB adds length to the ball, but reacts a little earlier on the lane than the High Gloss Polish. Correct?
I bought a quart of RB and High Gloss; I can always experiment and see what works best.
No, they are NOT both polishes. Please re-read what I wrote above. They do different things to balls, and RB does not, by definition, add length to a ball.
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Post by: dizzyfugu on August 08, 2007, 07:01:26 AM
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All Brunswick balls that are finished with Rough Buff are first sanded to 220 grit; then RB is applied. However, and this is very important, if you sand the ball to 320 or 400 or 600 or any higher grit and then apply RB, the final finish will be much smoother than that 2000 grit approximation. And the ball will skid much further and hook less at the backend, thus handling less oil.
RB is a rubbing compound; as such it has abrasives in it.It will make whatever base upon which it is applied much finer and smoother (higher grit number).
You can't just use it on any surface and get the equivalent of 2000 grit matte finish. There is no magic in RB. The way you apply it PLUS what you apply it to both go into determining what the finish is.
Listen to the wise man! Absolutely correct. RB is pretty abrasive and needs some coarse base grit to be useful - unless you want an all skid ball! With less than 400 grit base, you might get a semi-matte, slightly glossy ball, but the compound will have cluttered the surface and remarkably reduce grip.
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Post by: jjweb on August 08, 2007, 07:43:26 AM
Thanks!
Post by: charlest on August 08, 2007, 10:34:38 AM
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charlest - Duh, I get it. I must have taken a stupid pill yesterday or something.
no problem; we all read too fast and make unwarranted assumptions sometimes. I plead guilty far too often to suit myself.
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Post by: Mark T. Trgovac on September 06, 2007, 03:42:02 AM
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The stuff Jeff knew was all info I was going to state until I got to his post. Everyone can get this info, you just have to ask questions to the right people.
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