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lefty50

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Sanding = temporary ball death
« on: September 26, 2019, 01:35:41 PM »
I usually know better than to post this type of question, but I am troubled by what I see and interested in ideas.

Reminder, low-rev lefty.

I have a spinner, but any time I sand a ball, any ball, it's toast for 2-3 games (IMHO until it gets back to lane shine). If I use a high grit, it slides past. If I use a low grit, it labors. In all cases, for all pressures, grits  and lane conditions (only bowling 2 places though), the results are always negative for the first few games. I know all the variables and their impact, but still......

Possible answers I've come up with are "you're always using too much pressure, so it's always too high until it gets back to lane shine"... things like that.

I don't know how else to express this...
Thoughts?

 

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Re: Sanding = temporary ball death
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2019, 02:15:40 PM »
I'm assuming you're always using a spinner? I like just touching up surface by hand most of the time now unless I need to do a full resurface.
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Re: Sanding = temporary ball death
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2019, 03:34:45 PM »
I have noticed the same thing some what but goes away much quicker (few shadow balls in practice usually) for me.  Advice to touch it up by hand above does generally cause less of an issue now I think about it.  Usually do it anyway by hand so less wear on the ball long term.
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Re: Sanding = temporary ball death
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2019, 04:06:12 PM »
I can think of a few times I've touched up by hand at the lanes and will say it seemed to be a better result, but it didn't last more than a few frames, which I attributed to being a less efficient process. I'll go back and try that a few more times, perhaps doing it for a longer period with focus on how long it lasts....

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Re: Sanding = temporary ball death
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2019, 06:28:11 PM »
It's surface vs lane shine and what reaction your ball sees on the lane vs what you can physically see the ball doing.

With surface the ball typically slows down sooner and has a smoother response to friction.  Great for when you encounter oil or flying backends.

For most bowlers when the ball doesn't jump down lane they see it as less hook because they can't physically see what the ball is doing in the front half of the lane. The ball can cover more total boards and look like less hook compared to the ball that hooks less and does it all down lane.
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Re: Sanding = temporary ball death
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2019, 09:12:43 PM »
Since lane shine was mentioned:

The Truth WHY Your Bowling Ball Changes Performance | WHAT to do about it

This is Ron Hickland talking about lane shine.

Basically he says the main cause of  "lane shine" is not so much the lane (though that does contribute to it some), But everything else the ball is rubbing against after it leaves the lane surface, Such as the ball return system etc..

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Re: Sanding = temporary ball death
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2019, 07:16:16 PM »
Why are you sanding it though?  Because it came sanded?  If the ball keeps "dying," i.e. burning up when you sand it, why sand it??
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Re: Sanding = temporary ball death
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2019, 10:57:26 PM »
For me at least, as a low rev lefty, I pretty much always see more oil and need to keep a fresh surface. Isn't conventional "science" from the brainiacs telling us that a ball lane shines to 4K within 3-5 games? Even you Luke have mentioned balls needing to be freshened, so for me on the left, it's adifferent world, and not a better one. That's why.

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Re: Sanding = temporary ball death
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2019, 01:47:14 PM »
What grits are you using, how many sides are you doing, using sandpaper or abralon or another surface pad, using water or dry, how much pressure, what is the desired result you are trying to get by using surface?

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Re: Sanding = temporary ball death
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2019, 11:28:08 AM »
Some of this makes sense, and some of it doesn't.  If the ball always burns up when you sand it, this is telling you that even if you do need a fresh surface, the surface you're applying is too much.  When you sand, you also remove the track as well, the ball DOES wear small flat spots in the track area which will increase surface area in contact with the lane, and that's erased when you freshen the cover if you do much more than a light hit with 3000 or 4000.  SOME surface is usually a good idea on the left side of the lane because of how much flatter the left side plays, but I always had a lot of shiny stuff work well too because you still have a decent amount of room on a house shot and you can play closer to the gutter than a righty and keep your angles closed.  Don't forget I've got 5ish years under my belt as a lefty too, I understand the left side of the lane.  Also, unless the pattern is asymmetric, you'll always see more motion on the left side of the lane than a righty will, backends are quite a bit quicker and you can play straighter.  I could always use bigger equipment on the right side of the lane than the left despite having a lower rev rate lefty just because there's more MOTION on the left side of the lane.  Righties usually have to use bigger equipment because playing right of 8 isn't really an option, and definitely isn't after the first 6 frames of game 1 . .

If you can't create motion and can't use something shiny on the left side of the lane. . that raises pretty big questions for me.  I can understand using a bit of surface to tame down your shapes, and yeah you do need to freshen a cover occasionally, but this still sounds a little off to me. 

For me at least, as a low rev lefty, I pretty much always see more oil and need to keep a fresh surface. Isn't conventional "science" from the brainiacs telling us that a ball lane shines to 4K within 3-5 games? Even you Luke have mentioned balls needing to be freshened, so for me on the left, it's adifferent world, and not a better one. That's why.
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