Post by: stopncrank on January 18, 2012, 06:25:31 AM
Anybody used this cleaner? Does it remove polish?
Also, I've heard some shop guys say if you used it with a spinner it will add some gloss to the surface over time, is this true?
Any thoughts on this stuff good or bad, let's hear it cause I want to try some but wanna know what im getting into as well.
thanks!
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Post by: JohnP on January 19, 2012, 10:52:31 AM
Post by: sabman on January 31, 2012, 02:25:46 AM
Post by: charlest on January 31, 2012, 08:14:42 AM
To be sure, also try it the other way: clean with Tac-Up first, then clean with Remedy.
Most cleaners do a much better job, if you let them sit for 30 seconds before wiping them off. 30 seconds doesn't sound like much, but it's an eternity when you're wanting to clean the ball and get back home.
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Post by: JJ on January 31, 2012, 08:34:13 AM
I have used it with pretty good results. It seems to do a good job at removing dirt and belt marks. However it doesn't remove the oil rings on the balls as good as Lane Masters cleaner. I did as the person above and cleaned the balls with Tac Up first and the did it again with Lane Masters. Biggest benefit is that you can use Tac Up during league. It has NOT shinned up my dull balls when using on the spinner. I agree with Charles to let any cleaner set for 30 seconds before wiping the ball with a microfiber towel. It DOES NOT remove polish.
JJ
Edited by JJ on 1/31/2012 at 9:38 AM
Edited by JJ on 1/31/2012 at 9:39 AM
Post by: Brickguy221 on January 31, 2012, 09:36:40 AM
First let me say that I love Remedy RX.
Now, I might want to try Tac-Up and compare, so where can I purchase this Tac-Up as I haven't heard of it?
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Post by: bpanes on January 31, 2012, 12:20:06 PM
Post by: Medichal on January 31, 2012, 12:50:13 PM
Post by: Brickguy221 on January 31, 2012, 03:03:21 PM
Thanks bpanes....
I placed an order for an 8 oz bottle just now. They have a good price on a 32 oz bottle at the moment, ($28 shipped) but I want to try 8 oz first and see how good it is.
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Post by: sabman on February 03, 2012, 04:31:35 AM
I got to repeat the same test I mentioned earlier. I used Remedy RX to clean the ball I used in league as vigorously as I could by hand, and was very liberal with the cleaner. I let it sit for a bit on the coverstock as well. Then later I sprayed Tac Up on one side of the ball and cleaned it with my microfiber towel drawing a little bit more dirt. I repeated on the other side, this time with a white paper towel. Here's a pic of what it looked like Paper Towel Link. As you can see it's just a little bit more dirt. Nothing too miraculous.
It seems to me that the formula of Tac Up is slightly more aggressive than Remedy RX. I'm not sure which one is "better" overall though. I've used Tac Up for awhile and my dull balls definitely would develop some shine to them, but from what I've read here, the during bowling cleaners don't remove lane shine. The odor on Remedy RX is more pleasant than Tac Up which kind of reminds me of Windex (even though I haven't been around that in a while). Maybe ammonia is part of the formula. The odor is nowhere near as strong as Lane Masters though (which seems to just stay on my balls and in my bag). Another thing I noted is that the Remedy RX seems to be a little more viscous than the Tac Up, a difference which is apparent when trying to wipe both off with a microfiber towel.
BTW, I have tried to clean balls with Remedy RX after using Tac Up on them. It didn't get anything. But, Remedy RX from what I've seen so far seems to be a great "during bowling" cleaner. Plus, I have had a great run in league since I bought it, so I'm not in a hurry to go get another bottle of Tac Up to replace the one that's running out. :)
Edited by sabman on 2/3/2012 at 5:34 AM
Post by: Brickguy221 on February 06, 2012, 08:53:35 PM
My Tac Up arrived today. I went to the lanes and practiced 5 games using 2 different balls. When done, I cleaned the 2 balls with the Tac up and then re-cleaned them with Black Magic Ultimate Rejuvenator and got a small amount of more dirt off the balls.
I will reverse the procedure the next time and then do likewise with the Remedy RX and Tac Up the following 2 times and see how it goes.
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Post by: Doug Sterner on February 06, 2012, 09:23:20 PM
I have been using Tac Up in the shop for about 4 months now. I had been stocking Kegel Revive in the shop since we started using Prodigy and Navigate lane oils and afterall, who should know how better to get their oil off a bowling ball than the company who makes the oil right???? Well I am a firm believer in Revive...great stuff at a great price. It cleans very well and is easy to get.
The Tac Up seems to be every bit as good as Revive. My personal equipment continues to perform well and not need excessive maintenance.....
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Post by: Brickguy221 on February 08, 2012, 07:27:31 AM
First test ... Used Tac Up first and followed behind it with Black Magic Ultimate Rejuvenator
Results ..... Got more dirt and oil (not a lot but some) off ball with the Rejuvenator
Second test ... Used Black Magic Ultimate Rejuvenator first and followed behind it with Tac Up
Results ......... White towel stayed when followed up withTac Up, so the Rejuvenator removed all dirt and oil on first cleaning.
Third test will be done using Remedy RX vs Tac Up
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Post by: storm making it rain on February 08, 2012, 07:59:01 AM
This cleaner is great IMO....
Long story short I bowl in a center that gives bad belt marks (black crud) each week. I recently drilled up a Frantic and used it there once (between the ball colors and the sludge) it was a bad combination. The ball was literally black at the end of 3 games of league.
Put the ball on my spinner and used Tac Up on it and it looks brand new again. The one downfall IMO is it does have a stronger smell than any other cleaner I've used before. But for the results i'll take it.
As for removing the polish it didnt't appear to change the oob cover of the Frantic at all.
Post by: sabman on February 08, 2012, 08:04:35 AM
I might just go with a solvent based cleaner anyway since I never really use cleaner during league. I tried Lane Masters, but I don't like it for other reasons than its cleaning ability. The strong odor seems to stay on my equipment and in my bag. It also seems evaporate (or get absorbed) so quickly when I take my microfiber towel to it.
I had my friend buy Hook-It when he recently asked which to get (between Power Wash and Hook-it). That seemed like a no brainer. I like that it has a more pleasant odor, and doesn't disappear so quickly. When my friend first used it, it seemed to leave a slight residue, but he barely wiped (and the instructions warn about this saying to continue rubbing with a towel to remove it). It seems to do a very good job cleaning though.
Edited by sabman on 2/8/2012 at 9:06 AM
Post by: charlest on February 08, 2012, 09:00:11 AM
sabman,
I'd make 2 suggestions, well, 3 really.
1. Wait til Brickguy reports back on his next test.
2. Don't dismiss Remedy so soon. I tried another experiment with it recently - TIME. I know we're all pretty impatient and want results soon. I'm no different. With most of these cleaners, we should really let it sit on the dirt for a short while. Well, my short while is usually less than 5 seconds. Recently I tried patience - 30 seconds. I ws surprised to find it, a water based cleaner approved for use DURING bowling, to really remove a lot of oil rings embedded in the ball that usually takes Hook-It or
Clean and Dull to remove. It's still hard to wait that 30 seconds, especially in the bowling center, but try it. It works.
3. Be careful with Hook-It. I used it on on a ball I was finished with using during a league (I used another ball) and cleaned the first one with Hook-It. I accidentally got some on my hands. It made my hands & fingers as tacky as it made the ball surface. Good thing I had some alcohol with me to clean my hands. I would never have gotten my thumb out of the ball otherwise. They also say to NOT store a cloth used to clean off Hook-It near your bowling supplies. Like, REALLY!!! Take that to the bank!
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Post by: Doug Sterner on February 08, 2012, 09:16:12 PM
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Post by: Brickguy221 on February 15, 2012, 07:25:56 PM
Update on testing the ball cleaners of Valentino's Remedy RX, Tac Up, and Black Magic Ultimate Rejuvenator....
First test ... Used Tac Up first and followed behind it with Black Magic Ultimate Rejuvenator
Results ..... Got more dirt and oil (not a lot but some) off ball with the Rejuvenator
Second test ... Used Black Magic Ultimate Rejuvenator first and followed behind it with Tac Up
Results ......... White towel stayed clean when followed up withTac Up, so the Rejuvenator removed all dirt and oil on first cleaning.
Third test ........Used Remedy RX first and followed behind it with Tac Up
Results ...........Got a wee bit more dirt/oil off ball when followed behind it with Tac Up, but ever so slight though
Fourth test ......Used Tac Up first and followed up with Remedy RX
Results ...........Got a very-very minimal amount of dirt/oil off ball when followed behind it with Remedy RX, but as in test #3, it was ever so slight
Summary ..... The Black Magic Ultimate Rejuvenator cleaned the balls the first time, so it is better than Remedy RX and Tac Up.
Remedy RX and Tac Up are basically even in their cleaning abilities, but a bit below Rejuvenator
I am going to run the tests one more time and if any change, I will post it. If no change, I will not post further.
However due to my wife having major surgery next Monday and will be hospitalized for a week - 10 days and then needing care at home, I will not be bowling after this Friday for a while, so it could be a while before I do any more testing.
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Post by: sabman on February 16, 2012, 06:20:41 PM
^ - Thanks for the update. If I didn't run out of Tac Up, I probably could have tried it a little more as the first cleaner, but I think at the end of the day Remedy RX and Tac Up are pretty close. Going to have to try Black Magic sometime.
charlest, I'm using Remedy RX as you advised with good results. I wouldn't give up on it so easily. I trust a lot of the opinions on it that it's one of the best "approved for use during bowing" cleaners.
Edited by sabman on 2/16/2012 at 7:23 PM
Post by: roylay on March 02, 2012, 09:25:01 PM
I make and sell my own cleaners, USBC approved anytime. I recently gave a sample of each to a local Pro Shop. When I checked back with him, he ordered 24 bottles of my Front 9, and 2 of my Late Shift. He said he was going to sell out of the Tack up. Don't know if he plans to stop selling it, but I expect he has people using it that may not want to switch.
Some of you mentioned the smell of some of the cleaners. My guess would be, that they are prety mild compared to my Front 9.
Edit: BTW Brick, still praying for your wife, and hoping for a good outcome.
Edited by roylay on 3/2/2012 at 8:28 PM
Post by: charlest on March 02, 2012, 10:31:10 PM
It might have been, Doug. I don't recall, but I don't worry in any case.
I always use all cleaners by hand when they're dirty so none of them gets close to my inserts.
The only time I use a cleaner on a spinner is after I've sanded a ball and want to clean all the sanded residue off. And then I use a milder, water based cleaner.
"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Post by: charlest on March 02, 2012, 10:44:34 PM
Sabman,
I just got some Tac-Up and have been trying it. I'm always interested in learning something new.
I might have mentioned this before but, except for maybe the super cleaners, like Hook-It, Lanemasters cleaner, and Clean and Dull, it is very possible that when using any water-based cleaner after using another water-based cleaner, that the 2nd will always remove more dirt if only because you're doing more cleaning with more dirt remover. I don't know if any one has yet found a detergent that mixes with water that will cleaner better than one of the super-cleaners, whatever they may have in them.
That said, I haven't yet found one that is better than Remedy Rx, that includes Tac-Up, Liquid Nitro, Knock-Out, Zapp-It, Rejuvenator, Roy's Front 9 or Late Shift, Motiv's Power Gel Clean, Brunswick's Remove-all (aka Windex) and Simple Green. Several of them are as good and I use them also.
"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Post by: charlest on March 02, 2012, 11:02:31 PM
Regarding the smell of any of these cleaner: do not trust your nose to tell you if it's safe or not.
I just got the MSDS for Tac-Up and it says this regarding the vapors:
"If mists/vapors are not adequately controlled by local ventilation, use appropriate respiratory protection to prevent overexposures."
FYI This is true EVERY cleaner, not just Tac-up.
Your nose cannot always tell if some liquid is giving off unsafe vapors. Some of them have no odor at all, while other smell strongly. Heck, remember natural gas has so little odor, gas companies are forced to add a chemical to it that creates a strong odor, just so customers will know when they have leak. Carbon monoxide has no odor. You know you've been breathing it when they find your dead, lifeless body.
Bowling centers are huge open rooms. Your office or basement or your pro shop or wherever you clean your balls is small enclosed area which concentrates the vapors and you breathe them in.
"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Post by: bigdaddy1808 on July 25, 2012, 08:50:48 PM