Post by: Gunny on June 27, 2008, 08:06:08 AM
quarter size? teaspoon? couple of drops?
Edited on 7/4/2008 10:40 AM
Post by: ValentinoBowling on June 27, 2008, 08:14:50 PM
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Post by: Brickguy221 on June 27, 2008, 08:32:26 PM
The Resurrection is my last hope and if that fails, I will simply have to discard the ball. It was one of the best balls I ever had for 4 months and then it started dying a slow death and then the pin setter damaged it and my attempts to resurface it and revive it have failed. Even the hot water treatment didn't do anything for it. Meanwhile my Brunswick Twisted Fury is 2 months older than the Heist is and it is still going strong just like it did NIB.
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Post by: Gunny on June 27, 2008, 09:28:57 PM
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About a quarter size for Snake Oil, and just a little bit more for Resurrection...Maybe a quarter and a penny (lol)
yeah i used a quarter size for the Snake Oil, goes on well with little effort. great shine with a real squeaky/tacky finish. i put about a 50cent piece size for the Resurrection. it also went on well, and left which looked like an 800-1000 grit with a little sheen to it. almost looks like the finish i get when using a Norton Grey Fine pad.
lets see, this is what i used it on.
well see tomorrow how they perform.
Total NV...Resurrection only
Widow Bite...Resurrection & Snake oil
No Limit...Grey pad & Snake oil
Element Zr40...Grey pad & snake oil
also, i like the Franken Tape, i always drill my thumb hole a smidge bigger cause i like to add tape.(thumb swells & shrinks alot). in my opinion, its a good design, just a little on the thin size for my likes. had to use 4 Franken Tapes instead of my usual 2.
Edited on 6/27/2008 9:29 PM
Post by: charlest on June 27, 2008, 09:59:28 PM
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also, i like the Franken Tape, i always drill my thumb hole a smidge bigger cause i like to add tape.(thumb swells & shrinks alot). in my opinion, its a good design, just a little on the thin size for my likes. had to use 4 Franken Tapes instead of my usual 2.
Gunny,
When I tried the Franken Tape, I had to add an extra piece of white tape in the front of the hole, because FT made the thumb come out so easily. The FT is like adding a whisp of smoke, if you're thinking it will tighten up anything.
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Post by: Gunny on June 27, 2008, 10:24:41 PM
i just compared it to my Brunswick tape, and the FT is ALOT smoother. which will help, since the house i bowl at rarely uses it ceiling fans
Post by: Gunny on July 04, 2008, 10:40:25 AM
Total NV had Resurrection only and first few shots ball had a bit too much legnth and was hitting light. had to move 2 boards right. after about 6 frames it started to react like i wanted it to! maybe needed to track up, i dont know but will test again.
Widow Bite had been a dud of late so figured what the heck, Resurrection + Snake Oil. Ball had come back to life, and had to move back inside playing a 17-10 line. was ecstatic the ball had new life. good legnth and sharp backend. after a game it slowly started becoming a dud again, ball skated and never checked up like i new it should. was weird but oh well.
Element ZR40, using grey pad and Snake oil, WOW is all i can say. was able to play same line as TNV, but had a sharper turn off the friction. to snappy for me so i took a 2000 pad & scuffed the polish off just a tad. was able to play same shot but wasnt jumpy. took it to league next night and pound out 681. 2 days later in league...683. best consistent look i've had all summer.
Comparison to the Secret Sauce...
All the balls except for the No Limit(havent thrown it yet) were done the same with the Secret Sauce. the results were night and day. with the Sauce all 3 balls just skated down the lane with little move to the pocket. was a little change when i hit them with a 2000 pad, not enough to make it to the pocket.
My conclusion...
Resurrection
not sold on it just yet, more testing is needed.
cleans the ball very well, im just not sold on the sheen part of it.
Snake Oil....
Easily applied paste(i like better than the liquid). Gives a fantastic shine with little effort. VERY tacky feel(better than the liquid). Almost as slick as Secret Sauce. the sauce for me in every test just skated like a hockey puck on ice. the Snake Oil isnt as extreme in that extent, but it is snappy off the spot compared to the Sauce making it more forgiving and easier to adjust.
I think both products can be great and could work for any individual on the right conditions. tomorrow im out to do some more tests, cause i have this bottle of Sauce that i really want to work and so far its not working for me. and i hate wasting stuff. so off i go.
Post by: charlest on July 04, 2008, 04:13:31 PM
If I might make a few comments ...
1. Black Widow Bite: since it worked breifly with a refreshed surface and then showed signs of reduced preformance, all I can suggest is that it is probably in need of oil extraction. They absorb oil INCREDIBLY rapidly
2. Snake Oil, vs Secret Sauce:
SO is no abrasive, meaning it keeps the underlying grit.
SS is very abrasive in that it smooths the surface a lot. It needs, in my opinion, so far, with my own experiments, in progress, a much lower grit level. I suggest a starting grit level of 600 - 800 US scale, as a maximum. Then apply 1 applicaiton of SS on top of it. Any finer sanding level may be too fine and permit too much skid, and therefore too little friction.
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Post by: BeansProShop on July 05, 2008, 03:40:49 AM
You do not need a quarter size splash of the Sauce. You need 2-3 drops and do not mix it with any other polishes. Always use a new or clean polishing rag/cloth. After the initial application of Sauce on the towel as a base you need 2-3 drops to do a whole ball with some water in a spray bottle. It is very potent stuff and goes a long way.
Unless you are bowling on dirt you don't want to have too smooth a surface before the Sauce or you will see skate on moderate volume patterns..
My best tip with the Sauce is find your favorite starting grit before the Sauce and stick with it. I like 800 paper and 1000 Abralon before the Sauce on my Solids and 600 paper up to 2000 Abralon on my pearls.
As with any polish including the Snake Oil there is no perfect grit or application because all balls have different porosities.
I am working on a more abrasive cream based polish to compliment the Sauce's potency. I just don't want it to be another polish like the others...
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Post by: Gunny on July 05, 2008, 08:17:17 AM
Post by: BeansProShop on July 05, 2008, 05:22:16 PM
You use a clean/new towel/cloth with the first application only. Then let the Secret Sauce absorb and build up in the towel and you will see you only need 1-3 drops of Sauce to do a dull ball.
Any other questions feel free to message me.
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Post by: luv2C10falll on July 05, 2008, 05:40:39 PM
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Post by: BeansProShop on July 05, 2008, 05:47:10 PM
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Post by: ValentinoBowling on July 05, 2008, 06:02:09 PM
quote:
Resurrection
not sold on it just yet, more testing is needed.
cleans the ball very well, im just not sold on the sheen part of it.
Snake Oil....
Easily applied paste(i like better than the liquid). Gives a fantastic shine with little effort. VERY tacky feel(better than the liquid). Almost as slick as Secret Sauce. the sauce for me in every test just skated like a hockey puck on ice. the Snake Oil isnt as extreme in that extent, but it is snappy off the spot compared to the Sauce making it more forgiving and easier to adjust.
Just give Resurrection a chance! lol, actually the sheen part only happens when you apply the product using a spinner. If you apply Resurrection by hand you will get a 800 matte finish.
As for the Widow Bite, Ebonite's coverstock technology is amazing at aggressiveness and oil absorption. Great Absorption doesn't equal good longevity. As Charlest suggested you need to exact some oil out of the ball, I recommend the Innovative Revivor. Once the oil absorption channels have been plugged with so much oil no matter what surface the ball has it will have recovery problems on the backend. Once the deep oil channels have been cleaned your ready for the one two punch (Resurrection, then Snake Oil) which is the my favorite surface for polished and pearl equipment.
Also, The polishing micro beads remain in the towel, so if you have a towel devoted to Snake Oil you can get 60+ (I say 60+, but customers and proshops report 95+) uses out of an 8oz. bottle. All you have to do is spray the Snake Oil towel with water to rehydrate the cream base and then add a dime size of Snake Oil to the ball. Since our product is a cream it is easy to measure out and there is no waste
Good Luck and Good Bowling
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Edited on 7/5/2008 6:02 PM
Post by: FBM357 on July 05, 2008, 06:28:25 PM
Anyways, went to the lanes this afternoon with a few bowlers from my league for some practice. We paid the owner (usually do whenever we want her to oil our pair) to run the Kegel Lanewalker on our pair. Threw the BP a few frames, and noticed the ball not only held line (why not, it's polished pearl ) but had some 'Wicked' recovery!!! I wasn't anticipating this kind of movement, but wanted to see just how it would fair and what kind of surface adjustment I'd need. Basically a test! At first, the line played had a slight 'belly' in it, but soon after, I found myself moving left and giving a little more room.After the session, I immediately wiped my bowling equipment with Track Power Wash (had mine before Ebo took over) and the extreme tackiness was restored.
Gunny, Snake Oil is the deal!!!. Resurrection is realy nice as well. You have to be 'realistic' about using the stuff, as you can't expect every ball you throw to have a 'boomerang' effect when using this product. But you can expect restored performance and in some cases, above restored performance. However, you WILL NOT see diminshed performance!
Good stuff!
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Post by: BeansProShop on July 05, 2008, 09:38:42 PM
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As for the Widow Bite, Ebonite's coverstock technology is amazing at aggressiveness and oil absorption. Great Absorption doesn't equal good longevity. As Charlest suggested you need to exact some oil out of the ball, I recommend the Innovative Revivor. Once the oil absorption channels have been plugged with so much oil no matter what surface the ball has it will have recovery problems on the backend.
I could not agree with you more Kevin...
I also like the hot water baths for the at home guy that does not have access to the Revivor. I also think the Revivor is the best oil extractor out there.
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Post by: charlest on July 05, 2008, 10:00:16 PM
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Mr Beans.....dont hijack someone else's tread.That wasnt very nice
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luv2C10falll,
Please check Gunny's response. He brought the Secret Sauce into the discussion. That is why I made my comments about the SS. I think Beans was fine in his comments. He was not putting down anyone else's products. He was only commenting on how to properly use his product.
We all sometimes make comments on threads that are not germane to the discussion. Sometimes with good reason, sometimes not I am the first to admit to have sidetracked some discussions, not realizing it til afterwards. I do not believe Beans was wrong here.
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Post by: rvmark on July 08, 2008, 10:19:24 PM
Mark
Post by: ValentinoBowling on July 09, 2008, 03:44:15 AM
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Post by: rvmark on July 09, 2008, 08:42:30 AM
Mark
Post by: Gunny on July 09, 2008, 03:09:40 PM
Post by: Brickguy221 on July 09, 2008, 03:31:45 PM
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Not to mention that Snake Oil responds well to friction. I used Resurrection, than Snake Oil on my Track Temper, and if that ball sniffs friction....Look out!
Ditto for my AMF Heist...
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Post by: NY Mike on July 09, 2008, 03:36:06 PM
my Roto Mystic didn't get a chance to throw it as of yet. Ball appeared to shine up pretty good after a buffing with a clean towel.
Is it safe to use Resurrection on say a Hammer Cherry Vibe ? Will the Snake Oil bring it back to its OOB condition ?
Post by: ValentinoBowling on July 09, 2008, 04:01:31 PM
Tell us how the Mystic reacts!
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Post by: Oldskool2 on July 09, 2008, 04:01:39 PM
One week ago I ordered the One/Two Punch package and there it was. We are talking overseas in Belgium.
Last week I resurfaced my Big one and my Total NV including a thorough washing.
Still I had no reaction in the backend. I tried Abralon 4000, 2000, 1000 and with factory finish in different amounts for the NV.
So I went back to the tub for another washing. Then I got the Resurrection and the snake oil so I used this after drying. The last step before Resurrection was a P1000 grit Abralon pad.
Today went bowling with my girl so I could test them. Both had reaction in the backend again. I had the best result with the Big One. It had enough of it's old power back to fit in again. For this I only used Resurrection.
The NV was a lot better, but still misted the pop. I have to "play" with the combo of the products some more.
I regret a little that I didn't test them before applying the Valentino products, so I could see if the second washing had any contribution. I think this is because the results amaze me.
So, after Hook Again treatment and washing including resurface did not show big difference, Resurrection did.
Conclusion: Impressed!
Antoine
Edited on 7/9/2008 4:05 PM
Post by: ValentinoBowling on July 09, 2008, 04:33:24 PM
for both balls I would recommend sanding the balls to 400 to remove some of the surface, then apply Resurrection. Resurrection will take any grit from 400 to 5000+ to a sheen 800 grit.
Glad your Big One was Resurrected!
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Post by: NY Mike on July 11, 2008, 01:27:00 PM
I am bowling in a center with fried backends, when I used the Mystic weeks ago ball would flip uncontrollably. Last night after the snake oil treatment ball had great length but still a strong controllable finish. Snake Oil gave my Mystic more length than my untreated Cherry Vibe. thanks,.
Post by: Steven on July 16, 2008, 03:08:24 PM
1) Ball -- Lane#1 Super Carbide Bomb (SCB). Starting Surface -- 35 Micron Trizact, no polish, about 5 games since last resurface (about 100 games overall). Valentino Prep -- Resurrection by hand, followed by Snake Oil on the spinner.
2) Ball -- Lane#1 Uranium. Starting Surface -- 800 Grit Scotchbrite (grey pad), no polish, about 20 games since last resurface (about 50 games overall). Valentino Prep -- Resurrection by hand, NO Snake Oil polish.
3) Ball -- Lane#1 Super Carbide C++. Starting Surface -- NIB w/factory polish, about 25 games since drilling it up. Valentino Prep -- Resurrection by spinner to remove most of the old polish and track, followed by Snake Oil on the spinner.
4) Ball -- Brunswick Fury. Starting Surface -- 1000 Grit Abralon, no polish, about 5 games since last resurface (about 50 games overall). Valentino Prep -- Resurrection by spinner, NO Snake Oil polish. My original intent was to apply Snake Oil, but the sheen from using Resurrection on the spinner was surprisingly high, so I deferred on the polish.
Initial thoughts:
First, there is definitely a difference between using Resurrection on the spinner and by hand. On the spinner, there is a definite added sheen. By hand, you get more of the Matte Finished advertised by Valentino. From my perspective, it’s good to have the choice based on what you’re trying to achieve.
Second, Resurrection takes on the attributes of the starting surface grit of the ball. For instance, the 35 Micron finish on the SCB is dull (approx 360 grit), and no matter how much I worked Resurrection by hand, I couldn’t seem to get a 800 grit Matte Finish. Unless I was doing something wrong, I found that if you want to end of with 800 Matte, get the ball close to 800 first and then apply Resurrection. Regardless, the product applies easily by hand or by spinner.
Third, the finish left by both Resurrection and Snake Oil is tacky, and doesn’t wear off after a few shots on the lane.
On the Lane(s):
Overall on fresh THS, I felt I had better backend and overall reaction using every ball. On the Fury, I had more backend and recovery than I had ever achieved with any of the numerous other finishes/polishes I had tried in the past. On the SCB, the ball turned into a THS monster with the renewed and enhanced mid lane / backend reaction. The Uranium was similar. I didn’t see much difference in the Carbide+, but it’s still a relatively new ball that was working great, and I would have been surprised to see much difference.
After throwing several games on a THS pair, I moved over to a fresh lane with Shark. I was really curious how the Carbide+ would react from the long oil to minimal opportunity for friction on the backend that this pattern provides. I was very happy with how quickly the Carbide+ picked up the backend, and shot a consistent 223, 219 set. For the Carbide+, I really noticed a more pronounced difference on Shark than I did the THS.
Conclusion:
Based on my experience so far, I’m sold on the products. I spend a lot of time on the spinner with different surfaces and polishes, and I’ve never been this excited about a set of products. I’m also very happy with Bean’s Secret Sauce, and feel between the two sets of products can achieve whatever I want to get for a specific situation.
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