Post by: ValentinoBowling on June 23, 2008, 06:49:25 AM
if you haven't already tired our products, we are offering a coupon for 5% off an order of $15.00. When you test hundreds of bowling balls, you know a good product from an AMAZING product.
-Kevin
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Edited on 6/25/2008 2:21 PM
Post by: Big Jake on June 23, 2008, 03:31:20 PM
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Congrats Kevin!!! *extends the right hand*
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Post by: VideoBallReviews on June 23, 2008, 08:57:29 PM
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When you test hundreds of bowling balls, you know a good product from an AMAZING product.
This is exactly why Valentino Bowlling is now an official sponsor of Videoballreviews.com...ive tested alot of products and i know when i find a winner...
Kevin was kind enough to send me a sample pack to try out his Resurrection and Snake Oil Products. All it took was one application of each to prove to me that his products are far above and beyond other products on the market.
Resurrection is a very good matchup for my game...the 800 grit sheen finish has been applied to a few balls already that are in my bag regularly...as Charlest said "Liquid Gold"
Snake Oil is the best polish out there period...As many of you know beans and i used to have a partnership, his polish is very good but was not a good matchup for my game...unless i had the underlying grit at 500 or less the ball went 60 feet, i do wish beans the best of luck in his endeavors...anyway back to the snake oil
Snake oil provides a clean shine that allows the true traits of the cover to shine through at ANY grit...i have tested at 4000 down to 500 and at every underlying grit there was an incredible CONSISTENT, increased backend reaction
So from now on if i do a surface change in a video, i will be using only the best...Valentino Bowling Maintenance Products!
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Post by: ValentinoBowling on June 24, 2008, 03:54:04 PM
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Post by: Nails on June 24, 2008, 03:59:44 PM
I love abralon with my spinner so I may not need the Resurrection, but I may have to try the polish.
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Post by: charlest on June 24, 2008, 04:14:35 PM
quote:
Gee, do you think there would have been a congratulations if Beans/Lane1 Sauce would have been the official polish for video ball reviews?
I love abralon with my spinner so I may not need the Resurrection, but I may have to try the polish.
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Telling it like it is.
Don't rush him. Remember Beans is running still the Lane#1 pro shop at Nationals. He's got a lot to do and not a lot of time to do it in.
Besides he made a huge career move getting Lane#1 to buy the Secret Sauce. He'll begrudge no one their own success, I'm sure.
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Post by: VideoBallReviews on June 24, 2008, 05:26:22 PM
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Post by: Gunny on June 24, 2008, 06:00:58 PM
Edited on 6/24/2008 6:01 PM
Post by: BeansProShop on June 24, 2008, 06:58:51 PM
quote:quote:
Gee, do you think there would have been a congratulations if Beans/Lane1 Sauce would have been the official polish for video ball reviews?
I love abralon with my spinner so I may not need the Resurrection, but I may have to try the polish.
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Telling it like it is.
Don't rush him. Remember Beans is running still the Lane#1 pro shop at Nationals. He's got a lot to do and not a lot of time to do it in.
Besides he made a huge career move getting Lane#1 to buy the Secret Sauce. He'll begrudge no one their own success, I'm sure.
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Charlest,
He means from Absolutebowling. If I was "Still" the Official ball miantenance product of VBR.com would he congratulate me. He hates Lane#1 and probably me because I work for Lane#1. My answer would be no I am sure. No biggie. I have spoken with Valentino and with Britton and I wish them all the best.
Beans
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PBA Member and Lane#1 Ball Drilling Expert
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Edited on 6/24/2008 7:47 PM
Post by: BeansProShop on June 24, 2008, 07:02:49 PM
I want to take this time to publicly apologize to Valentino Bowling. We have both been a little childish in our promotion of our products with sly jabs at each other. It is fun to a point but when your character and reputation start getting tarnished because of childish behavior it is time to stop. Competition is good in business. It has made me realize I need to put my thinking cap back on and start developing new and better products to add to my product line. Past and present. Again, I apologize for my non professional replies to some posts recently.
Thanks
Thomas "beans" Biniek Jr.
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Post by: 300jd on June 24, 2008, 07:18:21 PM
bottom line every has a favorite product
and everyone has an opinion
me i am loyal to beans many happy sales
and have ordered the sauce ,just my prefrence
but best of luck to all companies and pleasing thier customers
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Post by: charlest on June 24, 2008, 08:09:41 PM
quote:quote:quote:
Gee, do you think there would have been a congratulations if Beans/Lane1 Sauce would have been the official polish for video ball reviews?
I love abralon with my spinner so I may not need the Resurrection, but I may have to try the polish.
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Telling it like it is.
Don't rush him. Remember Beans is running still the Lane#1 pro shop at Nationals. He's got a lot to do and not a lot of time to do it in.
Besides he made a huge career move getting Lane#1 to buy the Secret Sauce. He'll begrudge no one their own success, I'm sure.
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Charlest,
He means from Absolutebowling. If I was "Still" the Official ball miantenance product of VBR.com would he congratulate me. He hates Lane#1 and probably me because I work for Lane#1. My answer would be no I am sure. No biggie. I have spoken with Valentino and with Britton and I wish them all the best.
Beans
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PBA Member and Lane#1 Ball Drilling Expert
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Official Pro Shop of "ALL" F.O.S. Members!!!
Edited on 6/24/2008 7:47 PM
Yes. sorry. I did not mean absolutebowling. I meant you, Thomas.
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Post by: charlest on June 24, 2008, 08:12:19 PM
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Post by: SandraM on June 24, 2008, 08:27:44 PM
Post by: icewall on June 24, 2008, 10:53:16 PM
id rather the post say something like "dont believe the hype, try it for yourself"
or something like that.
either way I think its great for business. i cant wait to see some video ball reviews with snake oil. I really judge all of the balls thrown by britton because he is that perfect inbetween "tweener" that i never see in other videos. AND he keeps the lanes at all different patterns.
just IMO
Post by: BigWillyStyle on June 24, 2008, 11:25:41 PM
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Any company that has their own polish won't let him make a video with the a different companies polish on the ball.
Therefore Britton is left with AMF and Visionary... two companies that aren't very good to begin with.
That's why there was never a video of the Secret Sauce even thought one was promised... and I doubt we will see one of Valentino products either.
Best way you are going to see these videos is when Beans finds the a unbiased person to make the videos and you get the honest opinion from a person who has never used both..
IMO that is the only true way your ever going to see how well each polished, how fast, and then on lane reactions... a video by anyone else, INCLUDING MY BOSS, would be somewhat biased... and that's the reason he's not making it himself!
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Ball driller for Bean's Pro Shop
Specializing in Lane #1 Bowling Balls
www.BeansProShop.com
"Home of the Secret Sauce"
Saginaw Valley State University
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Sponsored by Hammer Bowling
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"Nothing it's like a Hammer"
Maybe it's just me, but for you to say that Visionary is not a good company well, that shows your ignorance. You do realize that Visionary (unlike Faball/Hammer) has been able to keep up in today's market without selling out....maybe because they put out more quality products than said team sponsor!
Big Willy Style
PS...I would figure that someone hired by Beans wouldn't be so near-sighted, seeing as Beans has made such a good product from scratch!
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Post by: BigWillyStyle on June 24, 2008, 11:59:36 PM
Tell me what other company will give you 4 of it's top-end equipment (plus a bag, polos, and towel) for $500 shipped to your door.
Seriously, you using the "If they were that good, you wouldn't have to PAY to be on their staff" line is pretty dumb, since you're paying for their EQUIPMENT, not paying to be bound to throwing ONLY their equipment.
It's hard to argue company sales, seeing as there are companies that have been with bowling for an eternity (like Brunswick and Columbia)...and then there are newer companies to the game (like Lane#1 and Visionary). BUT, I suppose that 900 Global MUST be terrible, since it doesn't pull in NEARLY as much $$$ as Storm...at least this is what your skewed theory has established!
Bottom line, is that taking cheap shots at a brand for NO REASON other than the fact that they don't sell their own polish is just plain dumb!
Big Willy Style
PS...didn't Track and Hammer both have their own coverstock prep products before they were bought out? Guess THAT isn't what makes a BOWLING BALL manufacturer good...
AND, if you're planning on supporting a ball company, AT LEAST type the slogan correctly!
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If they were that good, you wouldn't have to PAY to be on their staff since they'd be able to afford staff members mearly on the profits of their customers.
And I'm not nearsighted.. I'm actually farsighted.
But um, I mean seriously, if the company was THAT AMAZING, they would of made a bigger name for themselves by now. I'm not saying it's a bad company, just not saying it's good either.
In the end, product sales and company profit are two things that makes an ok company and a really good company different... and I'd have to say Visionary is on the low end of that list.
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"Home of the Secret Sauce"
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Post by: BigWillyStyle on June 25, 2008, 01:00:54 AM
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And all I mearly said was that if Visionary was this amazing company, youd see alot more people throw it!! I have yet to say it's a bad company, and I'm getting bashed all around, LOL!!!!!!
Do you guys even realize what you say about Lane #1.. and your nice bashing signature right there!
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AMF and Visionary... two companies that aren't very good to begin with
So I suppose that when I refer to your posts in this thread as not very intelligent or educated that I'm NOT implying that they are stupid?
C'mon man...you said it!
Geesh, even someone who prefers the "low-end" quality of Visionary equipment can read what you've said (by the way, you referred to them as that also....
quote:).
an ok company and a really good company different... and I'd have to say Visionary is on the low end of that list
Big Willy Style
PS...this will be my last post on this thread, as I never intended to Hijack the original discussion. My cordial apology to both surface prep aficionados!
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Post by: charlest on June 25, 2008, 06:34:01 AM
quote:
Any company that has their own polish won't let him make a video with the a different companies polish on the ball.
Therefore Britton is left with AMF and Visionary... two companies that aren't very good to begin with.
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Ball driller for Bean's Pro Shop
Saginaw Valley State University
Bowling Team '08-'09
I agree with BigWilly. It's not the smartest thing you ever said.
Even if you couldn't get their balls to work for you, that is not the way to phrase that idea. If you actually think that, then there are some things you just shouldn't say.
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Post by: pnj1967 on June 25, 2008, 06:36:41 AM
Making a statement like that "Therefore Britton is left with AMF and Visionary... two companies that aren't very good to begin with."
Beans has tried to get this by, and you as in other subjects put your foot in your arse.
With your smart --- answers, YOU have driven people away from not only the polish, but also Lane 1 balls.
For one, Visionary are one of the better balls made, with EXCELLENT customer servive.
I really don't understand why Beans puts up with your bull.
I was getting ready to try Beans Polish, but after reading your BS, I will not. Great job, chris-m .
I apologize to ValentinoBowling for going off subject on the thread.
quote:quote:
IMO id like to see it end in this post.
id rather the post say something like "don't believe the hype, try it for yourself"
or something like that.
either way I think its great for business. i cant wait to see some video ball reviews with snake oil. I really judge all of the balls thrown by britton because he is that perfect inbetween "tweener" that i never see in other videos. AND he keeps the lanes at all different patterns.
just IMO
Any company that has their own polish won't let him make a video with the a different companies polish on the ball.
Therefore Britton is left with AMF and Visionary... two companies that aren't very good to begin with.
That's why there was never a video of the Secret Sauce even thought one was promised... and I doubt we will see one of Valentino products either.
Best way you are going to see these videos is when Beans finds the a unbiased person to make the videos and you get the honest opinion from a person who has never used both..
IMO that is the only true way your ever going to see how well each polished, how fast, and then on lane reactions... a video by anyone else, INCLUDING MY BOSS, would be somewhat biased... and that's the reason he's not making it himself!
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Ball driller for Bean's Pro Shop
Specializing in Lane #1 Bowling Balls
www.BeansProShop.com
"Home of the Secret Sauce"
Saginaw Valley State University
Bowling Team '08-'09
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Post by: VideoBallReviews on June 25, 2008, 06:39:15 AM
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Any company that has their own polish won't let him make a video with the a different companies polish on the ball.
Dont know where you got this Information from, but it is not true. I can use the polish with any manufacturer i wish (well prolly except for lane #1 now)
Please get your facts straight before you post
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Therefore Britton is left with AMF and Visionary... two companies that aren't very good to begin with.
This is a matter of opinion so ill let you have that, but i would be willing to bet there are alot of people who will disagree with you on this, including myself!
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That's why there was never a video of the Secret Sauce even thought one was promised... and I doubt we will see one of Valentino products either.
I did feature the sauce in a video for the attitude shift, it was one of the few balls i could match up with with the sauce on it, this one and the resurgence. I have already spoken to beans about that. I did say to beans i would do a sauce only video, but was never able to find the time. Again i spoke with beans about this already.
Again, Please get your facts straight before you post.
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If they were that good, you wouldn't have to PAY to be on their staff since they'd be able to afford staff members mearly on the profits of their customers.
Here you are speaking of visionary. Just so you know, they do have amatuer staff members that dont have to PAY to be on staff...they offer the test staff as a way for bowlers to get the latest and greatest releases from them at a lower cost in return for reviews, personally i think it is a great idea, and im sure every test staffer out there for visionary will agree with me.
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In the end, product sales and company profit are two things that makes an ok company and a really good company different... and I'd have to say Visionary is on the low end of that list.
what makes an ok company a really good company in this industry is MARKETING, i guarentee if visionary had the marketing budget of a storm, ebonite international or Big B, they would have just as big a market share as anybody...beans knows this as well, im surprised his knowledge hasnt passed down to you a little better on some things...
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I have yet to say it's a bad company, and I'm getting bashed all around, LOL!!!!!!
again you are speaking about visionary, but in an earlier post you say...
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Therefore Britton is left with AMF and Visionary... two companies that aren't very good to begin with.
Hmmm not very good and bad seem like the same thing to me...
AGAIN get your facts straight before you post please.
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And, I hope Britton does make a video.. since I wanna see how this "amazing" polish works. Not to mention the video would be more than he ever did for Beans... lol.
More than i ever did for beans? wow, ill leave that alone...i helped push his stuff as much as i could on here because while i did not match up with it, i have seen it match up well with a few people...its not a bad product, just does not match up with my game like Valeninos stuff does, i feel for tweeners and strokers valentinos stuff is as good as it gets...beans has said it himself, he developed a polish to give a pro shop the ability to easily polish a bowling ball to the highest luster available, and he did that...some people just dont need that high of a luster. Beans sauce is the best i have ever seen at polishing clear bowling balls and other plastic balls, makes them look better than new!
Anyway, as i said Chris i have no problem with you coming on here and stating your opinion...thats what these boards are for, BUT when you are stating "facts" please make sure you have information to back them and get them straight.
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Post by: Dan Belcher on June 25, 2008, 08:05:58 AM
I'm going to address this one thing because it really bugged me:
quote:Um, marketing money comes from just that -- money. Whether you generate it from sales or just from initial investment money, you still have to have enough capital on hand to spend money on a marketing program that will actually generate enough return on investment to make it worthwhile. If you do not have enough start-up money for a big time campaign, you often will end up more in a business category of filling a niche rather than being one of the major powerhouses, and it's hard to change that around. Visionary isn't a big powerhouse like Brunswick/Ebonite/Storm, so they make wise use of their money -- they know it's too much of an uphill battle to directly compete with the big name guys who have 1) brand recognition (which is worth a whole lot more than you seem to think) and 2) very deep pockets. Visionary is able to make more profit overall by spending less, even if it means selling fewer total bowling balls than they could with a more aggressive marketing campaign. That's just basic business. It's not about how much product you sell if you're spending more than you're bringing in.
Numero dos.. Marketing money comes from sales son!! So a lack of sales means a lack of marketing. Usually when companies start they put a hefty amount into the marketing part to get a jump start and then use sales to help push that marketing... this obviously isn't working.
Post by: VideoBallReviews on June 25, 2008, 08:20:15 AM
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Um, marketing money comes from just that -- money. Whether you generate it from sales or just from initial investment money, you still have to have enough capital on hand to spend money on a marketing program that will actually generate enough return on investment to make it worthwhile.
Exactly Dan
I'm sure loans are as prominent in the bowling industry as they are in every other business imaginable...
SO SON unless you know how a company operaties and all its financials(which you might, you appear to know everything else that goes on with every company
) you really have no clue where a company gets its money from...AGAIN please get your facts straight before you post uneducated guesses
PS its a beautiful day in SEPA as well enjoy your tee time
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Post by: Brickguy221 on June 25, 2008, 09:33:41 AM
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With your smart --- answers, YOU have driven people away from not only the polish, but also Lane 1 balls
Amen to that...As much as I love Lane 1 balls and their Diamond Cores, people like Chris have driven me away from Lane 1 balls and the XXXL is the only one I still have. I simply don't understand why Beans can't see how much Chris is hurting Lane 1, hurting the Beans sauce and even hurting Beans himself.
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Post by: BigWillyStyle on June 25, 2008, 09:53:02 AM
I do, however, appreciate you guys backing me on my thoughts, as I wasn't sure if I was in the right or not. I worked in a proshop for 4 years, and NEVER was as close-minded about a bowling equipment company as he is (except for the prices that Elite wanted...I'll admit to that). Makes me wonder how he tests bowling balls un-biased when he's stereotyping companies like Visionary and AMF...which, for the record, the AMF NightHawk (original) was one of the best balls on the market!
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When you test hundreds of bowling balls, you know a good product from an AMAZING product... oh boy, do I ever!! :-p
Now if we could just get Beans to "test" someone else working in his shop, then he'd realize he could have an "AMAZING" employee there instead.
Big Willy Style
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Post by: n00dlejester on June 25, 2008, 10:28:09 AM
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Post by: 302efi on June 25, 2008, 10:43:09 AM
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Therefore Britton is left with AMF and Visionary... two companies that aren't very good to begin with.
Wow...That might just be the dumbest thing ever said on Ballreviews.
Maybe if you have a f*&Ked-up, bent elbow cause mommy never showed me how to bowl release, the balls might not roll well for you....
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I will head to my local pro shop. Right after I buy it online.
Sport Bowling is a F**king joke
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Post by: BeansProShop on June 25, 2008, 01:12:50 PM
So I go to bed last night and this is what I have to wake up to!!!
First of all....
Chris Moyer works for me...Yes!! He does not speak for me!!! Does he represent my shop well? When he is "IN" the shop he does a great job! When he is not in the shop or is posting this garbage on this website...No! He doesn't and I would like to ram a 2x4 down his throat sometimes.
Britton,
We have talked and you know where I stand. I did not under any circumstances know Chris was going to wake up on the wrong side of the bed yet AGAIN!!! So I did not sick the dogs on anyone. I know you understand that!
SandraM,
"I've read all the topics and the only one being childish and taking jabs is you, Beans." Then you didn't pick up the friendly jabs in the posts! Again, Like I said.. Competition is good!
As far as Visionary goes... I "DO" sell it out of my shop if someone asks for it. I do not stock it but I do sell it. I think Visionary does have a high quality product but it just isn't too popular in my shop. My apologies to Visionary and the Wunders.
Chris Moyer in NO WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM works or represents Lane#1 in any way whatsoever. NONE!! Just because it is in his signature does not mean anything!! Please do not hold Lane#1 liable for Chris' stupid posts and chip on my shoulder comments.
One final comment...
I know Chris portrays an image of conceit and arrogance and it pours over onto my image because everyone knows he run my shop for me while I am in Albuquerque. At times I feel I can't stop him from voicing his opinion just because he works for me but when he starts making comments that apear that he is speaking for me it is time I put my foot down. I have talked to Chris in length about the fact he works for Beans Pro Shop and I like to portray a certain image and class for my business and I expect the same from my employees. Chris is the only person I have back home to run my shop. He is a smart and talented kid that just doesn't see things the same as others. That is OK until you post in a sarcastic and negative way all the time. He has created the image he now has and that is not well received by others. It will take a lot for him to change the way people look at him because of his past antics. I hope he eventually sees how bad his actions hurt himself and the people he is associated with. i tolerate his actions because I have to, Not because I want to. It is important for everyone to know that when he reads this he will probably quit on me and my shop will be left closed for 3 weeks until I get home. This is his last chance with me...If he chooses not to quit on me and continues to bring me a bad image he will be let go!!
Again,
I apologize to Britton,Kevin Valentino,Visionary Bowling,Lane#1 and the BR.com community for any negative vibes caused by my employee.
Thomas "Beans" Biniek Jr.
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Edited on 6/25/2008 1:13 PM
Edited on 6/25/2008 1:15 PM
Post by: azguy on June 25, 2008, 01:38:19 PM
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He is a smart and talented kid that just doesn't see things the same as others. That is OK until you post in a sarcastic and negative way all the time. He has created the image he now has and that is not well received by others. It will take a lot for him to change the way people look at him because of his past antics. I hope he eventually sees how bad his actions hurt himself and the people he is associated with. i tolerate his actions because I have to, Not because I want to. It is important for everyone to know that when he reads this he will probably quit on me and my shop will be left closed for 3 weeks until I get home. This is his last chance with me...If he chooses not to quit on me and continues to bring me a bad image he will be let go!!
This is the first posting to this topic for me and will be my only posting to this topic.
From reading the posts, there's enough 'childish' comments from just about everyone to go around. We all have our 'likes and dislikes' where products are concerned. That's why they make Fords/Chevys/Toyotas/Dodges/etc. Get/use the product YOU like the best and be done with it.
I've never used Bean's Sauce but I'm sure it's a good product or there wouldn't be a good following as there is. I've used Snake Oil and it is a good product. I can not and would not say one is "better" than the other even if I had used both.
As it's been said a million times in other topics, what conditions I see may/may not be what others see and therefore one person should not 'trash' one product over the other.
Mr. Beans, you have been as fair in most posts as any competitor can or should be. However, I disagree with this last post about firing an employee over postings on a public site. It is known, I think, chris-m does NOT speak for you and is only showing others his "bad side" by his postings. To fire someone due to actions on his own time, on a public site, IMO, is wrong. To be fair, if he was posting naked pictures of your customers, hanging him by the lamp post would be fine but to post HIS opinion on his OWN time, is a bit intrusive, IMO.
There was an article on the news a couple days ago about employers firing people who smoked at HOME, not on the job. Again, intrusive and I see a correlation to that and what you say you feel you must do. I will admit, you are the boss and you can hire and fire as you see it in the best interest of your company.
Point to this is, you have made your position as clear as you can. If others can't understand that, that's thier own problem. How you deal with your employees is your option, I just don't think it's in good taste to post it where others see it when it's YOURS to deal with.
Good Luck in all your endeavors as well as Valentino's endeavors.
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Edited on 6/25/2008 1:56 PM
Post by: 302efi on June 25, 2008, 01:47:31 PM
As Az said this is a public site and Chris comments and opinions and may be posted on his free time, the problem is that when someone works for a proshop and says publicly that X + Y company sucks...People tend to put that together. I know I did.
I thought that Beans Pro Shop impressions were that Visionary and AMF sucks, lol
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I will head to my local pro shop. Right after I buy it online.
Sport Bowling is a F**king joke
Post by: BeansProShop on June 25, 2008, 01:57:02 PM
I have tried to take that approach with Chris several times. I do feel it is his right to post what he wants and when he wants. BUT.....He has my signature at the bottom of his posts and to some people that makes him a representative to my business. When you get 17 PM's telling you what your employee has posted and how it makes me look bad and they will not buy my products because of it. Then I no longer have a choice but to protect my business and my customer base. He has been warned and this was his last FREE pass.
Thanks beans
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Thomas "Beans" Biniek Jr.
PBA Member and Lane#1 Ball Drilling Expert
Thanks for reading and be sure to check us out at the Lane#1 booth in Albuquerque. Check out current eBay auctions at:
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Post by: azguy on June 25, 2008, 02:00:56 PM
Again, Best of Luck in the future with your company and all it's endeavors.
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Post by: BeansProShop on June 25, 2008, 02:02:57 PM
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Good post Beans.
As Az said this is a public site and Chris comments and opinions and may be posted on his free time, the problem is that when someone works for a proshop and says publicly that X + Y company sucks...People tend to put that together. I know I did.
I thought that Beans Pro Shop impressions were that Visionary and AMF sucks, lol
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I will head to my local pro shop. Right after I buy it online.
Sport Bowling is a F**king joke
I have had moderate luck with Visionary but that was pre 2003 when I signed with Lane#1. I have had some of my biggest scores and tourney wins with AMF so that statement is truly false...LOL!!
I signed with Lane#1 because I truly had the BEST reactions with their stuff. I had contracts on the line with Brunswick and Storm at the same time but I had the best results with Richie's stuff. Next to Lane#1....AMF was my favorite ball company at the time..
Beans
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Thomas "Beans" Biniek Jr.
PBA Member and Lane#1 Ball Drilling Expert
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Post by: 302efi on June 25, 2008, 02:04:12 PM
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I will head to my local pro shop. Right after I buy it online.
Sport Bowling is a F**king joke
Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on June 25, 2008, 02:06:54 PM
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Post by: BeansProShop on June 25, 2008, 02:10:16 PM
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I totally understand. Didn't in any way mean to say you did/do not have that right, just posting ( probably shouldn't had) my opinion.
Again, Best of Luck in the future with your company and all it's endeavors.
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rlbowlerspro@cox.net
You should have posted it and I appreciate it. I always listen to other peoples opinions. It is what makes me continue to learn in this industry..
Beans
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Thomas "Beans" Biniek Jr.
PBA Member and Lane#1 Ball Drilling Expert
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Post by: A K A on June 25, 2008, 02:11:36 PM
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I like puppies & butterflies.
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Post by: 302efi on June 25, 2008, 02:48:01 PM
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I'm so glad I live in America...
Don't like my opinion? TOUGH SH*T! Lol.
I just laugh and laugh.. you guys can post all you want about how Lane #1 charges too much or how ebonite balls die.. but once I say a company isn't very good you start bickering? LOLLLLLLL.
I love it, just absolutely love it. What a waste of time 99% of you are...
Beans this is exactly what everyones talking about...Fire this douche-bag and be done with it.
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I will head to my local pro shop. Right after I buy it online.
Sport Bowling is a F**king joke
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Post by: BeansProShop on June 25, 2008, 03:33:06 PM
What did I do to deserve this!!!
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Post by: charlest on June 25, 2008, 03:46:55 PM
I think most of us realize by now that Mr. Moyer does not speak for you nor your Pro Shop. Since he has your Pro Shop name in his signature block, others and ballreviews newbies may believe he does speak for you and your shop.
I think you should not apologize for his mistakes and some of his posts which have ben offensive to many people. I also think you should not have to apologize for him he is certainly old enough to take responsibility for his own actions. I do think you should ask him to remove your pro shop name from his signature block so this can't happen again.
I certainly hope Lane#1 and Richie does not hold Moyer's opinions against you and your shop.
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Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on June 25, 2008, 04:22:10 PM
You're having words, on the internet, with a teenager.
A teenager that's, let's see if I can remember, proclaimed himself to be part of a college bowling team he hasn't even tried out for.
Claimed that Visionary, a company not much unlike Lane #1, a David in the sea of Goliaths in the bowling business, along with AMF, are simply not that good to begin with. I'm not familiar with the number of total titles that AMF & Visionary have to their credit over the past four or five decades on the PBA, LPBA, or regional stops but, safe to say, it's a lot more than Lane #1. Heck, Visionary isn't PBA endorsed and Lane #1 can't surpass them. However, I will never state that Lane #1 builds, designs, pours, or markets a sub-standard product. Why? Because my IQ surpasses my shoe size.
Beans, you have a great reputation on this site and amongst the Lane #1 community. You've stated that Mr. Moyer, a sort of "protege", has a vast amount of knowledge for the sport of bowling and the business of drilling equipment. Together, it appears that you're quite able to take care of your customer base with ball choices, surface prep, and drilling suggestions. More's the pity that with time comes wisdom and experience. One can only pray that tact comes along for the ride.
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Post by: gsback on June 25, 2008, 04:34:59 PM
Yes, I was probably the same at 19, but as time goes along, wisdom somehow seems to replace stupidity.....or at least the thought that amongst men, one is a god!
Chris, I've thrown Lane#1 in the past. Had 3 SCBs, a Pearl Uranium and a Silver Dianomd. I liked the SD, but overall, none matched up with me. Does that mean they are crap??? Though not stated specifically by you, I could easily ascertain that since Lane#1 doesn't seem to be used much on the Pro Tour that they must suck and maybe I might even throw in the excuse that I feel they lack the required performance. It's my opinion just as it's yours to say what you'd like.
However, both are small companies to say the least. I've seen one place in my area selling Lane#1. Actually, I don't think Wicks in Dallas is selling them anymore.....so there may not be any places in my general area selling Lane#1. Does that make them bad because they aren't in my area and because I didn't like them? No.
What it comes down to is thinking before you speak. Opinions are fine. But bad mouthing a company because you can't match up with them is not the way to present yourself as a driller for yourself much less someone else with as much time in this site as Beans.
Tact is a wonderful thing.....learn it...you're going to need it to say the least.
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Post by: BeansProShop on June 25, 2008, 04:40:36 PM
Beans
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Thomas "Beans" Biniek Jr.
PBA Member and Lane#1 Ball Drilling Expert
Thanks for reading and be sure to check us out at the Lane#1 booth in Albuquerque. Check out current eBay auctions at:
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Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on June 25, 2008, 04:50:11 PM
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Post by: DP3 on June 25, 2008, 04:59:55 PM
You may say that Chris Moyer's actions do not speak for you and your pro shop, but unfortunately in the retail business every working member of the "ship" carries the bearing of the flag equally. I'd equate it to walking into a best buy audio section and getting treated like crap. It becomes less of what was said between the two parties, and more of how "Best Buy audio technicians and Best Buy sucks as a whole". I don't know the working functions of your shop and it's none of my business, I can only assume that you're doing very well, but it's amazing how much publicity just a name can draw in a public forum. I get calls and walk ins all the time based on people that have seen my posts or read my reviews on here and for those new long term customers I've made off of this site I'm grateful for. Maybe Chris should just think for every post you make there could be someone lurking and saying "Wow, this is how these guys are, I'm not giving them my business." It's a two way street.
Just like I tell the guys on the college team I coach, everything you do while wearing your title as college bowler for your university carries the name of your team, school establishment, and many good people on your shoulders. Do not mess it up. Hopefully the negatives won't affect you too bad, if at all.
Good luck, I'm sure we'll see a new Chris-M after spending a semester or two under Coach Dorian.
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Post by: BeansProShop on June 25, 2008, 06:02:45 PM
Thanks for the messages.
beans
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Thomas "Beans" Biniek Jr.
PBA Member and Lane#1 Ball Drilling Expert
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Post by: BallReviews-TECH on June 25, 2008, 06:05:08 PM
-BR-Tech
Post by: BigWillyStyle on June 25, 2008, 10:09:17 PM
Congradulations on the new endeavor.
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Post by: charlest on June 25, 2008, 11:12:45 PM
There's room for everyone!
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Post by: ValentinoBowling on June 27, 2008, 08:17:05 PM
Alright, I'm heading out of the office, it's been a long week and I need a drink....better make it a double!
Have a great weekend everyone,
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