Post by: lane1lover on May 22, 2005, 03:23:31 PM
Post by: charlest on May 23, 2005, 05:36:51 AM
There are so many good bowling ball-specific cleaners out there. If you must be cheap and try to use something not intended for bowling balls, I guess you could try Simple Green mixed 50/50 with water or alcohol.
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Post by: legend4life95 on May 23, 2005, 06:34:40 AM
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Post by: stanski on May 23, 2005, 04:28:55 PM
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I was using Windex for a while before switching to simple green and now to Tracks clean N Dull. The windex worked well and never seemed to hurt the balls. It removed belt marks better than simple green. However, nothing i've tried can come close to the deep cleaning power of Clean N Dull!!! Try it and you won't go back to those cheap cleaners after seeing all the dirt come out of your ball.
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Try cleaning with simple green, then clean with clean n dull. I would be quite surprised if anything more came out of the ball after simple green is used, i know i can't find a product to get more out after i use simple green.
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Post by: bighook69 on May 23, 2005, 04:38:51 PM
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Post by: htotheizzo3561 on May 23, 2005, 06:14:39 PM
Post by: charlest on May 23, 2005, 07:09:06 PM
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I use windex after using Clean and Dull on my ball spinner. Helps remove any residual from the ball. Leaves them squeaky clean.
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Anyone have change for my 2 cents?
Clean & Dull's instructions do say to use water and a paper towel to remove any residual C&D. It's one of the few to give such explicit instructions. DOn't be macho; RTFI and follow them.
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Post by: charlest on May 23, 2005, 07:11:52 PM
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how do you guys apply simple green to your stuff?
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I keep a 50/50 of SG & water in a 6 oz container. I squirt a little on a clean microfiber towel and rub it on 1/4 - 1/3 of the ball at a time. Wipe it off with a dry portion of towel. (When the container is empty, I'll probably start mixing the SG 50/50 with alcohol and see what that does.)
No insult intended, but -
"KISS"; this ain't rocket science.
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Edited on 5/23/2005 7:04 PM
Post by: stanski on May 23, 2005, 07:33:44 PM
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how do you guys apply simple green to your stuff?
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I keep a 50/50 of SG & water in a 6 oz container. I squirt a little on a clean microfiber towel and rub it on 1/4 - 1/3 of the ball at a time. Wipe it off with a dry portion of towel. (When the container is empty, I'll probably start mixing the SG 50/50 with alcohol and see what that does.)
No insult intended, but -
"KISS"; this ain't rocket science.
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Edited on 5/23/2005 7:04 PM
Charlest, the thing i like about mixing 50/50 alcohol and simple green is that it allows the simple green to evaporate/leave less of a residual effect on the coverstock. Its a great deep cleaner just with water, but the alcohol really allows it to evaporate nicely.
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Post by: bighook69 on May 23, 2005, 07:36:19 PM
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Post by: bighook69 on May 23, 2005, 07:51:13 PM
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Post by: legend4life95 on May 23, 2005, 09:08:29 PM
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Try cleaning with simple green, then clean with clean n dull. I would be quite surprised if anything more came out of the ball after simple green is used, i know i can't find a product to get more out after i use simple green.
Actually I have tried cleaning with simple green first, but when you follow with clean n dull on a spinner....it grabs alot more off. Simple Green has nothing on Clean N Dull!!! Period.
Edited on 5/23/2005 9:01 PM
Post by: Bjaardker on May 23, 2005, 10:21:35 PM
3-5 parts Simple Green
1 part Neo-Tac Hook-It
If you have serious dirt issues, mix it 3-1.
If you're using it for everyday cleaning mix it 5-1
at the 3-1 ratio you're paying about $11.00 for 32oz of the stuff.
Post by: azguy on May 24, 2005, 07:02:00 AM
I have, found my own, works great ...FOR ME...might not for you, but that's why they make Fords (yuck), Chevys, Dodge and all the others....choice.
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Post by: stanski on May 27, 2005, 12:35:22 AM
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Try cleaning with simple green, then clean with clean n dull. I would be quite surprised if anything more came out of the ball after simple green is used, i know i can't find a product to get more out after i use simple green.
Actually I have tried cleaning with simple green first, but when you follow with clean n dull on a spinner....it grabs alot more off. Simple Green has nothing on Clean N Dull!!! Period.
Edited on 5/23/2005 9:01 PM
This surprises me, as I have tried the same experiment and have not been able to get any product to grab any more oil or dirt out of the ball after I use my simple green mixture.
To each his own I suppose.
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Post by: Steven on May 27, 2005, 01:06:33 PM
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This surprises me, as I have tried the same experiment and have not been able to get any product to grab any more oil or dirt out of the ball after I use my simple green mixture.
Actually, C&D is not the only product that will suck more out than Simple Green and or F409. All of the following Neo-Tac products will do the same:
1) Khameleon Particle Sand High Tech Ball Restorer
2) Liquid Sandpaper
3) Hook-It
4) Renew-It
Admittedly, these are more specialized products and you won't use them after every set, but they do perform a more complete job than household degreasers. Too many experiments over the complete range of coverstocks have proved to me that this is consistently true.
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Post by: charlest on May 27, 2005, 06:28:53 PM
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Actually, C&D is not the only product that will suck more out than Simple Green and or F409. All of the following Neo-Tac products will do the same:
1) Khameleon Particle Sand High Tech Ball Restorer
2) Liquid Sandpaper
3) Hook-It
4) Renew-It
Admittedly, these are more specialized products and you won't use them after every set, but they do perform a more complete job than household degreasers. Too many experiments over the complete range of coverstocks have proved to me that this is consistently true.
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Steven,
2 items.
1. Someone always wants a non-bowling-specific cleaner. (Can't fight city hall.)
2.All those Neo-Tac products, except for Hook-It, change the surface. That is a bad thing. That also makes them NOT cleaners. And Hook-It still makes me worry a LOT - it smells and feels toxic. No, I don't know; I just stopped using it. I like Neo-Tac's Liquid Nitro. It smells and feels safer nd seems to do a decent job.
From the implications of some of your phrases, I am also kind of sick and tired of playing around and testing cleaning and finishing products. I'll probably be sticking to a set few from now on. More important things to worry about.
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Edited on 5/27/2005 6:20 PM
Post by: Steven on May 30, 2005, 01:02:38 PM
Now, the other stuff:quote:
All those Neo-Tac products, except for Hook-It, change the surface. That is a bad thing. That also makes them NOT cleaners.
The irony of this statement is that the act of bowling itself changes the surface more any hand applied abrasive. Even on well maintained and oiled lanes, 20-30 games will put your track area in an altered state that requires some attention. In the case of brickyards, a five game set will forever change the ball surface for the worse. So the issue isn't changing the surface -- it happens weather you want it or not. The real issue is how to clean and restore with as little ball surface trauma as possible.
Neo-Tac's Khameleon Particle Sand High Tech Ball Restorer alters the cover far less than one would assume. It removes all burned in marks and cleans during the process. As far as cleaning, I can't pick up any additional residue when following up with C&D. Anyway. after a session with Khameleon, buffing the ball with a towel surprisingly shines it back up to whatever it was previously. I have a six month old solid Uranium originally polished up once with Ebonite Matte Finish, and I haven't had to reapply even after 15-20 applications of Khameleon. The ball hasn't lost anything is appearance or reaction.
I agree with your assessment of Hook-It. C&D is simply a better and more versatile product. I now use C&D exclusively for all my pearl equipment.
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From the implications of some of your phrases, I am also kind of sick and tired of playing around and testing cleaning and finishing products. I'll probably be sticking to a set few from now on. More important things to worry about.
Amen. I'm scaling back too.
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Post by: Steven on May 30, 2005, 01:21:54 PM
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I find after using basically all the bowling ball cleaners out there(actually there some clean adn dull still in my bag) that the best thing is actually simple green adn water(50/50 mix) then after you mix it add some alcohol for evaporating purposes.
We're on the same page as far as Lane#1 equipment, but your above statement simply isn't true. Applying C&D properly will always pick up more crap on a dirty porous ball. Again, I've seen this too many times from too many experiments.....
Anyway consider giving Khameleon a try on your aggressive Lane#1 covers. You'll be pleased with the results.
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Post by: The SuperHitMan on May 30, 2005, 01:23:15 PM
detergent. And I found that it actually gets your ball back to the state
it was in before...it'd just be cleaner
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Post by: charlest on May 30, 2005, 03:03:16 PM
I just learned something that disturbed me more than a little bit about using SG on any balls of mine, from now on.
I got lazy and washed my car yesterday with one of those washes with wax on it. Everything went well until the sun came out and dried it too quickly. I found spots on the windows that window cleaner wouldn't get off. So I went to my Simple Green and Bounty towels, a great cleaning arsenal. Got the wax spots off the car quickly, with a little "elbow grease". HOWEVER, I noticed a residue that was almost greasy, left on the windows, even after much wiping with the Bounty. Now I had to take the window cleaner itself and clean the Simple Green off the windows.
Since SG leaves this greasy film on a non-porous surface like glass, I don't even like contemplating what might or might not happen to the pores of a resin bowling balls, when SG is used. While it's a great household and automotive degreaser and general cleaner, I think I'll stick, as I have said so very many times before, with cleaners made for the application in mind - bowling balls!.
FWIW I will also post this as a separate post.
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Edited on 5/30/2005 2:58 PM
Post by: nd300 on May 30, 2005, 03:19:24 PM
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Post by: Steven on May 30, 2005, 03:25:11 PM
For regular cleaning maintenance (by hand):
1) Liquid Nitro immediately after each set.
2) Clean N' Dull every 1-2 weeks.
For intermediate cover restoration (by hand):
Khameleon Particle Sand High Tech Ball Restorer when I start to see wear on my shells (polished or sanded). For pearls and high-gloss resins, I restore any lost shine with Renew-It.
For heavy cover changes (spinner):
The usual suspects -- sandpaper, scothbrite, Trizact, polishes, etc. However, what I'm finding is that with routine intermediate cover restoration, I'm using the spinner less frequently, which is fine because because it's a hassle for me to set it up and put it away.....
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Edited on 5/30/2005 3:23 PM
Post by: ebwkidvicious on June 25, 2005, 02:52:37 PM
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Post by: KristopherT84 on June 25, 2005, 03:02:53 PM
Post by: charlest on June 25, 2005, 03:06:14 PM
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Feel like an idiot here but I've never heard of Simple Green. Anybody want to enlighten me to what kind of cleaning product this is?
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