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LuckyLefty

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Offset Thumb drilling Gurus. OTHERS don't enter!
« on: January 23, 2008, 05:23:03 AM »
If you have this thought in your head "There is no such thing as an offset thumb"  PLEASE....don't post in this thread.  I know the arguments....all of them and just curious about the thoughts of the gurus who drill offset thumbs everyday and believe in them.

I also agree....."ANY set of pitches and span can be put in a ball....in a Tgrip!"

Was discussing offset thumbs with one of our local very good bowlers, certified brainiac, and well known engineer for top scientific company.

We were discussing the change in feel introduced by offset drillings....he noted to me....if you offset (right for me as a lefty) you should ADD left pitch to adjust for the change in feeling......

I got thinking about this..... Hmmmmm..??????

METHOD 1) Let's say I use 0,0.....if I offset the thumb the proper way by leaving drill press with the same setting....rotate the ball lets say 1/4 inch and then plunge it at my 0,0 setting.  Won't this ball hole be pointing directly at ball center(of course) and thus have the feel of being 1/4 left already!!....ie the hole is NOT parallel to the original T grip hole.  To make the hole parallel to the original T grip 0 pitch would I not rotate the ball and reset the pitches to 1/4 right, 0 f/r???  This would leave a parallel hole.

METHOD 2) Of course one can move the bit the 1/4 inch offset just by rotating it out and it will automatically end up at 1/4 right(out for this lefty), 0.  NOW the hole is parallel to my original T grip hole?  No?

KEY QUESTION ....Does one MAKE the hole parallel to keep the same feel or does one just drill the same pitch as in step 1 above and end up introducing lateral under palm pitch?

Offset thumb gurus ONLY!  PLEASE?

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS....I know by moving the hole left I have lengthened the ring finger and slightly shortened the middle!  Therefore I would tend to lower the ring finger First!  

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LuckyLefty

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Re: Offset Thumb drilling Gurus. OTHERS don't enter!
« Reply #46 on: February 01, 2008, 11:46:19 AM »
thank...you...I am a novice in absorbing these concepts compared to you by a long shot but I understand what we are trying to convey.

There is a dramatic difference in feel between, T grip, CLT, and Thumb offset drillings as though even as spans end up the same the orientation of pitches change.  

As stated above and correctly I might add.  The grip CAN be converted back to a Tgrip and measurements collected as far as pitches etc to enter into a Tgrip by why bother.  The true offset as mentioned above more naturally copies the shape of the hand.

As to the change in measurements...it is almost predictable and in fact is exactly predictable by the math specialist when applied to the orienation of the new ball layout lines.  I have as suggested by Joe A__ bowler and will provide those new numbers as they would be in a Tgrip from my experiment above.

OH....by the way....went and thru yesterday and it felt good and rolled good with this thumb offset (pitch adjusted thumb....setup).

REgards,

Luckylefty
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LuckyLefty

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Re: Offset Thumb drilling Gurus. OTHERS don't enter!
« Reply #47 on: February 01, 2008, 05:36:52 PM »
I know it is NOT Clt.

As to the Strickland/Brunswick offset.  Deadbait if you describe both methods or their difference I will be able to accurately tell you if I copied either exactly....or NONE!  I know EXACTLY the steps I took.

Is the stickland offset contained in his book?

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS Deadbait likes to pull my chain but at the same time has been very helpful to me in sending me helpful messages on different grip ideas and drilling concepts.  They really have been helpful and I am currently working on one of his grip ideas and was developing a long winded post on it.....as I saw this one.  Thanks....and I mean it!
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raiderh20boy

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Re: Offset Thumb drilling Gurus. OTHERS don't enter!
« Reply #48 on: February 01, 2008, 06:02:12 PM »
Completely in the dark with this Strickland/Brunswick offset. Is there any info on these methods ? How do you determine distance/pitches??
I guess I was a peeker and definitely NOT a guru gone 360 and back to 0 !!!!
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Re: Offset Thumb drilling Gurus. OTHERS don't enter!
« Reply #49 on: February 01, 2008, 10:35:46 PM »
it is apparent to me alot of people responding to this topic do not know what they are talking about and probably have not drilled alot of bowling balls.  If they were to throw a ball fit by a professional ball driller trained to use the tools of offsets and oval holes they would understand how much better it feels. The center line is just a reference it is not transferred it is simply used as a reference and you all keep talking about thumb offsets but there is also finger offsets.  Say what you want... but our customers know it works thats why our shop works predominately by appointment only and what pro shop can say they are that busy!!! It is all about the fit...OH we also know how to deal with the physics of a ball to achieve the reaction they are looking for...which is also part of making a ball FIT. It is all talk until you have access to someone that can do it for you so that you can feel it!!! There are not very many people that drill bowling balls that know how to use these concepts because the people that know how to use them don't give them away...it makes them who they are!!! learning what we know came at great expense, we are now reaping the rewards of what we have learned, as well as the people that are using our equipment!!! ------------------
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Borincano

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Re: Offset Thumb drilling Gurus. OTHERS don't enter!
« Reply #50 on: February 02, 2008, 09:21:24 AM »
Reading this topic makes me feel very unlucky. I have tried for years to have a driller to look into drilling me some kind of offset drilling but they do not want to know or tried to know about it. I see them take the measurements, put the t-grip and drill. Then I see the mangle fingers and thumbs of these bowlers. Not a pretty sight. I once got a used bowling ball and took it to the pro shop guy and ask him to do make two or three offset layouts on the ball and that I will pay him for each drilling. I have gone to 3 drillers and no luck. This topic is good because all wrist, hands, fingers and thumbs are not all the same and to become a good bowler you need a good driller to become one. Just like the different grips on a baseball bat, tennis racket, golf clubs, etc. A bowling ball should be like a glove on your hand. One day I will make a long trip and find a driller that will hear and it is interest that I be a fairly good bowler. Anybody knows a good driller that listens around Nashville, TN.
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LuckyLefty

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Re: Offset Thumb drilling Gurus. OTHERS don't enter!
« Reply #51 on: February 02, 2008, 09:41:03 AM »
Though I am a novice at this...I will make some pictures here soon and try to post...like the CLTs above.

This is EASY!

Of course there are different versions of THIS!!!!

I don't think it will be hard to do for you so that it is easy to understand.

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS I have messaged the very knowledgeable Deadbait for a definition of Strickland vs Brunswick offset.
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Re: Offset Thumb drilling Gurus. OTHERS don't enter!
« Reply #52 on: February 03, 2008, 09:14:26 PM »
LuckyLefty,
Have you or anyone else posting ever heard of Tim Wieczorek and his method called the "freestyle grip" ? If so, does anyone know anything about it ?
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