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xrayjay

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Bevel....
« on: January 10, 2015, 02:41:40 PM »
If the span and pitches are correct....

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Not enough bevel will_______________

Too much bevel will_________________

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Re: Bevel....
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2015, 02:49:26 PM »

Too much bevel will shorten the span.

Too little you can get rubbing at the base of the thumb.

Theoretically though if everything was just right and you release correctly, you wouldn't need any bevel.
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Re: Bevel....
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2015, 02:52:49 PM »
Good answer.  Recently I reduced my bevel quite a bit and I actually find it more comfortable as it creates a nice edge to hang onto.  If you round it too much, you have too much wiggle room at the top of the hole and it can put your whole hand out of position on the ball.  However, the rest of your fit has to be right, or you WILL rub and it WILL hurt.  Most of the time people who use a lot of bevel have a span that's too long or finger angles that are incorrect. 


Too much bevel will shorten the span.

Too little you can get rubbing at the base of the thumb.

Theoretically though if everything was just right and you release correctly, you wouldn't need any bevel.
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Re: Bevel....
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2015, 08:27:33 PM »

Too much bevel will shorten the span.

Too much bevel and it can feel like you have a shortened span because the proper support for your thumb is there. The top of your thumb could be closer, DEPENDING ON WHERE THE BEVEL IS ON THE THUMB HOLE. The lower part of your thumb will still be in the same position.

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Too little you can get rubbing at the base of the thumb.

Too little bevel and you may not get your thumb all the way into the hole. You MAY get rubbing, again, depending on where the bevel is on the thumb hole. It is not in the same place for every one.

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Theoretically though if everything was just right and you release correctly, you wouldn't need any bevel.

If everyone's thumb was exactly the same shape and all the bones, ligaments and tendons and webbing  (between thumb and index finger) were all the same size and in the same location, THEN no one would need any bevel.

Some people need more AND different beveling than others do. Some people fee more comfortable with different amounts of beveling. Not everyone is the same in needs, feeling, wants, desires and hand strength.
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Re: Bevel....
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2015, 12:53:07 PM »
I had my span shortened by 1/8 and I don't need much beveling. I normally use medium amount of bevel in the past.

It's crazy, the older I get the shorter my span gets....
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Re: Bevel....
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2015, 10:26:35 PM »
Too much bevel too much thumbbb gripping

0 to Too little bevel perfect.

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Re: Bevel....
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2015, 06:41:29 AM »
Too little side bevel and one will tend to hang on the side and pull the ball.

Too little front bevel will cause one to hang, go down the lane with the ball, or worse end up with front of thumb nerve damage.  The dreaded black line.

I am not an advocate of lots of bevel!  Just like oatmeal, not to hot, not to cold, just right.

The Mo Pinel bevel method provides that Goldilocks setup.

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Re: Bevel....
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2015, 09:13:33 AM »
Flat Ten.
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Re: Bevel....
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2015, 09:55:00 AM »
Bevel should NOT be confused with shaping the thumb dictates
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Re: Bevel....
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2015, 12:28:42 PM »
Too little side bevel and one will tend to hang on the side and pull the ball.

Too little front bevel will cause one to hang, go down the lane with the ball, or worse end up with front of thumb nerve damage.  The dreaded black line.

I am not an advocate of lots of bevel!  Just like oatmeal, not to hot, not to cold, just right.

The Mo Pinel bevel method provides that Goldilocks setup.

Regards,

Luckylefty

If you need side bevel to get out of a ball, I would check your lateral pitches.
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Re: Bevel....
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2015, 01:00:51 PM »
JW...

Expand on your thought...if you will...

Sounds good.

Regards,

Luckylefty
PS, My post above was not related to me.  It dealt with all bowlers who have asked me to help them get out cleanly and a method to achieve passed on to me by Mo Pinel.
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Re: Bevel....
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2015, 01:09:55 PM »
I'm right handed and I just know that I used to need a ton of bevel on the left side of my thumb hole (looking down on the grip) to get out of the ball.  I also needed a pretty loose thumb and even then I still couldn't release the ball cleanly.   It wasn't until I went farther right in my thumb lateral that I was able to get out of a thumb with barely any bevel and a snug fit.  Now my bevel is mainly for comfort and not for clearing the thumb.  Of course make sure your spans are correct first.  That is most important.
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Re: Bevel....
« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2015, 01:18:31 PM »
JW 73,

I understand your post.  I often mention for them to tell their driller to check the mentioned items.

Thanks,

Luckylefty
PS i could post a post by one of our very successful tournament bowlers out here where he talked about different sets of pitches for tournament and league play(same bowler).  But I am too lazy to look for it!I know to get out of both sets of equipment described above he would have to use different amounts of bevel to get them both to work.  The Mo Pinel bevel tips above would be perfect to get both sets of pitches to work.
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Re: Bevel....
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2015, 01:22:41 PM »
Bevel is merely a band aid for an improper angle
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Re: Bevel....
« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2015, 01:27:29 PM »
Bevel is merely a band aid for an improper angle

agreed.. and a band aid for extreme release inconsistencies
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