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General Category => Drilling & Layouts => Topic started by: xrayjay on January 10, 2015, 02:41:40 PM
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If the span and pitches are correct....
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Not enough bevel will_______________
Too much bevel will_________________
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Too much bevel will shorten the span.
Too little you can get rubbing at the base of the thumb.
Theoretically though if everything was just right and you release correctly, you wouldn't need any bevel.
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Good answer. Recently I reduced my bevel quite a bit and I actually find it more comfortable as it creates a nice edge to hang onto. If you round it too much, you have too much wiggle room at the top of the hole and it can put your whole hand out of position on the ball. However, the rest of your fit has to be right, or you WILL rub and it WILL hurt. Most of the time people who use a lot of bevel have a span that's too long or finger angles that are incorrect.
Too much bevel will shorten the span.
Too little you can get rubbing at the base of the thumb.
Theoretically though if everything was just right and you release correctly, you wouldn't need any bevel.
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Too much bevel will shorten the span.
Too much bevel and it can feel like you have a shortened span because the proper support for your thumb is there. The top of your thumb could be closer, DEPENDING ON WHERE THE BEVEL IS ON THE THUMB HOLE. The lower part of your thumb will still be in the same position.
Too little you can get rubbing at the base of the thumb.
Too little bevel and you may not get your thumb all the way into the hole. You MAY get rubbing, again, depending on where the bevel is on the thumb hole. It is not in the same place for every one.
Theoretically though if everything was just right and you release correctly, you wouldn't need any bevel.
If everyone's thumb was exactly the same shape and all the bones, ligaments and tendons and webbing (between thumb and index finger) were all the same size and in the same location, THEN no one would need any bevel.
Some people need more AND different beveling than others do. Some people fee more comfortable with different amounts of beveling. Not everyone is the same in needs, feeling, wants, desires and hand strength.
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I had my span shortened by 1/8 and I don't need much beveling. I normally use medium amount of bevel in the past.
It's crazy, the older I get the shorter my span gets....
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Too much bevel too much thumbbb gripping
0 to Too little bevel perfect.
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Too little side bevel and one will tend to hang on the side and pull the ball.
Too little front bevel will cause one to hang, go down the lane with the ball, or worse end up with front of thumb nerve damage. The dreaded black line.
I am not an advocate of lots of bevel! Just like oatmeal, not to hot, not to cold, just right.
The Mo Pinel bevel method provides that Goldilocks setup.
Regards,
Luckylefty
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Flat Ten.
Trip the 4.
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Bevel should NOT be confused with shaping the thumb dictates
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Too little side bevel and one will tend to hang on the side and pull the ball.
Too little front bevel will cause one to hang, go down the lane with the ball, or worse end up with front of thumb nerve damage. The dreaded black line.
I am not an advocate of lots of bevel! Just like oatmeal, not to hot, not to cold, just right.
The Mo Pinel bevel method provides that Goldilocks setup.
Regards,
Luckylefty
If you need side bevel to get out of a ball, I would check your lateral pitches.
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JW...
Expand on your thought...if you will...
Sounds good.
Regards,
Luckylefty
PS, My post above was not related to me. It dealt with all bowlers who have asked me to help them get out cleanly and a method to achieve passed on to me by Mo Pinel.
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I'm right handed and I just know that I used to need a ton of bevel on the left side of my thumb hole (looking down on the grip) to get out of the ball. I also needed a pretty loose thumb and even then I still couldn't release the ball cleanly. It wasn't until I went farther right in my thumb lateral that I was able to get out of a thumb with barely any bevel and a snug fit. Now my bevel is mainly for comfort and not for clearing the thumb. Of course make sure your spans are correct first. That is most important.
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JW 73,
I understand your post. I often mention for them to tell their driller to check the mentioned items.
Thanks,
Luckylefty
PS i could post a post by one of our very successful tournament bowlers out here where he talked about different sets of pitches for tournament and league play(same bowler). But I am too lazy to look for it!I know to get out of both sets of equipment described above he would have to use different amounts of bevel to get them both to work. The Mo Pinel bevel tips above would be perfect to get both sets of pitches to work.
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Bevel is merely a band aid for an improper angle
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Bevel is merely a band aid for an improper angle
agreed.. and a band aid for extreme release inconsistencies
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Bevel is merely a band aid for an improper angle
The more you talk, the more I want to have you fit me.
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Bevel is merely a band aid for an improper angle
The more you talk, the more I want to have you fit me.
I haven't had issue whatsoever since JustRico adjusted my grip several years ago. I recently had it shorted a bit after I returned from one year and a half lay off. One thing I'm really enjoying with my grip beside the timing of my release, is that, my hand isn't fatigue after bowling several games or squads in a day.
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"NO" bevel?
? All hands?
Luckylefty
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I've had no bevel in my fingers for about 13 years, but the thumb is a different story. I have a slug that's sharp, and I can use it, but there's a nerve or tendon or something that ends up hurting after bowling. So its close, but not perfect.
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"NO" Bevel?
All Hands?
Regards,
Luckylefty
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As much as I have great disdain in responding to any of your posts...
Bevel in accommodating gripping or squeezing is merely a band aid...if the gripping angles are correct and the wrist is supporting the bowling ball properly the need for bevel is strongly minimized but the two must interact correctly in accomplishing this
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I think it could happen with a proper fit and gravity fed swing. Can't squeeze and have no bevel.
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That tends to be more of a fallacy than fact as most believe they 'need' bevel to 'hold' onto
If the grip is correct there is no need to 'hold' onto
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before, I used medium to a lot of bevel. I have a bone anomaly located on the anterior proximal 1st metacarpal and that used to bother me that I developed a callous at the base of my thumb.
after adjustments to my grip and smoothing out the slug edge (little bevel), and no more issues and callous. real world baby lol......JustRico is right...... ;)
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If the wrist is supportive properly then gravity or otherwise bevel can be minimized
Grip and timing generally create the need for bevel other than what ray stated but he has even required minimal smoothing to accommodate his injury
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All I know is that JustRico and Gizmo823 been very helpful with my problems.
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Very interesting set of answers.
We have gone from no bevel needed if pitches are perfect in conjunction with the wrist supporting, to well maybe a little, but in conjunction with other elements mentioned. I agree bevel will reduce with a more perfect fit. I note some hands seem to require more bevel in the thumb based on the amount of skin between the thumb and the hand. Those with almost no fleshy area there seeming to require the more or most minimal amounts of bevel.
SO, the Mo Pinel bevel tips I mentioned are designed to help bowlers get out from the various setups they have exactly...Now with today's setup.! Impending somewhat refers to this. A sharp almost no bevel thumbhole gives him nerve damage. This is not unusual for many people who like to vary forward from the pitch tables. By applying the Mo Pinel ring finger test and noting the probable drag on the flat portion of the thumb he most likely will probably start to slowly relieve the painful sharp pressure point on the flat of his thumb by gently adding a "sufficient" amount of bevel.
Of course a master such as Just Rico could change all this by varying spans and "angles in the ball" Most probably leaving you/Impending
with the perfect no bevel setup and a proper dynamic fit.
Again, I reiterate I just add gentle amounts of bevel to balance removal of hanging in the ball with holding power(less bevel). Of course pitches obviously play strongly into this scenario.
Regards,
Luckylefty
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Again if you read what I wrote...I do not believe in bevel in facilitating a proper release...some do require a softer edge in regards to a nerve issue which is known as neuroma btw...
Do not spin my words or my philosophies...I do not waffle as many others do to merely keep themselves in the headlines...there is no one single way to deal with everyone as many wish to spin...we are individuals that in more cases than not are fit improperly and have had band aids applied to fix the uneducated...
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Let's talk about fitting an average bowler that generally doesn't have enough strength to hold a proper wrist angle or lacking enough strength in the fingers to support the ball. A lot of fit problems are because of the bowlers lack of strength or lack of coaching to know how to "hang on" or "release" in the proper manner. Put him in a "proper" fit as it's called here, with minimum bevel and he'll have a nightmare on his hands.
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Not if the person fitting them are also working with them on understanding the mechanics/dynamics of the fit and the approach...also this is why wrist supports are/were designed
Blaming miseducation (as well as the unwillingness of too many to not wish to properly learn) on this is not a strong defense...
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So...can I book a fitting in Reno next spring?
I've been fighting it/changing for 3 years... I don't feel like I'm any closer today than I was back then.