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TeeP Nade

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Boomer layout
« on: August 02, 2017, 05:37:55 PM »
I know what the boomer layout is. I'm going to be laying it out with a ball that has a long 5-6 in pin. How exactly do I lay it out? Is the pin just 2inches down from where my thumb would b, cg in center of palm? If that's the case, which is. More important, that pin is 2 in below my thumb, or that cg is in center of palm. Is there an ez way of laying it out like dual angle numbers to get the boomer? My pap is 4 13/16 over 1 1/8 up. Also, the ball I'm doing it on is a C300 impulse but don't try and tell me not to do it, I already have my mind set haha

 


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Re: Boomer layout
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2017, 06:03:03 PM »
Be careful with this layout or any and understand how it effects your track and flare
If you lay it out improperly it'll flare over or thru the grip
The proper way to us this layout is draw a line from the pap to a point below the thumb as to where the lower bowtie will be
If the pin is placed on this line, the track will flare around the thumb, counter clockwise and grip avoiding any of the gripping holes
Also pin distance will dictate flare
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Re: Boomer layout
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2017, 09:04:26 PM »
Ric, would that be pin distance from the opposite or "negative" Axis point?  The one 13.5" from your PAP?
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Re: Boomer layout
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2017, 09:07:50 PM »
I'm sorry yes...due to the pin being placed on the negative side of the track, the pin should be placed based on the NAP or negative axis point similar to PAP
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Re: Boomer layout
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2017, 09:24:08 PM »
I remember many years ago, there was a "Patrick Girard" layout with pin below thumb.
https://www.bowlingball.com/info/unique-layout-pin-under-thumb-in-track.html?

I put it on a Brunswick Goliath and really liked it (the ultimate hook /set).
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Re: Boomer layout
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2017, 09:25:12 PM »
Most don't realize by placing the pin on the negative side of the track and creating reverse or inverted flare, it slows the ball down differently down lane thus why the actual use of this layout was the Patrick Girard layout when he was on Brunswick staff abt 10 yrs ago
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Re: Boomer layout
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2017, 09:27:06 PM »
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Re: Boomer layout
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2017, 09:32:33 PM »
For me this layout stands the ball up very sharp early and rolls more forward downlane. You have to be accurate to benefit from this layout.

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Re: Boomer layout
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2017, 12:12:51 AM »
Not to be rude, but no1 really answered my question of how to lay it out/which is more important the 2inch away from thumb/or cg in center of palm, or is it supposed to be 2 inches away or is it like 2.5

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Re: Boomer layout
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2017, 03:27:37 AM »
Actually had an opportunity to talk with Boomershine. If I remember correctly, the pin goes on the negative axis point, the cg is placed in or around the center of the grip. You'll need a fairly long pin in order to avoid excessive thumb weight. 

Draw a line from the pin, through the cg, and mark a spot on that line 13 1/2 inches from the pin (mass bias). Turn the ball around, put the (mass bias) on your pap. With your specs the layout will look like a modified full roller layout. 


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Re: Boomer layout
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2017, 06:24:27 AM »
Not to beat a dead horse, but in ALL layouts, pin position is more important than cg.  For this particular layout, the CG just needs to be in an appropriate location so that the static weights are within limits.  Somewhere around the center of grip (usually within 1" - depending on starting top wt. is usually OK). 
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Re: Boomer layout
« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2017, 07:49:18 AM »
Not to be rude, but no1 really answered my question of how to lay it out/which is more important the 2inch away from thumb/or cg in center of palm, or is it supposed to be 2 inches away or is it like 2.5

Obviously you can't read
You cannot merely use generic references in layouts...if you do you generally don't get what you expect...this layout has NO specifics thus why I referenced the Patrick Girard layout which actually uses specifics in laying it out and gave you the coordinates
If you don't understand a layout and it's specifics, why are you believing you need it?
This Girard layout, which the REAL layout is a very condition specific layout that was used for high rev players on TOUR...I doubt you'll be seeing anything remotely close to that or your rev rate warrants it
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Re: Boomer layout
« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2017, 08:53:28 AM »
This all sounds like needless complication and/or a substitute for practice or improvement.  Like some have said, very specific layout for very specific circumstances.  If it's an experiment or trying it just to see what happens, cool, but I guess I don't feel any need to try crazy stuff unnecessarily. 
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Re: Boomer layout
« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2017, 09:02:43 AM »
Too many believe a magic layout can make up for or compensate for a lack in ability
When these layouts are used on tour it's to 'conquer' a condition not to fix a flaw in a players game
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