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General Category => Drilling & Layouts => Topic started by: TeeP Nade on August 02, 2017, 05:37:55 PM
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I know what the boomer layout is. I'm going to be laying it out with a ball that has a long 5-6 in pin. How exactly do I lay it out? Is the pin just 2inches down from where my thumb would b, cg in center of palm? If that's the case, which is. More important, that pin is 2 in below my thumb, or that cg is in center of palm. Is there an ez way of laying it out like dual angle numbers to get the boomer? My pap is 4 13/16 over 1 1/8 up. Also, the ball I'm doing it on is a C300 impulse but don't try and tell me not to do it, I already have my mind set haha
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https://www.bowlingball.com/BowlVersity/a-trio-of-way-out-layouts-january-2010-shop-talk-by-dennis-bergendorf?
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Be careful with this layout or any and understand how it effects your track and flare
If you lay it out improperly it'll flare over or thru the grip
The proper way to us this layout is draw a line from the pap to a point below the thumb as to where the lower bowtie will be
If the pin is placed on this line, the track will flare around the thumb, counter clockwise and grip avoiding any of the gripping holes
Also pin distance will dictate flare
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Ric, would that be pin distance from the opposite or "negative" Axis point? The one 13.5" from your PAP?
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I'm sorry yes...due to the pin being placed on the negative side of the track, the pin should be placed based on the NAP or negative axis point similar to PAP
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I remember many years ago, there was a "Patrick Girard" layout with pin below thumb.
https://www.bowlingball.com/info/unique-layout-pin-under-thumb-in-track.html?
I put it on a Brunswick Goliath and really liked it (the ultimate hook /set).
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Most don't realize by placing the pin on the negative side of the track and creating reverse or inverted flare, it slows the ball down differently down lane thus why the actual use of this layout was the Patrick Girard layout when he was on Brunswick staff abt 10 yrs ago
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For me this layout stands the ball up very sharp early and rolls more forward downlane. You have to be accurate to benefit from this layout.
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Not to be rude, but no1 really answered my question of how to lay it out/which is more important the 2inch away from thumb/or cg in center of palm, or is it supposed to be 2 inches away or is it like 2.5
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Actually had an opportunity to talk with Boomershine. If I remember correctly, the pin goes on the negative axis point, the cg is placed in or around the center of the grip. You'll need a fairly long pin in order to avoid excessive thumb weight.
Draw a line from the pin, through the cg, and mark a spot on that line 13 1/2 inches from the pin (mass bias). Turn the ball around, put the (mass bias) on your pap. With your specs the layout will look like a modified full roller layout.
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Not to beat a dead horse, but in ALL layouts, pin position is more important than cg. For this particular layout, the CG just needs to be in an appropriate location so that the static weights are within limits. Somewhere around the center of grip (usually within 1" - depending on starting top wt. is usually OK).
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Not to be rude, but no1 really answered my question of how to lay it out/which is more important the 2inch away from thumb/or cg in center of palm, or is it supposed to be 2 inches away or is it like 2.5
Obviously you can't read
You cannot merely use generic references in layouts...if you do you generally don't get what you expect...this layout has NO specifics thus why I referenced the Patrick Girard layout which actually uses specifics in laying it out and gave you the coordinates
If you don't understand a layout and it's specifics, why are you believing you need it?
This Girard layout, which the REAL layout is a very condition specific layout that was used for high rev players on TOUR...I doubt you'll be seeing anything remotely close to that or your rev rate warrants it
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This all sounds like needless complication and/or a substitute for practice or improvement. Like some have said, very specific layout for very specific circumstances. If it's an experiment or trying it just to see what happens, cool, but I guess I don't feel any need to try crazy stuff unnecessarily.
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Too many believe a magic layout can make up for or compensate for a lack in ability
When these layouts are used on tour it's to 'conquer' a condition not to fix a flaw in a players game
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Too many believe a magic layout can make up for or compensate for a lack in ability
When these layouts are used on tour it's to 'conquer' a condition not to fix a flaw in a players game
Im going to need you to stop making sense.
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My apologies
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Just be sure not to adjust the surface. Surface doesn't mean anything anyways.
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Manufacturers push (new) product and in many cases layouts as magic.
Everywhere we turn recently we see post or videos from manufacturers on pin up or pin down etc. I bought and drilled more then I should before learning how much things do not change from ball to ball or layout to layout.
For me now 95% of my stuff drilled stays with a 4.5"-5.25" pin to pap without a weight hole. 4% get the rico layout and 1% get a 2" pin to pap.
100% of my focus is on surface for the equipment I'm using or planning to use for any event. It's so much simpler when you get to that point.
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Manufacturers push (new) product and in many cases layouts as magic.
Everywhere we turn recently we see post or videos from manufacturers on pin up or pin down etc. I bought and drilled more then I should before learning how much things do not change from ball to ball or layout to layout.
For me now 95% of my stuff drilled stays with a 4.5"-5.25" pin to pap without a weight hole. 4% get the rico layout and 1% get a 2" pin to pap.
100% of my focus is on surface for the equipment I'm using or planning to use for any event. It's so much simpler when you get to that point.
While not everyone's pin placement should be the same, a reduction in the number of possible pin placement for each individual will go a long way towards reducing the confusion of the role layouts will possibly play in the number of variations of ball reactions.
The KISS principle reigns supreme. 2 variations will suit 99% of the better bowlers' pin placements, with a 3rd or 4th used between 5-10% of the time as playful possibilities.
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Hmmm if surface effects ball motion 70-75% then how much does the layout truly matter? And if the ball doesn't slow down correctly & properly that number is vastly diminished so I'd minimize any of the players I work to simple pin to pap distances that work with & compliment their rev rates and whether or not a weight hole as well similar with with mass bias positions...there is NO magic layout
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Manufacturers push (new) product and in many cases layouts as magic.
Everywhere we turn recently we see post or videos from manufacturers on pin up or pin down etc. I bought and drilled more then I should before learning how much things do not change from ball to ball or layout to layout.
For me now 95% of my stuff drilled stays with a 4.5"-5.25" pin to pap without a weight hole. 4% get the rico layout and 1% get a 2" pin to pap.
100% of my focus is on surface for the equipment I'm using or planning to use for any event. It's so much simpler when you get to that point.
While not everyone's pin placement should be the same, a reduction in the number of possible pin placement for each individual will go a long way towards reducing the confusion of the role layouts will possibly play in the number of variations of ball reactions.
The KISS principle reigns supreme. 2 variations will suit 99% of the better bowlers' pin placements, with a 3rd or 4th used between 5-10% of the time as playful possibilities.
Correct, those pin placements are for me and my style. It will vary based on bowler style, rev rate, and ball speed. Same for surface adjustments that maybe used. You fine tune to what works for you…… and be aware that it can change as you do.
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Manufacturers push (new) product and in many cases layouts as magic.
Everywhere we turn recently we see post or videos from manufacturers on pin up or pin down etc. I bought and drilled more then I should before learning how much things do not change from ball to ball or layout to layout.
For me now 95% of my stuff drilled stays with a 4.5"-5.25" pin to pap without a weight hole. 4% get the rico layout and 1% get a 2" pin to pap.
100% of my focus is on surface for the equipment I'm using or planning to use for any event. It's so much simpler when you get to that point.
While not everyone's pin placement should be the same, a reduction in the number of possible pin placement for each individual will go a long way towards reducing the confusion of the role layouts will possibly play in the number of variations of ball reactions.
The KISS principle reigns supreme. 2 variations will suit 99% of the better bowlers' pin placements, with a 3rd or 4th used between 5-10% of the time as playful possibilities.
Truth. Right now, and for a while, I've kept the pins at 5 inches, above and below the fingers, and changed Val angles if I wanted more poop. So Val angles between 30 to 40 or 65, and mb around 60-65. I've been thinking of drilling 2 honey badgers, one with my standard pin up layout, and another 70*4*20, which would be a specialty drilling. Would allow me to open up the lane more, where I can get trapped sometimes between people.
But yeah, KISS. your wallet will thank you for it.
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Absolutely, there is no magic layout. But, there are layouts that will not match up very well (Boomer) unless a person has the game and lane condition to warrant it.
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^^^^GREAT FRICKIN POST^^^^
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JustRico wins the internet... i almost choked on my soda reading this LMAO!!!!!!
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I just drilled up an Impulse with the boomer layout. This is the second ball I have drilled using the boomer. Its a great bail out option when everything else looks like crap. Smooth and controllable! When there is more friction than i care for and I am struggling to play inside then this is the ball i go to. I rarely start a match with it but find it more useful later on when there is more friction. I like to fire this one right at the pocket and blow the racks apart. Sometimes you need something a little different....... :)
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I just drilled up an Impulse with the boomer layout. This is the second ball I have drilled using the boomer. Its a great bail out option when everything else looks like crap. Smooth and controllable! When there is more friction than i care for and I am struggling to play inside then this is the ball i go to. I rarely start a match with it but find it more useful later on when there is more friction. I like to fire this one right at the pocket and blow the racks apart. Sometimes you need something a little different....... :)
i was literally about to type this exact same thing. found an xout long pin impulse for $40 so i was like y not boomer it. MY GOD do i love this ball on short/dry just from the few games i got on it already. bowled on wolf last night, where every1 else was throwing urethane, getting over/under reaction, i was able to get an easy read on the lanes. dosnt make up for operator error, but wow it definitely gives me a look i didnt have in my bag! what i like most about it, it's not "flippy" off the end of the pattern, and it doesn't pick up a crap ton in the mids either. just nice simple motion! i'll have to see moving forward if i like it as much as i do now, but first impression for me is A+!