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tdub36tjt

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side weight question
« on: November 14, 2007, 05:36:13 AM »
After getting numurous balls drilled by my former driller I recently realized that his ball drilling was holding me back to some degree. He drilled basically everything the exact same. If I asked him how I should get something drilled he would just put the same drilling on it as every other ball unless I specifically asked for a different drilling.

Well the last ball I got drilled by him was a gamebreaker, which I asked for a label drilling just because I wanted something different. So when he drilled it up for some reason he put zero side weight on it. Which it seems he did on everything he drilled for me.

Now my question. It seems like the gamebreaker goes too long, even on a medium pattern. I am wondering if I plug the side weight hole which apparently was put in for no reason, will this cause the ball to start up earlier? If so, how much? I just seem to leave corner pins from getting behind the head pin.

I have also condsidered going to 600 grit or something as well but I would rather be able to get more versitility out of it for medium oil and be able to go to 4000 or even add polish when needed rather than be stuck at 1000 grit or lower.

 

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Re: side weight question
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2007, 03:17:54 PM »
What is your definition of "label drilling"?

If it is the same as my idea of label leverage (cg in middle pin towards ring finger) you shouldn't have much if any side weight.

I would definitely try sanding the ball first, since there shouldnt be too much side weight in the ball to begin with. The problem with label leverage is that it is a fairly "calm" reacting drilling.
 If that sanding doesn't work, try putting the pin under your ring finger and swinging the cg out 45 degrees with a balance hole about 2.5 inches below your pap.
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tdub36tjt

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Re: side weight question
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2007, 05:47:48 AM »
I guess I will try adding a little surface to the ball then. I like that it is a tame drilling. That is actually what I wanted out of the ball but I just want it to check up like a foot earlier or so.

The thing i like with this drilling really kills any over/under issues. In the one house I bowl in this is my go to ball. It gives me more room due to it not wanting to be too jumpy off the dry but still getting a nice reaction through the oil. I just tend to get behind the head pin a fair amount with because it starts up a little late some nights.

Maybe I should take an abralon pad with me and add some surface during practice if it isn't checking up early enough. I just don't like sanding by hand, I feel like I might mess the ball up somehow.

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Re: side weight question
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2007, 05:51:11 AM »
Sorry I forgot to say that you were correct with the label leverage drilling that was put on the ball.

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Re: side weight question
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2007, 06:41:38 AM »
The biggest influence on ball reaction is going to be the finish of the surface.  If the ball isn't starting up early enough, adjust the cover.  At 1000 grit abralon or even 500 grit abralon, the ball definitely should move.  

Has your Proshop ever measured your axis point?  This is an essential piece of knowledge, since no two people throw the ball exactly alike (a label layout for you will/should react differently that a label layout for me).  If not, I would look into finding a new shop.  The pin position relative to your axis point (not your grip) is the second largest influence on ball reaction.  As a side note, static weights (side, finger/thumb, top/bottom) essentially have no effect on ball reaction (and if your shop operator is telling you that they do, you should look for a new shop).

So definitely try to adjust the surface first... if that still doesn't work out, your next best bet would be to try a little earlier/stronger layout.

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Re: side weight question
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2007, 10:27:57 AM »
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The biggest influence on ball reaction is going to be the finish of the surface.


SS -- I agree with this for a given ball.  However, the BIGGEST influence on ball reaction, other than the way the bowler throws it, is the ball choice, which determines coverstock and core design.  Some people don't think enough during ball selection, then try to manipulate layout and cover to offset poor ball choice.  --  JohnP

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Re: side weight question
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2007, 03:45:09 AM »
label leverage can easily be over under on many patterns.

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS it can often get down the lane too far.  Why a weight hole if cg near grip center(many weighholes do start the ball up earlier).
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Re: side weight question
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2007, 04:33:33 AM »
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The biggest influence on ball reaction is going to be the finish of the surface.


SS -- I agree with this for a given ball.  However, the BIGGEST influence on ball reaction, other than the way the bowler throws it, is the ball choice, which determines coverstock and core design.  Some people don't think enough during ball selection, then try to manipulate layout and cover to offset poor ball choice.  --  JohnP


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John,

It doesn't make any difference how many times you say it. People are still going to buy oil suckers and monster balls and try to force them to work on light oil and do other senseless things. Sigh ...

Buying a ball design to work on the condition on which you're bowling and for your "style" - completely unheard of in this macho, ego-driven environment.

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Re: side weight question
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2007, 07:41:34 AM »
Correct me if i am wrong but the gamebreaker is a medium oil ball. Everything I have evr read says it is. I am not trying to use this ball on heavy oil or on dry lanes. i am using it on medium oil with a more tame drilling to help combat over/under. I don't see what the problem with that is? I am not saying that it doesn't work either. I am averaging 218 with it in that house, I can just see that sometimes it starts up too late leaving a ten. I just think if I can get 2 or 3 more tens out a night my average would be significantly higher.

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Re: side weight question
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2007, 10:35:39 AM »
tdub36tjt -- Sorry, I wasn't commenting on your specific situation, but on Strapper's post.  I occasionally like to take the opportunity to emphasize the importance of ball selection.  Regarding your question about plugging the balance hole - how it will affect ball reaction depends on where it is located.  If it's in a postiton that increases flare, generally past the VAL 1 - 2", plugging it should make it start up a little earlier.  I hope your ball driller would plug it for you at no cost since you're not satisfied with the reaction, then if you don't like the results he can just put it back in again.  But the easiest thing would to do as you suggest and sand it to about 600 grit.  By the way, the Gamebreakers I have drilled have performed very well.  --  JohnP

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Re: side weight question
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2007, 10:59:12 AM »
Thanks John P. I didn't know if that was a referral to me or what. Its cool though. I might try to have it plugged see if it helps and if it doesn't like you said just drill it back out and mess with the surface a little more. Thanks for the help.