Post by: hamma on January 29, 2010, 10:24:54 AM
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Post by: hamma on January 29, 2010, 08:09:16 PM
Post by: shelley on January 29, 2010, 08:18:37 PM
There's also the wacky idea of changing the surface. As with every other ball out there, if it hooks too much out of box, make a surface change. There are a variety of polishes out there that will increase length and reduce backend.
SH
Post by: hamma on January 29, 2010, 08:37:12 PM
Post by: JohnP on January 29, 2010, 08:54:21 PM
1. Stand as far as you can to the left and use a plastic ball.
2. Open your shoulders so your body faces the ten pin, break your wrist back, spread your index finger as wide as you can, and roll the ball over until the weight is on your index finger.
3. Keep the weight on your index finger throughout the swing and concentrate on bringing the fingers straight up the back of the ball at release.
4. Figure out what target you have to use to hit the ten pin and then hit that target.
5. Don't worry if the ball thumps the thumb hole, that means you've thrown it right. -- JohnP
Post by: hamma on January 29, 2010, 09:10:58 PM
Post by: JohnP on January 30, 2010, 10:07:50 AM
Post by: johns811 on January 30, 2010, 10:12:36 AM
Post by: tdub36tjt on January 30, 2010, 12:24:31 PM
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Another trick is to remove the index finger and just use ring finger and thumb.
Post by: txbowler on January 30, 2010, 02:19:10 PM
Rumor was Columbia had developed a coverstock that would not hook and the test group got to bowl with it.
Would such a coverstock be useful?
Post by: BBU on January 30, 2010, 02:33:16 PM
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Post by: shelley on January 30, 2010, 03:08:15 PM
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That would be an illegal delivery. USBC rules specify that any hole not used for gripping is considered an X hole, and you're only allowed one. Delivering the ball using just your thumb would give you 2 X holes, making the ball illegal.
You're required to have at least 2 digits in the ball until it comes off your hand.
Clyde's right. It would not be an illegal delivery. You might make that argument if someone turned the ball so the finger holes were off to the side, but even there, I don't think you'd be able to find anyone to take any action against that bowler.
Another possibility is to put just one finger and the thumb in when shooting 10-pins. It is difficult to hit up on the ball that much when you've only got one finger doing the pulling.
SH
Post by: bighook69 on January 30, 2010, 03:09:10 PM
Post by: Aloarjr810 on January 30, 2010, 03:18:24 PM
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That would be an illegal delivery. USBC rules specify that any hole not used for gripping is considered an X hole, and you''''''''re only allowed one. Delivering the ball using just your thumb would give you 2 X holes, making the ball illegal.
You''''''''re required to have at least 2 digits in the ball until it comes off your hand.
USBC Chapter 7: Equipment
Specifications and Certifications
Do I have to use all gripping holes during the delivery of the ball?
If a thumb hole is not being used during a delivery and a weight/balance hole is present, a bowler
must demonstrate that all gripping holes can be used for gripping purposes simultaneously. The ball
must be within specification as the ball rests in the bowlers hand but all holes do not need to be used
for gripping purposes during a delivery.
On my first delivery, I don’t use my thumb hole, I also have a balance hole.
Is this acceptable?
Yes, a bowler must only be able to reasonably demonstrate that all gripping holes can be used for
gripping purposes simultaneously. As long as the ball is in specification as the ball rests in the
bowlers hand it is acceptable.
USBC Equipment Specifications
and
Certification Manual
Holes:
The following limitations shall govern the drilling of
holes in the ball:
1. Holes or indentations for gripping purposes shall not
exceed five (5) and shall be limited to one for each
finger and one for the thumb, all for the same hand.
The player is not required to use all the holes in any
specific delivery, but they must be able to demonstrate,
with the same hand, that each hole can be used
simultaneously for gripping purposes. Any hole that
cannot be reasonably shown to be used with a single
hand would be classified as a balance hole.
2. One hole for balance purposes not to exceed 1- 1/4
inches diameter. This hole may not exceed 1- ¼
inches at any point through the depth of the hole.
3. No more than one vent hole to each finger and/or
thumb hole not to exceed ¼ inch in diameter. USBC
considers a vent hole any non gripping hole that
intersects with a gripping hole at any depth. Any
hole intended for use as a balance hole that intersects
with a gripping hole will instantly be considered
a vent hole. This hole may not exceed ¼ inch
at any point throughout the depth of the hole.
4. One mill hole for inspection purposes not to exceed
5/8 inch in diameter and 1/8 inch in depth.
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Post by: jodyk24 on January 30, 2010, 03:31:51 PM
As others suggested there are several ways to kill a ball with different hand positions and keep the ball from hooking. You don''t want to help a plastic ball,just roll it over your mark.
jodyk24
Edited on 1/30/2010 4:41 PM
Post by: Strider on January 30, 2010, 03:52:29 PM
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Post by: charlest on January 30, 2010, 04:04:15 PM
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use an old urethane ball. My old Nitro wont hook..dam thing nearly backs up in oil LOL
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AMF has released a urethane ball called the Hype. So you might not have too search too far back for urethane.
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There is more to bowling than just knocking down pins.
The Hype is probably the hookingest urethane made today and it has a good deal of flare. It'll hook on medium oil. Its coverstock is like polishing granite! Heck, marble is easy to polish!
If you want a minimum hooking urethane, try a Visionary Ogre Urethane. It's the smallest hooking, shiniest, least flaring, highest RG urethane made today. You need lots of dry to make it hook at all.
The first best way to reduce the hook on a resin ball is to buy the least hooking ball. Then use a polish with a "slip agent" in it to increase length, reduce hook and reduce overall hook. Then drilling-wise, put the pin on your PAP or axis point.
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Post by: kidlost2000 on January 30, 2010, 04:41:05 PM
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Post by: BBU on January 30, 2010, 04:58:10 PM
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Post by: Juggernaut on January 30, 2010, 07:18:58 PM
To cut your hook as much as possible with equipment, find the lowest friction rating ball possible. Today, that is likely to be a "plastic" ball, like the ice storm you already have.
Have the ball finished to as high a grit finish as possible, then polish it to as shiny a surface as you can, using a polish that has a slip agent in it like a silicon or a wax.
Use a ball with a LOW topweight of 1oz. or less (if possible) to avoid needing an x-hole, then put the cg on your NAP (negative axis point).
You will end up with a shiny, slippery ball as possible with bottom and negative side weights to help keep the ball from reacting.
If you are hitting a spot that is just dead dry, you may not be able to PREVENT all hooking, but you can minimize it as much as possible.
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Post by: hamma on January 30, 2010, 08:36:43 PM
thanks all for the spirited feedback. i currently use the natural as a benchmark, fyi the hype is stronger than half my reactives. i have the ogre urethane at 4000 polished with val ufo, i use it as my spare ball, it breaks less than my plastic. guess i need to heed the advice and stop buying bowling balls and buy bowling lessons....
Post by: EboHammer4ever on January 30, 2010, 09:15:04 PM
give that a try...but you have to learn how to flatten ur release and kill the ball. Even the most expensive plastic ball will hook on toasted lanes if u use ur norm strike ball release.
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Post by: kidlost2000 on February 02, 2010, 12:52:04 AM
To flatten your hand out just take your thumb to the target. When you follow through make sure your thumb is coming straight up not over. Just practice a few shots with a full rack concentrating on your thumb and bringing it strait up.
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Post by: dizzyfugu on February 02, 2010, 06:10:55 AM
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Post by: shelley on February 02, 2010, 06:18:00 AM
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I love some of the responses to this question. This guy is hooking a blue dot and an ice storm on his tenpin shots, yet some of you still recommend urethane or highly polished reactives. C'mon fellas.
I agree. If you're hooking an Ice, then your problems will not be solved through the purchase of a new ball. A polish with a slip agent in it should 100% be the first thing to try.
Failing that, the unthinkable: Learn to throw it straight. It might mean practice to get good at it. Instead of $100 for a urethane ball that won't do what you want, $25 kicked to the local coach to learn the "magic release" will take care of this.
SH